Yeah sure, but thats like looking for excaptions.
Its like putting the platypus in a realistic NA zoo because the san diego zoo has one, so you could play it like that
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Its like putting the platypus in a realistic NA zoo because the san diego zoo has one, so you could play it like that
Very true, I’m just saying if we don’t get petting zoos and people still have the urge to make petting zoos or at least address them, there are work arounds, plus we do have a couple animals for petting zoos (Guinea pigs (prairie dog babies) llama, dromedary etc) so we’re not completely dead of petting zoo animals.
Of those couple petting zoo animals 1 is a stand in and the other 2 are not in petting zoos like at all.
So yeah we are completely dead of petting zoo animals
For petting zoos yeah but for children’s zoos we at least have the emu and the striped skunk, which I guess is a start.
I’m just saying by the end of support no one’s gonna be so mad they’ll never play the game again just cause there’s no petting zoo animals, or at-least I would think.
I’m all for petting zoo animals (even though I really only want 3 and that’s it) but I just don’t see them as an absolute dying need.
This goes for every single animal
They are absolutely needed for realism imo, but as i said you cant build a zoo with a realistic roster in PZ anyways. So i guess its no biggy to completely ignore another huge part of real zoos
It's very simple. Is it more important for a zoo to have wild animals that people rarely see or to have domestic animals? Or to put it more extreme, can a zoo be called a zoo if it has wild animals that are difficult to see in people's daily lives, or must it have domestic animals to be called a zoo?
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That's basically what I mean. I keep saying that I respect people who want to own livestock, after all everyone should be able to express what they want. But as a global game, I think it would be unwise to turn attention to domestic animals before some representative species are lacking in some regions (Asia, South America, the Polar Regions).
Dude, as far as I know, the reason why there are these "new plans" you mentioned is that among the new plans for Tierpark Berlin, the Himalayan Comprehensive Exhibition Area and the African Comprehensive Exhibition Area are the most important things now. The Himalayas have been completed, while Africa is still under construction, especially the renovation of the "Elephant House" has not yet been completed. I'd say these new "livestock" sections are just a side dish. The Himalayan-themed exhibition area featuring snow leopards, takin, white-lipped deer, and kiang is the "main course", and the "livestock exhibition area" with domestic yaks is just the side dish of this main course. The same is true in Africa. This is also what I expressed before. Is the purpose of a zoo to show people wild animals that are difficult to see in daily life, or is it some domestic animals?
I think the big thing that holds frontier back from doing domestics is that their whole motive for the game is to spread awareness about species that may be endangered and how we can learn more about them to save them or to just learn about animals we may not have heard of. For instance a lot of people didn’t know what a Nile Lechwe was when the Wetlands Pack came out, and now everyone welcomes it’s additions and I personally have went from not knowing at all this thing existed, to building for it in all my zoos and it being one of my fav ungulates.
In a Domestics pack, not only are the animals not really endangered when we’re talking about stuff like dwarf goats and highland cows, but they also don’t really have anything to learn about them. Everyone knows what a cow and goat are, so why would frontier bother making a pack based on animals that everyone already knows and wouldn’t care about. I know for builders we care about realism, but for frontier they care about 2 things, financials and spreading awareness of animals. One thing keeps them going while the other is why they’re doing it. So while I think a petting zoo Pack done right would be financially beneficial, I don’t see the learning opportunities for frontier to spread messages. Frontier usually spreads awareness about exotic animals that not a lot of people know or don’t know how endangered they are, I just dont see the learning part of a domestics pack from frontiers POV.
In a Domestics pack, not only are the animals not really endangered when we’re talking about stuff like dwarf goats and highland cows, but they also don’t really have anything to learn about them. Everyone knows what a cow and goat are, so why would frontier bother making a pack based on animals that everyone already knows and wouldn’t care about. I know for builders we care about realism, but for frontier they care about 2 things, financials and spreading awareness of animals. One thing keeps them going while the other is why they’re doing it. So while I think a petting zoo Pack done right would be financially beneficial, I don’t see the learning opportunities for frontier to spread messages. Frontier usually spreads awareness about exotic animals that not a lot of people know or don’t know how endangered they are, I just dont see the learning part of a domestics pack from frontiers POV.
Obviously the wild animals are what makes a zoo a zoo. But we already have like 170 of those and not even a handfull of domestics despite them being the majority of the top 15 most common zoo animals. So letting them have one pack seems fair to me
And zoos are often times the only place where people can see those domestics aswell.
When it comes to focusing on endangered animals you better say goodbye to the Highland pack, because every single one of the commonly talked about animals are least concern. Wolverine, baboon, markhor, pallas cat all have little to none conservational value. The only exception is the spec bear, and even it is "just" vulnerable.
Id even argue that alot of domestics have higher conservational value than alot of wild zoo animals since zoological facilites are often then only thing keeping those around. Kune kune pig is a prime example
Its more like the sauce the steak is fine without it but is much better with it. Ultimately domestics are important only for realism because they make up a majority of the top 15 animals in the EAZA and are essential to recreating smaller zoos. Alot of zoos have livestock sometimes because they are a cheap and easy way for a zoo to get animals but also because kids in major cities have zero exposure to farm animals so for them they may be just as unique as the wild animals. I do think the big struggle for frontier here is that they want to keep the conservation message and for the most part domestics dont fit but they are an essential part of zoos and zoo history as well as human cultural history.
how are you ranking them I cant find the option
found it its under the attitude top 10 heading on a side note googles auto translate is only good when it actually works
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Why the fixation on the meaning of a zoo? No one is saying domestics are required for a zoo to be called a zoo. A zoo is an educational facility with the purpose of showcasing the biodiversity of the animal kingdom with the goal of educating visitors about conservation practises. Whether domestics fit into that vision, it's up to the individual zoo.
Often urban zoos showcase domestics because farm animals are iconic as a culture and these visitors from generally urban areas do not have any exposure to these animals. Zoo's in rural areas however generally do not feature domestics because they are largely a part of rural life, I only need to step outside to see assorted domestic animals such as cattle and sheep. There is no need to educate rural visitors about the cultural impact of domestic animals.
For several years now, the European Association of Zoos and Aquariums (EAZA) has been recommending a move away from breeding domesticated animals in zoos. This recommendation is supported by the argument that zoos should focus on breeding endangered animal species. Farm animals, although attractive to the youngest visitors, are not endangered species. Especially since there are other establishments locally where such animals are presented.
Interesting idea!
If I have to suggest 1 theme, is the America's Dlc. A pack that can include North, South and Central American animals. Doesn't sound cool?
Some quotes from those sources:
''The educator can also bring animal items for the visitors to touch (such as horns or skins) or live animals (spiders, insects, domesticated animals)''
''Basic and applied research programmes in zoos or aquariums can embrace a remarkably large number of topics including: animal care, ageing, assisted reproduction, behaviour, bioinformatics, 11 bio-materials or ‘gene’ banking, biotechnology, contraception, database management, diet, disease, DNA analysis, domestication, environmental enrichment, husbandry, identification, life histories, low temperature biology (cryobiology), parasites, population analysis, reproduction, studbooks, human behaviour, visitor studies and wildlife crime''
''Ex situ conservation centres such as arboreta, aquariums, botanic gardens, seed banks, microbial collections, field gene banks, forest nurseries, propagation units, tissue and cell cultures, zoological gardens and museums can help conserve stocks of both wild and domesticated animals, plants, fungi and micro-organisms but are less able to maintain their populations. …''
Clearly, EAZA sees some value in domestic animals.
And I did not find this quote referred to before:
"ZOO facilities should focus on the protection of species at risk of extinction, and such species do not include, for example, farm animals."