The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Han_Zen]

Only if you're living in Paradise- I think that lies in UK somewhere between Lancashire, Lincolnshire & the North Sea, & a bit further South than Scotland..see my signature:
"Jorkshire- God's own country"!!

Paradise was on earth in PL. Then paradise was moved, not earth. Earth and the geo-centric universe universe around it should still be the pendent world.

It's the same story as all the other myths. The gate is up. We just don't know where up is.

Most likely candidates are the celestial or orbital north pole of earth or the galactic north pole. There are of course south poles and other planets poles as well.
An alternative up is also along the Milky Way, like this:

Omphalos, Axis mundi, pendant, tree of life are probably the same thing. We just don't know where that is.

 

[Rochester]

Typo- Mars is a rouge planet! You mean "Rogue" planet! A rogue planet is not orbiting a star and should exist in its own instance...though might be found in a star system just not orbiting a barycentre. The orrery view should show it with a hyperbolic trajectory entering and leaving the system

MB confirmed possibility of Rogue Planets in-game when he said "Not all stars have planets, but then again not all planets have suns either"

All things Frontier Developments at E3 2014!

Think it might be "Paradiso Outpost", then an illegible (to me) line and "Independent Jurisdiction" on the line below. Your guess is as good as mine re the build no. It is indeed Paradiso Outpost - it's a deep space exploration support station. Michael

forums.frontier.co.uk

See my FDev quotes thread.

I don't know how we would find a system without a star...it would have extremely low mass and IIRC system names are based on system mass as well as sector location.

Ha yeah edited - early morning and no tea, thought I’d already edited but hadn’t. O7

 

[Rochester]

The system Ross 629 is mentioned in Brookes Legacy, it’s the only system bar one other that’s named in the book but not in game. I think this is intentional.

Any idea where this might be? Other than ‘where’s 628 and 280 relatively’?

 

[El Saico]

The system Ross 629 is mentioned in Brookes Legacy, it’s the only system bar one other that’s named in the book but not in game. I think this is intentional.

Any idea where this might be? Other than ‘where’s 628 and 280 relatively’?

SIMBAD's aliases are not helpful in the slightest:

However, EDGalaxyData (a great source of data dumps) has a table of renamed systems as part of their Body Mismatches analysis.
It illustrates some of the game's history nicely - Beagle Point, the Sirius exclave, Trappist-1, the Colonia bubble, the variable stars on the Orion Nebula getting named after scientists, the Witch Head exclave...

Although Ross 629 is not on the list, there are some instances of off-by-one corrections: V1577/V1576 Cygni, TX/TY Cancri, 39/40 Andromedae, 58/59 Ceti, 15/14 and 58/57 Geminorum, and my favorite: 2MASS J21541877+4712096 to 2MASS J21541877+4712097.
Not to mention the truncated names from EES2009 and the many DM99 duplicates.

Ross 628 is 150ly from Sol, so it might qualify.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Hiding Raxxla by making it an unnamed system (rather one who's name is suppressed in galmap) is a good hypothesis, though presumably it would still show in the nav panel to allow FSD jump to it. But how would Ross 629 match the clues we have? Is the system IRL in the region of the Empyrean (or Hell)?

Edit: Frank Elmore Ross catalogued variable stars and stars with high proper motion-perhaps Raxxla is moving after all?!

Frank Elmore Ross - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Edit2: I found a simbad page for Ross 629, it has other names & one of those might be used in ED. You could also check it's coordinates (e.g. Spansh body nearest system?)

Simbad - Object view

SIMBAD's App (PWA): The SIMBAD astronomical database provides basic data, cross-identifications, bibliography and measurements for astronomical objects outside the solar system.

simbad.cds.unistra.fr

 

[El Saico]

Hiding Raxxla by making it an unnamed system (rather one who's name is suppressed in galmap) is a good hypothesis, though presumably it would still show in the nav panel to allow FSD jump to it. But how would Ross 629 match the clues we have? Is the system IRL in the region of the Empyrean (or Hell)?

Edit: Frank Elmore Ross catagoued variable stars and stars with high proper motion-perhaps Raxxla is moving after all?!

Frank Elmore Ross - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Edit2: I found a simbad page for Ross 629, it has other names & one of those might be used in ED. You could also check it's coordinates (e.g. Spansh body nearest system?)

Simbad - Object view

SIMBAD's App (PWA): The SIMBAD astronomical database provides basic data, cross-identifications, bibliography and measurements for astronomical objects outside the solar system.

simbad.cds.unistra.fr

The only other of those catalogues that ED uses is 2MASS, and that alias doesn't match.

SIMBAD coordinates come from the PoV of our Earthly sky: the ICRS and galactic systems. They can be derived from the game's absolute 3D positions, which EDSM does in the summary page, but they're not trivially searchable.
We can, however, check for the off-by-one hypothesis right now:

	Right ascension	Declination	Longitude	Latitude
Ross 628 (SIMBAD)	11h 50m 07.845s	+4º 54' 26.590"	266.898	+63.405
Ross 629 (SIMBAD)	11h 54m 06.969s	+6º 28' 20.596"	266.944	+65.258
Ross 628 (EDSM)	11h 52m 40.914s	+4° 38' 10.468''	268.429	+63.501

And the answer is - no, the Ross 628 ingame is correctly labeled.
Any further searching will have to wait until work is over and I can access the bubble database on my desktop.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

I like @Rochester's idea of a hollow "planet", which would fit the Paradise Lost theme perfectly. Given MB's penchant for PL, and the effort he expended putting that theme into ED, and that the Brookes Tour ends with the "pendent world" quotation, I'm leaning towards that possibility. It could perhaps be a reskinned Coriolis, which could fit the game mechanics and explain the logo. I'm assuming the entrance port would be fairly small and somehow hidden-maybe at the bottom of a ravine?

Try these:

 

[Rochester]

But how would Ross 629 match the clues we have? Is the system IRL in the region of the Empyrean (or Hell)?

Well it might not, but I’m in the process of mapping the systems mentioned in the book, and it’s really to understand where these might be, because a few are separated by some distance and ‘might’ correlate to certain theories in a spacial relationship?

I’m going off the simplified assumption that Brookes literally tells us the ‘general’ area by the omitted system names, eg they aren’t in game, but he might be alluding to a specific area through his descriptions…

Maps to follow to back up this tin foil. It’s one of my oldest theories but I could not see the relevance until ‘potentially’ now.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

I like @Rochester's idea of a hollow "planet", which would fit the Paradise Lost theme perfectly. Given MB's penchant for PL, and the effort he expended putting that theme into ED, and that the Brookes Tour ends with the "pendent world" quotation, I'm leaning towards that possibility. It could perhaps be a reskinned Coriolis, which could fit the game mechanics and explain the logo. I'm assuming the entrance port would be fairly small and somehow hidden-maybe at the bottom of a ravine?

Apparently, Mercury is a contender on "hollow planet".

Mercury’s Strange Hollows - NASA Science

Enigmatic depressions on Mercury called "hollows" have puzzled scientists since the 1970s. Though none are as spooky as the Sleepy Hollow of Washington Irving’s legend, Mercury's hollows are just as mysterious, and seen nowhere else in the universe.

science.nasa.gov

 

[Pyroboros]

Technically I don’t believe objects can physically travel between systems, as we exist in game in instances, surely there is no actual interstellar space aspect in game, otherwise FD should have utilised it?

The Targoid Titans showed this is sort of posible. A former dev wrote in some TwitchChat that she worked on something similar in the past.

 

[Rochester]

Legacy potential clues?

With M Brookes book Elite Legacy a number of star systems are directly named, amongst those which are in game the following isn’t, the Beaumont system.

“Bring up the Beaumont insurrection from 3294” Hammer form Elite Legacy.

The Beaumont insurrection was noted as being in 3294, and that named system being far below Achenar, a populated system and a mining base in an asteroid belt ~500ls from a populated planet.

The name in French means beautiful mountain. I believe this is highly relevant.

Does this systems detailed description and its omission from game advocate a hidden relevance, or does it simply identify inconsistency?

If we look for ‘asteroid stations’ below Achenar, the closest fall within the Lost Realms zone for the ‘Avalon’ and ‘Lyonesse’ systems? Further down there likewise is a small pocket of penal colonies?

Note that the path of the Brookes Tours intersect this area, close too are various systems which have bodies named after Celtic mountains, and this particular alignment is in the lowest nook of these mountain systems, and further still, a system named Michel (French for Michael) and another system which is the Egyptian ‘guardian of the east gate’ is also in this area - is this intentional?

An omphalos rift may simply mean ‘mountain rift’ as the term was used to describe raised mounds, hills or mountains. This may have relevance given the Celtic belief system linked to liminal locations, in that such a rift or valley may actually relate to a passage to an Otherworld.

So is it, that rather than looking for a mountain we may be looking for a valley or someplace between mountains?

Animation below shows how Lyonesse nestles in the nook of the Mountains!

Likewise, there is another system named in Elite Legacy which might be of interest, its far above the action going on in Artemis: LP 98-132 and could potentially fall within the hypothetical zone between the Empyrean and the realm of Chaos, it likewise is underneath Sheela na gig and those systems linked to fortune, and relatively close to Styx!

The system in the book was unremarkable…

 

[Rochester]

The Targoid Titans showed this is sort of posible. A former dev wrote in some TwitchChat that she worked on something similar in the past.

I suspect that might be true, but we need evidence it’s correct, I came across similar data, but cannot confits reliability.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

“Bring up the Beaumont insurrection from 3294” Hammer form Elite Legacy.

The Beaumont insurrection was noted as being in 3294, and being far below Achenar, a populated system and a mining base in an asteroid belt ~500ls from a populated planet.

2nd reference to Beaumont in the book:

“The Beaumont system was a frontier world far below Achenar. No official reason or explanation was provided but Federal newsfeeds claimed that a bureaucratic oversight put a pirate clan captured during an Imperial Navy sweep of the area into the same mine where they’d been sent for hard labour. The mining base was positioned in a rich cluster in the asteroid belt around two AUs from the populated planet.”

Based on that description and assuming it was a local reference to a station: Beaumont Terminal | Kaukai. It's an Orbis starport.

Other possibilities sorted by distance from Achenar: https://www.edsm.net/en/search/stat...ortBy/distanceSol/type/1/type/2/type/3/type/4

 

[simulacrae]

Paradise was on earth in PL. Then paradise was moved, not earth. Earth and the geo-centric universe universe around it should still be the pendent world.

It's the same story as all the other myths. The gate is up. We just don't know where up is.

Most likely candidates are the celestial or orbital north pole of earth or the galactic north pole. There are of course south poles and other planets poles as well.
An alternative up is also along the Milky Way, like this:

Omphalos, Axis mundi, pendant, tree of life are probably the same thing. We just don't know where that is.

Honestly - if we are looking at an alien cosmology. The whole orientation might be different and not include earth.

However, I think there are references to the axis in the Thargoid Map Room - even possibly their symbol. Also i suspect the guardian beacons… if this is a shared cosmology -they might all point to the same place… and give meaning to the three inputs …

 

[Rochester]

2nd reference to Beaumont in the book:

“The Beaumont system was a frontier world far below Achenar. No official reason or explanation was provided but Federal newsfeeds claimed that a bureaucratic oversight put a pirate clan captured during an Imperial Navy sweep of the area into the same mine where they’d been sent for hard labour. The mining base was positioned in a rich cluster in the asteroid belt around two AUs from the populated planet.”

Based on that description and assuming it was a local reference to a station: Beaumont Terminal | Kaukai. It's an Orbis starport.

Other possibilities sorted by distance from Achenar: https://www.edsm.net/en/search/stat...ortBy/distanceSol/type/1/type/2/type/3/type/4

True, but none of them are technically ‘far below’ Achdnar? And in the book the system is named ‘Beaumont system’.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

True, but none of them are technically ‘far below’ Achdnar? And in the book the system is name ‘Beaumont system’.

Shibboleths. Your dealing with a local name.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Going to update the prediction that is as there are definite candidates in the region fitting "well below Achenar".

EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map

The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.

www.edsm.net

 

[Rochester]

Mmm I agree it’s a good candidate but spacially does it fit the physical description?

Image below: All systems with the word Beaumont in them are technically higher than Achdnar?

But… if you apply the in-game Greek compass…and shift the axis… but this is literally in the middle of nowhere?

Of course I’ve used this previously to map the path of Jacques, who travelled ‘south’ in alignment with Satans journey, some of these systems might be relatively close?

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

True, but none of them are technically ‘far below’ Achdnar? And in the book the system is named ‘Beaumont system’.

I suppose it depends on whose perspective. I do find it curious that the Feds knew of this system.

 

[Rochester]

In regards to Ross 629, which in the book is mysterious enough, it’s certainly not in game, but there are a number of similar named systems, numerically close in naming.

These seem to cover a certain area, albeit wide in certain sector. One might speculate the missing system ought to be in this general area, that is, if its intended, and not a discrepancy?