Winter 2023 DLC Speculation

I hope we get the walrus so people can stop having this argument at this point šŸ’€
We don’t even need to get it we just need to have a winter pack without it then I’ll go back to wanting humid stuff in the spring 😁

But until then, my reign is not done.
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Yeah. You can even stretched it and also through the polar bear in that group of "sea" animals. I can totally imagine building a cold coastal section in a zoo with sea otters, seals and polar bears.

Was looking eveywhere for this one since "Cold Coastal Section" was mentioned. And then had to track the comment down.

This is from Leaf's Foxborough zoo from back in the day. I remember how much it inspired me to make something similar, and your comment brought back the idea.

Potential Sea Otter, Walrus, Wolverine...etc, inclusions would go a long way in helping fleshing out these kinds of areas
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Was looking eveywhere for this one since "Cold Coastal Section" was mentioned. And then had to track the comment down.

This is from Leaf's Foxborough zoo from back in the day. I remember how much it inspired me to make something similar, and your comment brought back the idea.

Potential Sea Otter, Walrus, Wolverine...etc, inclusions would go a long way in helping fleshing out these kinds of areas
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Yes! This was exactly what i had in mind when i refered to cold coastal section lol i've seen that map before and is really inspiring. I also would like to build something like that SO i Will welcome a Tundra pack for sure.
 
I don’t normally chime into these discussions but today I felt different and I’m glad we talk take a break from monkeys and birds in favor of reptiles, Mustelids and pinnipeds.
When it comes to otters, I wouldn’t mind an anniversary otter being NA or EU otter. I think sea otters are more of an aquarium creature than a zoo otter yet I think they would be the next otter for us as they differ from the normal otter and giant otters.
When it comes to pinnipeds I think we should get another eared and true seal. Therefore a fur seal and a walrus.
 
Do you want saltwater to have a higher running cost or more maintenance or something?
I think the main reason why we don't have options to choose water salinity is to remove an unnecessary step of micromanagement in habitat building. It's not a good idea to have a gameplay feature that could kill animals due to wrong salinity, a player who has no idea what salinity means is not going to know how to fix it.
I play in sandbox so i really don't care about this stuff but how would this be different from the temperature factor? Water cleansing? Or diseases? You do have to regulate these as well right?
I mean, it'd be the same as temperature and humidity. Another factor, but for habitat species. For sandbox, it wouldn't affect it, but it'd be another step for franchise/challenge mode
 
I think the main reason why we don't have options to choose water salinity is to remove an unnecessary step of micromanagement in habitat building. It's not a good idea to have a gameplay feature that could kill animals due to wrong salinity, a player who has no idea what salinity means is not going to know how to fix it.
There also isnt any animals in game that needs salt water right? Therefore its kinda pointless to include saltwater
 
There also isnt any animals in game that needs salt water right? Therefore its kinda pointless to include saltwater
Yeah it is kinda pointless, we don't really have any animal that actually requires saltwater to survive, the animals already mentioned like sea lions and penguins do perfectly fine in fresh water.
 
I mean, if y'all want realism, then having water salinity will add to that.

I had no idea about the health issues regarding some species, but I know that animals are adapted to particular types of water. It'd make sense to have it, and it wouldn't necessarily get in the way; I mean, we can even have a slider in the water filter that can change salinity
 
I play sandbox so the water salinity thing isn't something I've ever actually thought of. I imagine the reason it's not a thing is because there weren't any saltwater animals on release (bar the crocodile which is more of an edge case anyway) and they just never bothered to change it.
 
I mean, if y'all want realism, then having water salinity will add to that.
I don't. I'm more than happy to compromise realism for simplicity when it comes to gameplay mechanics. Most "realistic" features people suggest either aren't even that realistic (like natural egg-laying in habitats) or wouldn't add anything to the game except tedious waiting (like natural egg-laying in habitats). I'm just saying that it's misinformation to suggest animals naturally adapted to saltwater "do fine" in freshwater.
 
I can’t believe we’re talking about salt vs freshwater šŸ’€ does it make an impact on how you play the game by a lot? No not really. It’s so refined in the realism that this is basically the same as saying that the keeper should collect dung with a shovel and bucket instead of a vacuum. It doesn’t impact the game that much and I really don’t think this would show up in an update and people would say ā€œoh finally, I was so tired of using only freshwater.ā€ It doesn’t make a difference and the majority of the community and general players would not care about this.
 
I wanna say something. I think a game lasts as long as its community. When I went to the JWE forum, they were doom speaking that the Cretaceous DLC is either the last or 2nd to last DLC. They tend to be more doomers than we are here. Engagement doesn't seem very good like it does here.

Yeah, we doom talked a few times, but in general I think the community is more upbeat and positive about the future of the PlanZo experience. We know that support is limited, but we show a huge passion for the game and want to squeeze whatever we can outta it. We're constantly making speculation threads, wishlists, and overall working together to figure out what the game will get and what the game needs.

That is allšŸ™ƒ
yeah we doom talk but its always the next will be the last not we arent getting anymore. But even if we all have various ideas of when support is going to end we continue to speculate.
I don’t think they would do anything with the transportation vehicles cause they never have before, my strongest idea is the telescopes. Frontier gave us the domes, and the telescopes don’t require any animal animations, just one guest animation.
My biggest hope is for hotels or some kind of lodging would go well with the mountain theme.
Tbh that’s kinda how I feel about seals and penguins. The only zoo I know with them nearby is Roger Williams. They had a Harbor Seal (or was it a gray seal?) for a long time, until he was moved to another aquarium. Now they’re getting penguins in that habitat.

Franklin Park is also gonna completely redo their africa area and add a really cool African Penguin habitat.
penguins and seal to me are always a classic zoo animals and I feel they dont belong in aquarium for me aquarium equals animals that cannot go on land.
I’d much sooner take a freshwater turtle than a sea turtle. The Arrau Turtle is top of my list, with it getting an interspecies enrichment with the Dwarf Caiman. The Fly River Turtle and Alligator Snapping Turtle are close runners up for me. Freshwater turtles are much more ā€˜zoo animals’ in my eyes than the sea turtles.
(I’m of the same opinion when it comes to fish too)
For me the distinction between zoo and aquarium is does that animal require saltwater if so does can it move on land if yes its a zoo animal if no its an aquarium animal alot of zoos have at least one freshwater fish usually something simple like koi.
Oh dang, imagine we get a clone pack for winter🤣
  1. Slender snouted crocodile
  2. American black bear
  3. Sumatran tiger
  4. Mexican wolf
  5. Brazilian tapir
  6. Southern tamandua
  7. Masai giraffe
  8. Butterflies 2
    • Queen Alexandria's birdwing
    • Paper kite butterfly
    • Zebra longwing butterfly
    • Red admiral
    • Tailed jay
I unironically would love this 6/8 of those animals are on my wishlist.
Ok hear me out on this: What are y'alls thoughts on an African species of otter.

I know they aren't super common in zoos but I think it would be really fun for Congo or Gorilla centered exhibits. I think spotted necked otters are really cute and would be fun to create a mixed species habitat with the potential addition of an African monkey. And I know most want an otter from cold climate for variety's sake, but animals from the tropical otters are better imo šŸ˜‚
absolutely not there are so many otters that we need before an African one if Africa was desperate for diversity maybe but its not. It would just feel like the other 2 otters ingame and be apart of the currently most diverse continent as well as its not common in zoos and alot of people likley dont know africa even has otters.
But what would the purpose be? Do you want saltwater to have a higher running cost or more maintenance or something? Or just another switch to toggle once like temperatures in exhibits?
We can already change the color to match how we imagine saltwater would be.
The only way I would want this feature is if they gave us the ability to manipulate what filter affect what water I hate how a water heater will affect all water bodies in an area with no control. As for purpose it would be good for adding some complexity to multi animal exhibits and management variety as well as saltwater taking up more space money and effort to maintain.
I think the main reason why we don't have options to choose water salinity is to remove an unnecessary step of micromanagement in habitat building. It's not a good idea to have a gameplay feature that could kill animals due to wrong salinity, a player who has no idea what salinity means is not going to know how to fix it.
I can only really see it coming as a feature if they aquariums to the game also for most of the animals the difference between salt and fresh water wouldnt be life or death.
 
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