It's been over 10 years. Just spoil it already.
nah but seriously , i just watched it at 2/100 and it just looks like a STAR ( sun beams ) to me. /shrug
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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nah but seriously , i just watched it at 2/100 and it just looks like a STAR ( sun beams ) to me. /shrug
If you've got this already done then why don't you share?
For anyone watching along at home: This is the logo rotated 90 degrees per frame, equating to 4 frames at either 3 or 4/100th of a second, which is approx 30fps:
For reference, that's removing frames as Mach 10 wanted, but it's functionally the same thing, just worse.
It's just as nonsensical as all the others.
I see arrows pointing outward as if a radio signal source was emitting in every direction from a place situated between stars, a sound obfuscated with voices inside and rumours. A sound that may have a different shape the closer/farther you get from the source, and a message to recompose.
Yes, I saw the same.. those arrows are quite intriguing. Very much resembles looking directly down the spiral of a non-sequence star.
Using someone else's gif isn't as useful as seeing and adjusting. Try '3D Gif Maker' for free in your browser to play with the speed and frames and use the green/black flattened Raxxla logo. By changing the frames you can animate different parts of the logo (2 90 degree frames example)
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i literally just said that a few posts ago--> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10435212 ... did i not?
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and, what?
And so perhaps there's something to your theory. Could lead to....somewhere. o7
i just thought it was odd how you seemed to gloss over my post and then stated the same thing i already had said lol . But hey, such is the interwebs i suppose.
I only got one thing from it...a headache lol I can see what you mean regarding when images are spun they can create different images, I am however confused how this would be a clue to use in game
I can see what you mean regarding when images are spun they can create different images, I am however confused how this would be a clue to use in gameI think its just the first crack in what was a mystery with nowhere to start. I think this is the intended first step. Why?
- In some versions of the Raxxla story, which were later shown to have a striking resemblance to the children's story "Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars"
- The Dark Wheel toast. Where they found it or not, their toast makes some sense now.
- To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies! > Neutron Star / White Dwarf
- To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void! > non-sequence jet-cone
So ive still been playing with Holdstock and his general mythic geography. He identifies the heart of Ryhope Wood (which is essentially Raxxla for us) as Huxley here:
"I used the name Huxley for the scientist who has discovered the primordial and mythogenetic nature of Ryhope (Mythago) Wood quite deliberately. His journal, an account of the mysteries and wonders that he discovers when he finally succeeds in entering the ‘heartwood’, reflects in its way the sort of thesis I’d always longed to write; but I had become too entranced by fiction ever to apply my mind to the serious task of science."
He is using two of them... The first is obvious as Holdstock had a MSc in Medical Zoology: Thomas Huxley... described as Darwins Bulldog. He joined the voyage of the HMS Rattlesnake and explored the world... (Im thinking Augustus Brenquith)... I feel the need to mention that the Rattlesnake passed by Point Nemo on its journey. The other Huxley would be Aldous Huxley - Thomas' grandson. Aldous Huxley has written quite alot but probably the most pertinent for us would be The Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell. Remember that painting the Winking Cat stole.... Self Portrait with Two Circles.... the space inbetween. "There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception". I supspect alot of Onionhead and a few shiny trinkets of Fortune would help...
In Heaven and Hell you can see alot of where Holdstock got his ideas about utopias etc...
I suspect they make up the the two rivers of Science and Imagination that come together to form Holdstock's Mythegos. By the way a Mythe is where two rivers come together.
Wouldn't be surprised if there is a little Robert Graves mixed into the imagination side as well....
Im off to do some exploring
"I used the name Huxley for the scientist who has discovered the primordial and mythogenetic nature of Ryhope (Mythago) Wood quite deliberately. His journal, an account of the mysteries and wonders that he discovers when he finally succeeds in entering the ‘heartwood’, reflects in its way the sort of thesis I’d always longed to write; but I had become too entranced by fiction ever to apply my mind to the serious task of science."
He is using two of them... The first is obvious as Holdstock had a MSc in Medical Zoology: Thomas Huxley... described as Darwins Bulldog. He joined the voyage of the HMS Rattlesnake and explored the world... (Im thinking Augustus Brenquith)... I feel the need to mention that the Rattlesnake passed by Point Nemo on its journey. The other Huxley would be Aldous Huxley - Thomas' grandson. Aldous Huxley has written quite alot but probably the most pertinent for us would be The Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell. Remember that painting the Winking Cat stole.... Self Portrait with Two Circles.... the space inbetween. "There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception". I supspect alot of Onionhead and a few shiny trinkets of Fortune would help...
In Heaven and Hell you can see alot of where Holdstock got his ideas about utopias etc...
I suspect they make up the the two rivers of Science and Imagination that come together to form Holdstock's Mythegos. By the way a Mythe is where two rivers come together.
Wouldn't be surprised if there is a little Robert Graves mixed into the imagination side as well....
Im off to do some exploring
Made some more progress, I think the third sentence in the dark wheel toast that describes how they intended to find it. Seems like a doozy, as each failed attempt will result in the destruction of your ship. It matches with the grief and woe and takes a test of courage and skill. Hope you all have rebuys.
I'm good...
Just a followup on the Starter systems
Ya im using river analogies...
I believe the systems we start in are related to Holdstocks concepts - the starter systems from Elite / Elite 2 / FFE were related Holdstocks ideas about the otherworld - lets call it his Imagination River.
I think the starter systems in Elite are based off of the Science River....
So ya we may start out coming from different streams of thought but end up in the same place.... ?
Yes there is definitely a story arc path to the Quest for Raxxla and it is tied up in Holdstock Lore
Does that mean there is nothing in game - no, there looks to be way too much put into this for that to be the case. I suspect the "Science" path is supposed to be the sciencing you way through the in-games puzzles path...
Ya im using river analogies...
I believe the systems we start in are related to Holdstocks concepts - the starter systems from Elite / Elite 2 / FFE were related Holdstocks ideas about the otherworld - lets call it his Imagination River.
I think the starter systems in Elite are based off of the Science River....
VERSION | SYSTEM | PLANET | STATION | THOUGHTS |
ELITE /FE | LAVE | LAVE | LAVE STATION | Holdstocks inclusion of ‘lave’ in his idea of a mystical otherworld Lavondyss |
FE | ROSS 154 | MERLIN | SIROCCO STARPORT | sirocco being a mediterranean wind - related to the planet Kamelos (Timewinds) - oh by the way Kamelos is referring to both the "Eye of the Needle" as well as the fact that it is actually Kamilos - cable or rope.... think Golden Chain – Merlin is the moon of Kamelos and ofcourse the wizard that Holdstock uses in his Keltica series... |
FE | SOL | MARS | OLYMPUS VILLAGE | Mount Olympus central mountain of the world |
FFE | GATEWAY | HOPE | OLD BLACKELK | Black Elk was an Oglala Lakota medicine man who experienced visons”Black Elk describes being taken to the center of the Earth, and to the central mountain of the world”. He also was present at the battle of Little Bighorn and Wounded Knee – as well as being involved with the Ghost Dance. Holdstock brought in the Idea of Trickster into his myths in the book The Hollowing. |
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ED ORIGINAL START | LHS3447 | LHS 3447 A5 | TREVITHICK DOCK | Trevithick was an early pioneer in steam engines and steam powered Trains. |
ED | ASELLUS PRIMUS | ASELLUS 3 | BEAGLE 2 | Beagle 2 was a failed British Martian Exploration Robot. Asellus Primus Description: An independent corporate-run binary system, with a central white F7V star and, further out, a captured planet-less M3V red dwarf. The capture event millions of years earlier doubtless stripped Asellus Primus B of any planets that might have formed with it. Asellus Primus is known for its high tech manufacturing. Also known as 23 Theta Bootis. |
ED | DROMI | DROMI 1 ? | MAWSON DOCK | Douglas Mawson – Antarctic Explorer and Geologist. |
So ya we may start out coming from different streams of thought but end up in the same place.... ?
Yes there is definitely a story arc path to the Quest for Raxxla and it is tied up in Holdstock Lore
Does that mean there is nothing in game - no, there looks to be way too much put into this for that to be the case. I suspect the "Science" path is supposed to be the sciencing you way through the in-games puzzles path...
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150 White Dwarfs within 100ly of Sol, slowly going through the list....
Additionally it may be that even if you discover Raxxla it will result in your destruction. The quote about (roughly) that you can discover it many times may mean that you find it, but can't register the discovery with Universal Carto because you exploded. That way no one can ever be the first to find it in-game, as there will be no record.
Additionally it may be that even if you discover Raxxla it will result in your destruction. The quote about (roughly) that you can discover it many times may mean that you find it, but can't register the discovery with Universal Carto because you exploded. That way no one can ever be the first to find it in-game, as there will be no record.
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Mars might very well be a coincidence as I believe its capital is named after the enormous (over twice the altitude of the Everest and about the size of Italy!) Olympus Mons.
Going with my Raxxla = New World¹ hypothesis, the person who found it might be like Leif Erikson - the first European to land there, ~500 years before Columbus. However, the Norse failed to settle permanently as the native Thule (ancestors of the Inuit) drove them away.
In fact, it was the latter who advanced further on Greenland instead, coexisting for a while until the former died out there.
Also yeah, the signal looks a lot like the Sagittarius A* spectrum graphs; this discovery earned my first ever mention on the Canonn files and might have discouraged people from completing the expedition...
¹ at least WRT the Codex, not necessarily Brookes' original vision
Taken on its own - yes the assumption would be that. But when you look on whole at the choices made for starter systems and worlds.... I suspect it was chosen on purpose.r
Edit - And yes A large mountain....
Going with my Raxxla = New World¹ hypothesis, the person who found it might be like Leif Erikson - the first European to land there, ~500 years before Columbus. However, the Norse failed to settle permanently as the native Thule (ancestors of the Inuit) drove them away.
In fact, it was the latter who advanced further on Greenland instead, coexisting for a while until the former died out there.
Also yeah, the signal looks a lot like the Sagittarius A* spectrum graphs; this discovery earned my first ever mention on the Canonn files and might have discouraged people from completing the expedition...
¹ at least WRT the Codex, not necessarily Brookes' original vision
I think there is something to this - the idea of the magical world at the edge of the "known" or the "reasonable" world. That has alot to do with places like Atlantis or the land of Prestr John - Ultima Thule, even Point Nemo. Although these days Im leaning toward the idea that its not a new world -but an old Labyrinth that contains an even older entity.... The Exile.
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Definitely the idea of the Labyrinth as a prison / domain for an entity seems appropriate. The notions of "journey we must all take for ourselves" and a "test of skill and courage" as well as a "state of cosmic enlightenment" for reaching it are all befitting the symbolism of a labyrinth. Also the historic design of labyrinth is one that is unicursal with no branching paths (as opposed to a maze) so if Raxxla is such then at least we won't have to contend with dead ends once we find the path........
right?It would also make sense that the logo represents this in an abstracted manner.
There does seem to be evidence in systems naming and placements that designate some type of watery boundary.
The Styx and Lethe in game are absolutely nowhere close to the underworld, instead they seem to exist on a north/south boundary.
There are systems in game whose naming is after aspects from the epic of Gilgamesh and are linked to the waters of life and creation and in game, again seem to align.
These systems correspond with a clear north / south placement, which aligns with other systems identified with north / south elements, and that aligns with the Greek compass in game and generally my concept of a Miltonian / Brookesian Cosmological model in game.
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