The Quest To Find Raxxla

[SHEA PARDH]

Of course. No one is questioning that ^. Certainly not i.
But if say i were truly onto something legit & solid ( with RAXXLA ) , and i absolutely knew it 99.9% was correct on-track, i just wouldn't come posting anything in public forums at all UNTIL i actually had the shareable proof, data, steps-to-reproduce, etc. for to assist the proverbial greater good.

Eh, this particular thread is full of speculation because it's actually huge part of work involved in solving anything here - you basically have to speculate, bounce those ideas off other people, perhaps other people get involved (or not), and maybe nothing comes out of it but negative results are also results. I don't want to get into judging anybody's character here, and I see zero point in gatekeeping this thread in any way other than perhaps "stay on topic". People have their way of doing things, and it may not line up with your notion of how things should be done, and there is nothing wrong with either side. It's not a job you're paying them to do.

This leapt out at me while I was researching NGC 7822 last night. It probably is an error but still, it's worth noting.

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Yes, and no. 2MASS survey covered the ENTIRE sky. The fact that we have a handful of strings of stars here and there is not a coincidence or an error - it was specifically, on purpose handpicked to accomplish specific goals. If you visit Orion Nebula, it will become painfully obvious just how hand-crafted the whole place is, and largely why.

I suspect somewhat similar revelation with NGC 7822. Yes, the stars are obviously aligned, they may have been distributed slightly differently before, but I suspect that if anything, it's a correction to make things clearer than anything else. It's a very well trekked location (just like Orion Nebula - there is not a single spot you can leave your name on left in there, despite how annoying it is to get in there - or maybe because), I'm fairly sure any changes are premeditated.

 

[Neestar]

Eh, this particular thread is full of speculation because it's actually huge part of work involved in solving anything here - you basically have to speculate, bounce those ideas off other people, perhaps other people get involved (or not), and maybe nothing comes out of it but negative results are also results.

I'm not talking about "bouncing ideas" . And i think you know that.

I don't want to get into judging anybody's character here,

i only commented on their POSTS. ( i rarely presume to know anyone's uhh character in MMOs , much less within anonymous interwebs )

and I see zero point in gatekeeping this thread in any way other than perhaps "stay on topic".

Asking questions isn't "gatekeeping" though. It's just basic exercise of critical thinking. ( important part of Scientific Method )

People have their way of doing things, and it may not line up with your notion of how things should be done, and there is nothing wrong with either side. It's not a job you're paying them to do.

No but we're all "paying" to be part of a collective community, yes? Plus, once someone posts in PUBLIC forum, it's open to criticism & questions. They'll either be answered by the poster directly or by the poster's indirect silence.

(just like Orion Nebula - there is not a single spot you can leave your name on left in there, despite how annoying it is to get in there - or maybe because),

newb question but: Couldn't you leave it on one of those 'V' numbered prefix systems ( planets therein ) and/or one of the '2MASS' prefix systems ( planets therein ) ...?

 

[SHEA PARDH]

newb question but: Couldn't you leave it on one of those 'V' numbered prefix systems ( planets therein ) and/or one of the '2MASS' prefix systems ( planets therein ) ...?

Oh, man - that place is better scanned than the bubble. There is not a speck of dust left that people haven't visited there.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

On my journey to Witch Head Nebula, I stumbled onto this "Emerald Sky" - I simply have to post this (it's Spirograph Nebula).

 

[Comandante]

I think one of the few places left in-game /most/ people haven't looked is the planet/system descriptions.

MB did say it needed to be a 'tiny bit obvious'.

AFAIK there's never been a coordinated effort to write down ALL system/planet descriptions. What if there's a puzzle to be unlocked by visiting them all (or some of them) and coming up with the answer?

Also: The game can lock you out of Raxxla without visiting systems in a certain order or as a total set. E.g. if you need to visit 12 systems to put the clue together, all players would have to do the same - and the clue/answer might even be different for each player!

And on top of that: Some system/planet descriptions might not become visible until a player had achieved maximum Elite status.

It's a shame the Raxxla potato hunt didn't write down all system descriptions when visiting all the planets in the bubble.

Could write a tool that scrapes the top-left text of the system map that sits in the background then uploads it to Inara (or wherever) so it would make it easier to do.

It's the only place I think there is to look after all this time.

 

[Neestar]

I think one of the few places left in-game /most/ people haven't looked is the planet/system descriptions.

MB did say it needed to be a 'tiny bit obvious'.

AFAIK there's never been a coordinated effort to write down ALL system/planet descriptions.

sorry CMDR for the newb-ish question here but just so i'm understanding you properly here: What exactly do you mean by "descriptions" ? Can you give/show a quick example?
( just for reference )

 

[Reyedog]

I love that you can see the spirals in the galaxy now from above. My rackhams peak screenshot got corrupted. Sad face about that. But this was taken from the Cancri sector.

The second image is our home, bernards, ect.

The third image. I am trying to figure out what this blue orb thing is. It's not part of the static skybox. It's either too far out for the normal galmap camera or its a micro nebula. And no it is not GCRV 4925. That targets in a completly different direction.

 

[Reyedog]

One day my sweet Yellow beauty I shall visit you.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

So I am at Witch Head Nebula and I believe the "whisperer in the witch space" is not a "where", it's a "who" and the answer is "Thargoids". You can hear them chatter in FSS when you mouse over any of their sources. There isn't really much else to listen to around Witch Head Nebula.

However, I have a problem with the timeline and I wasn't around when the whole thing started for good. Codex was added in 3304 (I think) and by then Thargoids had non-human sources in Pleiades and you could fight them (for like a year, according to wiki). But Thargoids didn't attack Witch Head until 3306 (according to Wiki) so, and systems weren't named in there until 3306 either. So, this would imply that "the whisperer in the witch space" is in Pleiades, not in Witch Head Nebula.

So, either "To the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void!" implies one location (i.e. Pleiades - it is all one sentence after all), not two, or the siren is elsewhere (but I find that actually difficult to believe).

Can people who were around for this comment in any way about Thargoids in Witch Head Nebula vs the timeline of the codex?

 

[SHEA PARDH]

sorry CMDR for the newb-ish question here but just so i'm understanding you properly here: What exactly do you mean by "descriptions" ? Can you give/show a quick example?
( just for reference )

If you look at systems in the bubble, like say Tau Ceti, they have descriptions in the system summary in the system map.

The small issue is that nowadays there is a LOT of systems with player factions, and player factions get to set their description in their home system (and some are pretty creative) so as a result, now you have to confirm first if the system is a home to some player faction or not. If not, then the description is from FDEV.

 

[Neestar]

If you look at systems in the bubble, like say Tau Ceti, they have descriptions in the system summary in the system map.

The small issue is that nowadays there is a LOT of systems with player factions, and player factions get to set their description in their home system (and some are pretty creative) so as a result, now you have to confirm first if the system is a home to some player faction or not. If not, then the description is from FDEV.

ahhhh ok, yep i totally hear ya and actually i had asked ( or mentioned ) a similar type issue wayyyy back many pages ago in this thread because i was confused when i thought i had discovered "The Dark Wheel" ...but of course it was just a PLAYER made faction ( apparently from the time when FDev allowed or had some type of "contest" or whatever? )

 

[Reyedog]

So I am at Witch Head Nebula and I believe the "whisperer in the witch space" is not a "where", it's a "who" and the answer is "Thargoids". You can hear them chatter in FSS when you mouse over any of their sources. There isn't really much else to listen to around Witch Head Nebula.

However, I have a problem with the timeline and I wasn't around when the whole thing started for good. Codex was added in 3304 (I think) and by then Thargoids had non-human sources in Pleiades and you could fight them (for like a year, according to wiki). But Thargoids didn't attack Witch Head until 3306 (according to Wiki) so, and systems weren't named in there until 3306 either. So, this would imply that "the whisperer in the witch space" is in Pleiades, not in Witch Head Nebula.

So, either "To the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void!" implies one location (i.e. Pleiades - it is all one sentence after all), not two, or the siren is elsewhere (but I find that actually difficult to believe).

Can people who were around for this comment in any way about Thargoids in Witch Head Nebula vs the timeline of the codex?

The the video sequence of the intercepters was a thing before it became a ingame event. Pleiades was the only location at the time thargoids showed up. It wasn't until the barnicle update that they started showing up in other nebulas like the witch head california and soalsack regions there was also the thargoid structure update too which further changed things. Allot of us believe the Titan's have been in the game for a long period of time but fdev waited for the players to provoke them to show or to unlock events that lead to them to showup I.E. The salvation saga. We had a choice at the time to switch how the narritive went but people decided on war.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

The the video sequence of the intercepters was a thing before it became a ingame event. Pleiades was the only location at the time thargoids showed up. It wasn't until the barnicle update that they started showing up in other nebulas like the witch head california and soalsack regions there was also the thargoid structure update too which further changed things. Allot of us believe the Titan's have been in the game for a long period of time but fdev waited for the players to provoke them to show or to unlock events that lead to them to showup I.E. The salvation saga. We had a choice at the time to switch how the narritive went but people decided on war.

OK so that's interesting because I believe one of the big things about barnacles is that they sang. There are some youtube videos with that stuff.

 

[Reyedog]

OK so that's interesting because I believe one of the big things about barnacles is that they sang. There are some youtube videos with that stuff.

They do. There's one that looks like a thargoid shape itself. I don't remember that location but i remember it being noisy. They also have a very odd shepards tone to them that sounds like distant construction equipment for aircraft.

 

[athulin]

Could write a tool that scrapes the top-left text of the system map that sits in the background then uploads it to Inara (or wherever) so it would make it easier to do.

Before you do so, take a look at the EULA, in particular section 4 where it says "4.5 You may not collect or harvest any information or data from the Game, the Online Features or our systems, ...".

Even mention of the technical possibility is tainted by heresy.

 

[Tifu]

OK so that's interesting because I believe one of the big things about barnacles is that they sang. There are some youtube videos with that stuff.

Singing back in answer to the "whisperer in Witch Space"? Makes sense that the barnacles are communicating with their own on the other side.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

For some reason, you didn't quote my post but you referenced my exact quoted words? Anyways, for the record, when i said "PROBABLY a futile search" before, i was meaning my own personal search thru this entire forum thread. ( trying to find clues within 10 years worth of PRIOR posts , from players----or Devs---long gone/forgotten )
i certainly don't think The Search for RAXXLA is "futile" . Someone soon has to find something! Right?

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Ever since i had my very 1st encounter back in November--> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...-target-systems.612125/page-327#post-10491608 with that ^ particular map room , i've been wondering if perhaps it was some small ( or big? ) piece to the RAXXLA puzzle....

Any clues there may be must be gleaned from the game. This thread is only a collection of our interpretations, musings, hypotheses, a few examples of mental breakdowns, and quite a few trolls. We have no idea where (or what) Raxxla is, so it can contain no clues! You might get some mental stimulation from reading this thread, quite a lot of entertainment, a whole load of pareidolia, possibly some thoughts to form your own hypotheses to test, but not much help - because, as far as we know, nobody has found Raxxla yet; if someone has then I don't think they've said anything about it here, at least nothing that was believable.

We have briefly discussed in the past whether people would want to have the secret of Raxxla disclosed (if it is ever found by a Questor, and I haven't (yet)). The consensus seemed to be no they wouldn't but would like to see a certificate of some form from FD that it had been found. I suspect any discoverer of Raxxla might become the target of numerous griefers thenceforth, so it might be kept quiet.

The Thargoid map room is interesting. FD said numerous times this game is based on physical principles and they have attempted to make it scientifically valid (apart from some obvious things like faster than light travel). Yet they gave us an alien map room with an image of a galaxy that seems to differ from ours- alien perception? different galaxy? fluff??

Only FD know!!

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I think people have different style in how they look for this and that's mostly fine. I don't believe in this being a lone wolf effort, but I'll be happy if someone proves me wrong. That being said, a very basic danger of any lone wolf effort is that one may spend a very large amount of time on something easily refuted by other folks. And if they have fun doing that, that's still OK since this is a game. Hopefully nothing being done here is going to cause any actual harm. Yes, it may go faster in a group, but not everyone can deal with group dynamics and sometimes people want a break from things like that.

If I understand correctly, mach10 is traveling to various pulsars, and possibly other bodies of interest. I don't personally believe this is some key to Raxxla, but it's definitely a fun experience anyway. They could have called it "the Pulsar Quest", not mentioned anything about Raxxla, and the effect would be about the same (perhaps they would have faced less hostility). There was someone who circumnavigated the galaxy. Someone I believe completed the discovery codex (as in all sectors). Those are all fine endeavors. Heck even visiting all stars of a specific constellation is an experience as often times there are outliers thousands if not tens of thousands LY out, and many constellations have ~100 systems. Funnily at some point I wanted to visit all Cancri systems (just cause why not), and I think I still have a spreadsheet with the ones I still have to visit. I still have a few bookmarks from Capricorni from our latest burst of activity with Drakkster. It is just way too boring for me, honestly - many very generic systems with absolutely nothing in it and a LOT of travel in between. Boxel surveys are less monotonous since you find some bios, land on planets, and so on.

Not everyone wants this to be some big lore story. Some people WANT this to be one and done point of interest. Based on what we've been told, I don't think that's the case, but then nobody has ever proven anything about this one way or another so the jury is still out. The game is a sandbox, and people should be free to play it their way.

But "something related to the attempt to discover Raxxla" could only be refuted by someone who has actually discovered it (or FD)!
If anyone has then they ain't saying!
FD certainly aren't!!

I keep saying this, but it seems to fall like seeds on stony ground -
until we know what Raxxla is, how it is hidden, and how to find it then any and all previous "investigations" hold no weight whatsoever. It is highly likely that it is well hidden and is not a commonplace in-game object.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

This leapt out at me while I was researching NGC 7822 last night. It probably is an error but still, it's worth noting.

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source: https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/NGC_7822

Anything exhibiting a line of anything pointing back to Sol is very probably based on real life astronomical measurements. Which historically have been reasonably accurate in angular measurement but fairly inaccurate in distance estimation- remember that everything not measurable by angular paralax is based on some form of estimation and theory, and IRL theories are often proven wrong or in someeway inaccurate.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

This leapt out at me while I was researching NGC 7822 last night. It probably is an error but still, it's worth noting.

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source: https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/NGC_7822

Yes, that's a wiki error. Those stars were in that configuration before the 1.0 release and haven't been moved, renamed, or anything else since.

So I am at Witch Head Nebula and I believe the "whisperer in the witch space" is not a "where", it's a "who" and the answer is "Thargoids". You can hear them chatter in FSS when you mouse over any of their sources. There isn't really much else to listen to around Witch Head Nebula.

However, I have a problem with the timeline and I wasn't around when the whole thing started for good. Codex was added in 3304 (I think) and by then Thargoids had non-human sources in Pleiades and you could fight them (for like a year, according to wiki). But Thargoids didn't attack Witch Head until 3306 (according to Wiki) so, and systems weren't named in there until 3306 either. So, this would imply that "the whisperer in the witch space" is in Pleiades, not in Witch Head Nebula.

So, either "To the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void!" implies one location (i.e. Pleiades - it is all one sentence after all), not two, or the siren is elsewhere (but I find that actually difficult to believe).

Can people who were around for this comment in any way about Thargoids in Witch Head Nebula vs the timeline of the codex?

Yes, you're right. The Codex publication came in release 3.3 at the end of 3304, and the discovery of Thargoids in Witch Head wasn't until the Enclave initiative in mid 3305

Something to watch with visuals around the Pleiades is that the nebula model there wasn't the same one in the 1.0 release - it used to be one of the "generic" nebula models and wasn't corrected until later: the 2.2 release notes have "made the Pleiades Nebula blue". Similarly the Thargoids didn't show up around the Pleiades itself until well into the 2.x release (which may or not matter depending on whether your theory is that the Codex is giving an alternative path to find Raxxla to the 1.0 one, or simply highlighting bits of the original path which were missed) though the "Unknown Artefact" shell was of course pointing to Merope much earlier.

Before you do so, take a look at the EULA, in particular section 4 where it says "4.5 You may not collect or harvest any information or data from the Game, the Online Features or our systems, ...".

Even mention of the technical possibility is tainted by heresy.

Yes. Though taken literally, that includes "writing down things you see in game" and "using the game's built-in screenshot function".

Screenshot -> OCR -> database has generally been fine before, provided that you take the screenshots manually.

But something related to the attempt to discove Raxxla could only be refuted by someone who has actually discovered it!

In the sense of "I think Raxxla is here" / "Well, I know that's not where I found it", sure.

In the sense of "I think this station name is a clue to Raxxla" / "No, sorry, that was a player competition winner", you can miss that some of your theory's components are wrong.