DLC18 discussion and predictions

Thylaco

Thylaco
I like that we've discarded the Dictionary now. It did still predict 2/3, but 2 distinct terms missing for the Pallas Cat/Manul does prove it close to useless.

Only Frontier can convince me it's Highlands, so hopefully it's properly revealed soon (I want continuation, but it really looks like a generic finale to me).

Marvinb said:
Actually now that i look at it again, is that a tent there in the background?
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It's a bit weird, but I guess maybe a Camping tiny theme? That "feeder" next to it could be some sort of stand for a campfire kettle or cooking pot I guess. Not sure how the buntings or paper lanterns fit into a Camping theme.
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Camping without the concept of Accommodation also seems maybe a little weird, and a feature like Hotels would probably get a mention for the update over Jelly Cakes.

Could also be version of a generic staff building too I guess, which sounds decently useful (functions as all buildings for one person).

It doesn't look like a Circus tent, so I think we're safe there. Your chances of being invaded by clowns is small, but never zero.
 
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Chuditch

Chuditch
Thylaco said:
Only Frontier can convince me it's Highlands, so hopefully it's properly revealed soon (I want continuation, but it really looks like a generic finale to me).
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I don't think they could make it more obvious that it's highland without having a giant mountain in the background - the three animals shown are all mountain species, they chose the Pallas cat, an iconic mountain animal, as the headliner rather than a more highly requested fan favourite like the secretary bird or Hamadryas baboon (baboon is still featured of course but isn't front and centre, because most people don't associate them with mountains), and the scenery pieces present in the cover image lean heavily towards Himalayan themeing. The cover art would not look like that if it was just a generic zookeeper's collection pack.
 

Iben

Iben
Milurian said:
keep in mind at that time we didnt even know they would end both were the first of their line to end in hindsight them being the last pack is obvious but at the time we didnt even know to look for the end
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Yes, that's actually exactly what I mean, but for me it's confirmation of the other side than you lol. We're looking at packs with the hingsight of knowing it was the last pack, but back in the day those packs most likely didn't feel like the last packs. We're saying "Oh this was different so that meant it was the end", but that's only because we know it was the end.

Which could certainly be the case with this pack as well.

Milurian said:
I disagree all the final packs have had a finale energy.

PC1 had a brand collab that was a bigger pack.
JWE1 had essentially a summary pack which was bigger and added the main flying animal of the movies.
JWE2 had to packs in quick succession one playing catch up and one that was explicitly a fan favourites.

every final pack had something that made it stand out from normality, a summarising theme, brand collabs, increased size, a grab bag roster or an out there choice all to me represent a final pack.
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Again, I feel like you are looking at it through the lens of knowing those were the last packs.

PC1 had 3 brand tie ins before with the Munsters, Back To The Future and Knight Rider. Yes it was a bigger pack, but had you asked anyone back then if it was the last pack, you'd be called crazy. There were no signs except for it being a more expensive pack; but people would have attributed that to the cost of the license.

Same goes for JWE1. You can say now "they added a flying animal and that was a sign that it was the last pack", but was it really? If you'd ask someone back then, they'd probably tell you that that meant the next DLC would feature one of the other flying animals from the movies. Again, it was more expensive, but people would have attributed that to the bigger cost to make what's in the pack.

JWE2 is for me the only one that was very clear, but the other two? No. That's clouded by the knowledge we have today.

All I'm saying is, and I said this before the teaser was dropped on BN already, the last pack does not have to be a Zookeeper Collection pack nor have to feel like a last pack to be the last pack. If it was a Zookeepers collection pack we'd be sure, but that never meant that if it wasn't a pack like that that PZ was guaranteed to continue. Everyone has their own opinion on what a final pack feels like but in the end the roster doesn't really matter that much. They can go out on any roster they like.

I don't really care about being right or wrong here, if I'm wrong I get more animals so that's a win for me; but I do think the roster/theme doesn't have to have an influence on whether it's the last pack or not. And I also don't think we should ignore the other signs we have because of it.

(All of the above is obviously based on the pack itself, the updates that come along did hint at the end but we don't know our update yet)
 
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Marvinb

Marvinb
Thylaco said:
I like that we've discarded the Dictionary now. It did still predict 2/3, but 2 distinct terms missing for the Pallas Cat/Manul does prove it close to useless.

Only Frontier can convince me it's Highlands, so hopefully it's properly revealed soon (I want continuation, but it really looks like a generic finale to me).


It's a bit weird, but I guess maybe a Camping tiny theme? That "feeder" next to it could be some sort of stand for a campfire kettle or cooking pot I guess. Not sure how the buntings or paper lanterns fit into a Camping theme.
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Camping without the concept of Accommodation also seems maybe a little weird, and a feature like Hotels would probably get a mention for the update over Jelly Cakes.

Could also be version of a generic staff building too I guess, which sounds decently useful (functions as all buildings for one person).

It doesn't look like a Circus tent, so I think we're safe there. Your chances of being invaded by clowns is small, but never zero.
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I dont think its like a camping in the woods tent, or a funtioning one. More one of those that the nomadic people of the asian highlands use, which makes the yak pretty much a given in the pack i think
 

Thylaco

Thylaco
Chuditch said:
I don't think they could make it more obvious that it's highland without having a giant mountain in the background - the three animals shown are all mountain species, they chose the Pallas cat, an iconic mountain animal, as the headliner rather than a more highly requested fan favourite like the secretary bird or Hamadryas baboon (baboon is still featured of course but isn't front and centre, because most people don't associate them with mountains), and the scenery pieces present in the cover image lean heavily towards Himalayan themeing. The cover art would not look like that if it was just a generic zookeeper's collection pack.
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The flags don't, they're not the right shape for general Prayer Flags, the Lanterns are generic East Asia. The background isn't even trying to convey mountainous, just forested, apart from maybe the tiny twin peaks over there.

There's also a random zookeeper in the middle of picture, which is a massive red flag to me, sort of overshadows everything else in my eyes, hence why I'm personally not going to accept it till the announcement proves or disproves it.
 

Chuditch

Chuditch
Thylaco said:
The flags don't, they're not the right shape for general Prayer Flags, the Lanterns are generic East Asia.
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They're not exact because, from what we can see here, this pack doesn't come with any new pieces and so has to use an approximation of what Himalayan/Tibetan themeing would look like using pieces that are already in the game.

If you're not going to be convinced then fair enough, I just think the cover image would be inherently deceitful if it wasn't a mountains pack haha.
 

Thylaco

Thylaco
Chuditch said:
They're not exact because, from what we can see here, this pack doesn't come with any new pieces and so has to use an approximation of what Himalayan/Tibetan themeing would look like using pieces that are already in the game.

If you're not going to be convinced then fair enough, I just think the cover image would be inherently deceitful if it wasn't a mountains pack haha.
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Barnyard did come with new pieces in exchange for an exhibit is the problem, and Prayer Flags seem pretty simple, potentially not even worth that much, so it begs the question of why they didn't. We'll see what happens.
 
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zoomaster1994

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I too think it's a mountain themed animal pack;
Hamadryas baboon
Pallas cat
Markhor
-Wild yak
-Darwin rhea
-Spectacled bear
-Goodfellows tree kangaroo
-Alpine marmot
E;
-Chinese/Japanese giant salamander
 

Iben

Iben
Chuditch said:
If you're not going to be convinced then fair enough, I just think the cover image would be inherently deceitful if it wasn't a mountains pack haha.
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Whilst I tend to agree that it's probably more a highlands/mountain pack; not all of the animals inherently have to fit with the key art.

Sloth bear didn't fit with Eurasian Pack Keyart, Arctic Fox didn't fit with the NA keyart, etc. Depending on the amount of animals that don't fit it, they might have just grouped the animals that did for the key art.
 

Chuditch

Chuditch
Iben said:
Whilst I tend to agree that it's probably more a highlands/mountain pack; not all of the animals inherently have to fit with the key art.

Sloth bear didn't fit with Eurasian Pack Keyart, Arctic Fox didn't fit with the NA keyart, etc. Depending on the amount of animals that don't fit it, they might have just grouped the animals that did for the key art.
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Yeah, but the keyart still reflected what the pack was about, and in those cases those animals kind of stuck out amongst the rosters of the packs they were in too, not just the keyart. If this is the keyart for a Zookeeper's Collection Pack I have no idea why they would decide to go for a highlands themed scene with nothing but the silhouette of a zookeeper to portray it as anything other than a collection of mountain animals.
 

Iben

Iben
Chuditch said:
Yeah, but the keyart still reflected what the pack was about, and in those cases those animals kind of stuck out amongst the rosters of the packs they were in too, not just the keyart. If this is the keyart for a Zookeeper's Collection Pack I have no idea why they would decide to go for a highlands themed scene with nothing but the silhouette of a zookeeper to portray it as anything other than a collection of mountain animals.
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Yup, I tend to agree with that.
 

Hinvolur

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UNLESS it is a zookeeper collection pack. And we get another image in a different colour and theme with another three animals as another tease, say, sifaka key art with tree kangaroo and secretary bird in background.
 

Thylaco

Thylaco
Chuditch said:
Yeah, but the keyart still reflected what the pack was about, and in those cases those animals kind of stuck out amongst the rosters of the packs they were in too, not just the keyart. If this is the keyart for a Zookeeper's Collection Pack I have no idea why they would decide to go for a highlands themed scene with nothing but the silhouette of a zookeeper to portray it as anything other than a collection of mountain animals.
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Hamadryas is certainly not a Highland endemic like the other two. Of the 3, Pallas is furthest down on the Metawishlist, at 21st, but the Wisent was the lowest ranked of its pack.

If you assume these 3 are the only ones of an 8 species pack that come from Highlands, then the chances of picking them randomly would be (3/8)(2/7)(1/6) = 1.8%, for a 7 species pack it's 2.9%.

Assuming 5 fit the criterion instead (adding the Tree Kangaroo and Spectacled bear for example, which are 3rd and 5th), then it's 17.9% chance for a 8 species pack, and 28.6% chance for a 7 species pack.

So it's safe to say there's either more that fit the criterion (potentially all of them), intentional misdirection, or a very specific bias.
 

Cynogale bennettii II

Cynogale bennettii II
Marvinb said:
Speaking of not in captivity mountain animals there actually is one that id over the moon to see in here.
Its the mount kilimanjaro guereza, uber random curveball to add in here but i would love it
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My local zoo (Colchester) actually had Mount Kilimanjaro guerezas until a few years ago - they were absolutely magnificent animals. The male was absolutely huge (probably the third biggest individual monkey in the zoo, behind the male mandrill and male gelada) and their coats were incredible - unlike standard guerezas, which have black tails with a white tassel on the end, the Mount Kilimanjaro species has a huge white plumed tail. If we were confirmed to get a colobus monkey, I'd sell my soul for it to be the Mount Kilimanjaro species.

Also, to all the folks pondering over which second bovid to have included in Wetlands - why not just cut the second bovid and replace with the proper Asian wetland deer, the barasingha. It would have elevated the pack so much more, while still filling the same general niche as the wild water buffalo.
 
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