At least EVA is a playable state of being. I can space walk to an NPC ship and hijack it. I can call for help and move to a friend's (or first responder's) ship, physically board it, take a crew or a passenger seat, operate turret weapons in an actual turret for her/him ... This game doesn't need to be that game, but it could take a few pointers--like developing with attention to detail (not necessarily as intricate detail), or taking Paypal. The fact that ED is also trading ships now shows that it wants that Chris Roberts money. Gotta put in the work, though.Very true, EVA when unexpectedly falling through the floor is always a bonus
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Frontier Store won't allow ARX purchase using PayPal!!!!!!
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Well, there always are other means of payment.
Thing is, with Paypal it's "too easy" to claim a refund.
Let's be honest; some of ED's DLC is pretty shonky and allowing Paypal transactions would probably result in FDev losing a significant number of sales due to refunds.
On top of that (and probably more problematic), you're going to get the "test pilots" who buy stuff, use it for a little while and then claim a refund when they're bored of it.
Sure, the fact that we've got the whole Money>Arx>stuff thing going on, as well, makes it even more complicated but, from FDev's POV, that's just going to make it even more complicated to remove DLC when a player reverses a transaction.
I tend to be quite forgiving of DLC but, I gotta say, if I'd used Paypal to buy the Arx which I used to buy the "Celeste" COVAS, I would have requested a refund even if that meant I lost a bunch of other DLC purchased with those Arx.
Let's be honest; some of ED's DLC is pretty shonky and allowing Paypal transactions would probably result in FDev losing a significant number of sales due to refunds.
On top of that (and probably more problematic), you're going to get the "test pilots" who buy stuff, use it for a little while and then claim a refund when they're bored of it.
Sure, the fact that we've got the whole Money>Arx>stuff thing going on, as well, makes it even more complicated but, from FDev's POV, that's just going to make it even more complicated to remove DLC when a player reverses a transaction.
I tend to be quite forgiving of DLC but, I gotta say, if I'd used Paypal to buy the Arx which I used to buy the "Celeste" COVAS, I would have requested a refund even if that meant I lost a bunch of other DLC purchased with those Arx.
Nobody can say for sure why Fdev don't use PayPal but from my experience having worked for an extremely large company that had dealings with them our main issues were around legal (they had no UK registered office at that time) and financial, their charges for use were just ridiculous - we didn't need them.
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1 to 4.5% of every purchase with a CC goes to the CC companies and processors. So CCs are not free. They have added cost to everything we buy for decades.
However, Paypal can be problematic for sellers for multiple additional reasons. Ease of buyer fraud against the sellers. Them picking and choosing what legal industries you can buy from or sell to through them, often enough based on political or religious ideology. Shenanigans regarding getting money they owe you from them. Etc.
I stopped using paypal to buy because paypal decided that I could no longer use paypal where I wanted to use it. I stopped accepting paypal because the math did not work out better than just taking CC through one of the many other cc processing services. I imagine Frontier did similar math.
However, Paypal can be problematic for sellers for multiple additional reasons. Ease of buyer fraud against the sellers. Them picking and choosing what legal industries you can buy from or sell to through them, often enough based on political or religious ideology. Shenanigans regarding getting money they owe you from them. Etc.
I stopped using paypal to buy because paypal decided that I could no longer use paypal where I wanted to use it. I stopped accepting paypal because the math did not work out better than just taking CC through one of the many other cc processing services. I imagine Frontier did similar math.
That is greek signs, I think it's a joke, I've never encountered such sign, fortunatelyWell, there always are other means of payment.
Very strange, has this changed recently? For me it was the other way around when I bought Odyssey. My card payment kept failing -after- it was approved by the bank. Support had no useful answer to that and would not escalate a fault search. So Paypal remained as only option and it did the job, at the expense of higher fees to Frontier. I share the sentiments about Paypal expressed above and continue to use it only if there is no other way. If the seller accepts the risk, so be it.
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Recently ? No, iIrc it must have been around September/October last year when PP vanished from the payment options.
At least my "ranting" postings were made around that date...
I mean if you want history and when stuff changed and even explanations of what happened with PayPal in the UK you could look back through the thread you necro'd in the first place.
Okay, yea my perception of time is probably a bit different. Within a year or so is fairly recent to meRecently ? No, iIrc it must have been around September/October last year when PP vanished from the payment options.
At least my "ranting" postings were made around that date...
The mentioned purchase was well before that. And later the problem with card payments seems to have vanished. Good riddance Pay"pal" but if they don't consider alternative ways and something goes wrong again, they only shoot themselves in the foot.I did it in the end with my debit card it worked i was just to stupid to use it. Thanks for all the help <3 o7
After years I came back to Elite because I felt, they try to repair some of the damage done with Odyssey, so I want to support that and buy the Mandalay, paint job and other things like I did in the past.
I can't use PayPal, I always used to pay with PayPal when shopping and supporting Frontier in the past. Guess, I can't pay. Oh well...
Credit Card is a no go for me.
I can't use PayPal, I always used to pay with PayPal when shopping and supporting Frontier in the past. Guess, I can't pay. Oh well...
Credit Card is a no go for me.
I don't know where you're from, but here in the UK we normally get issued a Debit Card with every bank account. If you have one, could you not use that? Always works for me. It's a faff having to enter the details every time, but it works.
In this case the only thing that may work is to circumvent that by using Steam to buy Arx but that obviously only works for Elite/Steam accounts... ;-/
You can just use your debit card if it has a Visa or Mastercard logo.
I think the problem here is that not every bank offers Visa or Mastercard debit cards. Mine has Maestro for instance.
PayPal is a defacto standard way of paying. Why can't Frontier just comply with a standard everyone is used to?
Not everyone is from the UK and not every bank gives out debitcards that are Visa/Mastercard compatible. Mine gives out Maestro cards and is planning to start with Mastercards somewhere in 2025.
Paypal is the defacto standard for online payments. Frontier should just comply with what everyone is used to.
Visa was the defacto debit card a decade ago, when Mastercard moved into the debit card space, yet your bank doesn’t use them. Why should Frontier pay extra transaction fees because a few banks don’t issue the industry standard?
It’s the same reason you couldn’t use Amex on most UK card machines for most of the time I’ve had one.
