End the geno/xenocidal assault on a sentient species

As of posting this, Titan Thor has gone into meltdown a few minutes ago.

This now marks number 6 of the 8 Titans that have been ruthlessly destroyed by humanity for daring to try and defend themselves and their species from genocidal maniacs determined to rip the Thargoids apart and steal their technology and resources.

And before the usual tired arguments of "They attacked first!", "They never tried peace!", "They invaded our systems" etc. come rolling in, I would just gently remind people that Humans have always shot first in any historical interaction with the Thargoids.

1. The First Thargoid War was started when a human frontier colony expanded to a new planet and found Thargoid tech/development there, then attacked a ship that happened to come to the site. This eventually led to the development of the infamous Mycoid disease, a genocidal viral bioweapon designed to break down Thargoids and their technology at a cellular level. This weapon was developed by capturing Thargoids or pieces of their technology from crash sites, and subjecting them to torture while attempting to develop the most effective way to essentially melt them from the inside out.

2. After the FTW, the Thargoids retreated out of known space, not to be seen for hundreds of years, until their re-emergence in 3303 (Elite Dangerous). Prior to the re-emergence of 3303, humanity had expanded into areas still actively controlled by the Thargoids, now known as the Pleiades, Witch Head and Coalsack nebulae. As exploitation of the Pleiades sites increased, Thargoid craft began to emerge to investigate the invasion of their territory, where they were met with curiosity at first, then hostility as humanity attempted to scare the craft away so they could plunder the sites for their resources.

3. Now that the exploitation and abuse of the Pleiades sites was in full swing, the Thargoids responded by hyperdicting ships passing through their space, scanning them, then releasing them. The exception to this was if the craft was carrying thargoid technology or materials, in which case, the Thargoids would issue a audio-visual warning via a threat display, and offer the chance for their property to be returned. If the warning was ignored and the property not returned, only then would the Thargoids engage.


In every instance that the Thargoids have interacted with humanity, they have been passive until provoked. Humanity however has taken every chance to shoot at the Thargoids, or failing that, to study them to develop better ways to shoot them.
The Second Thargoid War and the Titans are just a response to a long series of human aggression against a species that never acted aggressively until pushed to it.


With all of the above in mind, I'm asking that the assaults against the Titans be ceased. AX pilot groups have already proven their bloodlust and desire to repeat the behaviour of early 20th century supremacy groups is powerful enough to corral the Titan's defensive fleets back into their origin system. This provides an opportunity to attempt contact, after the failure and sabotage of the Kingfisher outreach megaship.

I invite any Commander or diplomat from the major powers to give good reasoning behind why the assault against the Thargoids should be continued, without rehashing the same talking points which paint the Thargoids as aggressors, when humanity have always fired first.

Side note:
Think of this all as an in-universe post, I get that AX combat can be fun for those who enjoy shooting at the Thargoids that are capable of firing back, and I enjoy AX combat against the armed thargoids myself. But since when have the Pro-Xeno community been given anything at all?
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Sorry, backpedalling a bit, but i think it's important to highlight this is not actually true.

They have an aggressive reaction, compared to the other cargo reactions, but they do not shoot on sight when carrying Guardian cargo.

If you drop it, they will destroy the cargo, but leave you alone. Refer this video below, noting I'm not silent running out anything to avoid detection, and the hydra never goes red on scanner.

Source: https://youtu.be/ZoJRIEJI1dI?si=9SVt-Ohh1UkFw15Y


Just important to note because it at least shows the Thargoids want to destroy Guardian tech, but not you.
Highway robbery is what that is! Grand larceny? Probes... theirs, highly understandable they want it back. Guardian junk... legit salvage. Finders keepers. They get aggressive because we don't drop it? I-LLE-GAL! :)
 
Highway robbery is what that is! Grand larceny? Probes... theirs, highly understandable they want it back. Guardian junk... legit salvage. Finders keepers. They get aggressive because we don't drop it? I-LLE-GAL! :)
Well, it’s fine if you don’t bring it into Thargoid space for… reasons. One of those has been to build weapons with them.

I don’t exactly fault the Thargoids for not being particularly fine with humans carrying it around after that…
 
Just saying Kira... a little communication on their part would have gone a long way.
I can't say I disagree, but... yeah, we've kind of been asking for this treatment for a few years. Or if any communication has taken place the powers that be have their (shoddy) reasons to keep it hidden and buried under a giant layer of propaganda.
 
I don’t exactly fault the Thargoids for not being particularly fine with humans carrying it around after that…
Why just people? As far as I know, they treated the guards badly, even though they tried to negotiate with them.
So there are already two species with which the Thargoids could not come to terms, isn't that proof that they don't want to come to terms?
 
Why just people? As far as I know, they treated the guards badly, even though they tried to negotiate with them.
So there are already two species with which the Thargoids could not come to terms, isn't that proof that they don't want to come to terms?
Humans don't want to come to terms either. The war is very profitable for the military-industrial complex. As long as the elites make their coin and there is no existential threat...
 
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Inner monologue: "Stop stealing my ideas"
 
Humans don't want to come to terms either. The war is very profitable for the military-industrial complex. As long as the elites make their coin and there is no existential threat...
But as I understand it, the author of the thread makes people look bad and Thargoids look good.
 
As far as I know, they treated the guards badly, even though they tried to negotiate with them.
As has been said a few times already during the course of this discussion, and even more times in the years since the discovery of that Guardian log, it is not complete enough to say with certainty that the Thargoids cannot be reasoned with.

But if you need repeating, there are no details provided about what happened dueing those negotiations to make them fail, and without that information you cannot use it to make a judgement call. Neither on the Guardians, nor the Thargoids, but as history gets written by the victor… I am not so inclined to give the Guardians the benefit of a doubt.

But back to the point at hand, that basic statement on the negotiations failing without any further details why has been torn and twisted by the propaganda machine to a state of “The Thargoids are the obvious cause of the negotiations failing and it obviously couldn’t possibly be the other alien species that is a lot closer to humans than a Thargoid could ever hope to be, so negotiating with them is always doomed to fail”… even though that is absolutely not something you can take away from it.
 
Sorry, backpedalling a bit, but i think it's important to highlight this is not actually true.

They have an aggressive reaction, compared to the other cargo reactions, but they do not shoot on sight when carrying Guardian cargo.

If you drop it, they will destroy the cargo, but leave you alone. Refer this video below, noting I'm not silent running out anything to avoid detection, and the hydra never goes red on scanner.

Source: https://youtu.be/ZoJRIEJI1dI?si=9SVt-Ohh1UkFw15Y


Just important to note because it at least shows the Thargoids want to destroy Guardian tech, but not you.
Thank you so much for the video! That makes a lot more sense, but yikes, that really shows how easy it is for misinformation to spread on this. I've been talking about this stuff for years and never questioned it because it's what everyone was saying. Makes my arguments a bit cleaner now, at least.
 
But as I understand it, the author of the thread makes people look bad and Thargoids look good.
People look bad regardless of statements or arguments brought up here by whomever. Thargoids on the other hand can not be judged in any way by us, not bad or good. Their whole concept of existence, life, society etc is so alien to us that we simply can not compare. Obvious is that human behaviour under TODAYS judgement / standards was and is not very moral or good or "human" however you call it.
 
Why just people? As far as I know, they treated the guards badly, even though they tried to negotiate with them.
So there are already two species with which the Thargoids could not come to terms, isn't that proof that they don't want to come to terms?
I actually completely forgot about the Codex entry while discussing this earlier, which provides another interpretation of the events that further highlights how vague it all is. "The Guardian's were unable to convince the Thargoids that they bore them no ill will". That implies that had the Guardians been able to convince the Thargoids they were peaceful, there could have been peace. So why couldn't they do that? We don't know.

One detail that gets repeated is that the Guardians made a partial retreat. That's a really weird thing to specify when the rest of the logs are so light on details. We know the war was territorial, same as ours. So I think the reason the Guardians were unable to convince the Thargoids they bore no ill will, was that the Guardians were unwilling to give up all Thargoid territory. The Thargoids, being territorial, don't accept that and decide to try and reclaim it all. I don't think that's so unlikely, we would act the same if the Thargoids called us up now and were like "yeah, you can have peace, but we want 20% of the bubble. Deal?"
 
I actually completely forgot about the Codex entry while discussing this earlier, which provides another interpretation of the events that further highlights how vague it all is. "The Guardian's were unable to convince the Thargoids that they bore them no ill will". That implies that had the Guardians been able to convince the Thargoids they were peaceful, there could have been peace. So why couldn't they do that? We don't know.

One detail that gets repeated is that the Guardians made a partial retreat. That's a really weird thing to specify when the rest of the logs are so light on details. We know the war was territorial, same as ours. So I think the reason the Guardians were unable to convince the Thargoids they bore no ill will, was that the Guardians were unwilling to give up all Thargoid territory. The Thargoids, being territorial, don't accept that and decide to try and reclaim it all. I don't think that's so unlikely, we would act the same if the Thargoids called us up now and were like "yeah, you can have peace, but we want 20% of the bubble. Deal?"
It's not about what they said and couldn't agree on. Not talking at all doesn't change the point.
One species was at war with the Thargoids.
The other species (us) is at war with the Thargoids.
Isn't that enough for you? You need a third species to also fight the Thargoids and only then you will admit that the Thargoids are evil? Or do you need five more?
 
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