Is it fatal?
In all seriousness, it stands for Lifetime Expansion Pass, which was something Fdev sold early on in the games life that allowed access to all future DLC and Beta tests, so Horizons and Odyssey at this point.
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She's a beauty! (New ship revealed--Mandalay)
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In all seriousness, it stands for Lifetime Expansion Pass, which was something Fdev sold early on in the games life that allowed access to all future DLC and Beta tests, so Horizons and Odyssey at this point.
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LEP is the "Lifetime Expansion Pass" which could be purchased at various times between the Kickstarter and the release of the Horizons expansion, and gives you all "expansions" for free for the lifetime of the game, including access to their Alpha/Beta tests and pre-order bonuses. So far there have been two things counting as expansions - Horizons and Odyssey.
I don't think releasing the new ships via the Arx store rather than as an "ED Ships 2024" expansion was specifically intended to make them "not count as an expansion" [1] - the number of LEPs sold was never large enough to matter financially in that respect - but it has been a consequence of it which of course hasn't been entirely popular. (LEP holders, as any other Odyssey owner, do get access after the Arx-exclusive period ends)
[1] Most likely I think the reason for doing it that way was to avoid having to pay Steam 30% of the price on what they always expected to be a relatively small number of actual purchases.
The thrusters ruin the whole look. All Zorgon-Peterson ships have beautiful thrusters, even on the Lightning jet that this positioning of thrusters is based on - they're covered. Not on the Mandalay, here they look like an afterthought.
So they were given access to a Beta test server, which are included in LEP, even if FDev doesn't want to call them that.
Edit: And the person went on to talk technicalities, while also being disrespectful.
P2W is a term where you pay for any advantage, it's not about "winning".
Hyperfixating on the word "win" makes your argument nonexistent, because you don't know the basic meaning of the term.
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No, they weren't, sorry and all that, but the server was for marketing only, not beta testing.
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MooPoo... P2W has been used to define anything the particular individual considers falls under its rather broad remit... but it is a source of amusement.
I don't recall howls of P2W when midnight black PJs were introduced before the advent of NV in all ships...
ETA: And in those days cosmetics were bought with real money, not in-game currency which could be earned by just playing...
gosh... really?
Sorry, do continue with your own hyperfixating...
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Normally I would agree with you when it comes to ten year old information, but I was talking about what David Braben said about the development of the ships which have not changed internally since they first came out, so yes, it is still relevant even though it's what was said ten years ago.
Now, if I had said something like "but but but they said ten years ago we'd get ship interiors ..." then yes, it's right to tell me that was old information. But mentioning how the ships we still have now were developed? That's still valid ... in my (obviously wrong) opinion (to some/most people).
It's much more than that.
Ole British Empire, far away places, exotic long journeys... very fitting for an exploration ship.
Every educated person from Cambridge knows what the word "Mandalay" evokes
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mine will be called "Rudyard Kipling".
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By definition P2W has technically been around since RPG expansions were a thing in the 90's, and if one were to be really, really stupid about it, since games started being sold. Most people who have an issue with the term (myself included) because of the negative implication when it's used in a weaponised fashion to unilaterally mean "bad", "anti-consumer", "abusive" or any other negative argument people want to come up with for not wanting to pay for things. Most of us accept that there's a sliding scale of P2W practices which extend from "mostly accepted" to "aww hell nah". Where certain practices fall in that scale is down to the individual to decide.
Ok... so LEP... are the people, who belive in kickstarter stories as some kind of agreement? Do we need mentioned Star Citizen? Maybe not
And to me more serious... I spend more on the game than LEPs... and I am not even a hardcore player, to be interested kickstarters procutions and unfinished technological demos like St.... no, wait.
You know what I mean.
Almost everything has more than one definition. Anyway, most of them for P2W are about "clrearly superrior advantage". For me rebuy isn't that important, but of course, the point of view depends of point where are you sitting.
And to me more serious... I spend more on the game than LEPs... and I am not even a hardcore player, to be interested kickstarters procutions and unfinished technological demos like St.... no, wait.
You know what I mean.
Almost everything has more than one definition. Anyway, most of them for P2W are about "clrearly superrior advantage". For me rebuy isn't that important, but of course, the point of view depends of point where are you sitting.
Ah, you mean they are prepared for interiors? Interesting, but they doesn't look like that for me. Maybe some cases... Of course they are big enoigh for that, but that's all.
And I realized... the ships are the same for 10 years... WOW, these guys are really great at the job!
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That'll work when you need to land and make sure you're not going to have any biologicals block anything
Only some. I feel I got quite the value for the money already.
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Krait - better
Any of the T ships - Better
Asp Explorer - Far better
Just because none of the current ones have a good view doesn't mean no future ones can. The first dedicated exploration ship in over 9 years should have really addressed this.
I've long hoped for a bubble style cockpit for exploration. Or you could have a cockpit that extends out like
But it's academic. It's not going to change now.
That'll work when you need to land and make sure you're not going to have any biologicals block anything
I really would like to see a video how you use ship with 'better view' in your opinion (probably phantom, or aspx, dbx?), because I can't imagine how it really is so important, if you see just a litte more on the left and right side of your legs.
For ten years its been in my brain and thats not bad for my 200 back in the KS days....
By the way, a denser atmosphere will give grounds for introducing seas and oceans to the planet.
Well, is there anything "pro-consumer" in having to buy fake currency in inconvenient packs to get access to a ship that's arbitrarily delayed?
As I've said before, as a LEP I would've been fine buying a new DLC with the ships attached to it (without the whole infinitely respawnable, no rebuy cost stuff), just like I was fine buying cosmetics before FDev introduced ARX.
I use the term defined in the Cambridge dictionary, it's the most credible source there is before a legal definition. And the only legal definition unfortunately concerns lootboxes, not direct purchases.
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Just a picture I grabbed off the internet because I'm not near my Asp at the moment.
It's not a little more
You can see completely to both sides too.Perceived value, isn't it?
I bought ED (& NMS / SC on the same day) for £20 or thereabouts, bought the Beta for EDO (£40?) and several other copies of ED/O over the years.
Spend around £50 a year on cosmetics over the accounts
So probably 'invested' as much as the average KS / LEP holder (more possibly) and have no expectations of what the game 'should' deliver.
I do wonder if I'm better off than those early backers, I'm happy with the direction the game has gone since 2017!
Just a picture I grabbed off the internet because I'm not near my Asp at the moment.
It's not a little more
Ok, and I can see what is in the 50% of the view in the middle....but I know... if you put nose of the ship down on 45 precent degree you will see twice more than that....