DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)

Might be a bit of a hot take, but I kind of wish we got a different family of monkeys over another Macaque. Don't get me wrong, I will gladly take another primate and the Lion-Tailed Macaque is pretty iconic. I just kind of wish we got either a Langur or a Loris. But as said, another primate is always welcome
Hey im with you here. Personally i would also have prefered hanuman langur and rhesus macaque for india. But lion tailed macaque is still fantastic to get. And its for sure the most striking out of the trio, which probably is one of the main reasons it got picked.

And i guess there is still a chance, albeit a very small one that there is also the langur in this pack, if its indeed india.
 
Might be a bit of a hot take, but I kind of wish we got a different family of monkeys over another Macaque. Don't get me wrong, I will gladly take another primate and the Lion-Tailed Macaque is pretty iconic. I just kind of wish we got either a Langur or a Loris. But as said, another primate is always welcome
india is pretty well known for its monkeys we may see more than one.
 
Please not, one monkey is more than enough, not my favorite animal group, and they blew it with the previous pack, Howlers are the coolest monkeys, but we never gonna see it now, same with gelada, mantled and aye-aye
 
I think South Asia is a strong possibility for the pack name.

If there is an elephant (I’m not convinced there will be but the possibility can’t be ignored) it could well be the Sri Lankan.

That would be covered by South Asia which is a broader term. Yes the Indian Subcontinent is a geographical term but given the multiple political sensitivities around this I think South Asia is a good bet.

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I think South Asia is a strong possibility for the pack name.

If there is an elephant (I’m not convinced there will be but the possibility can’t be ignored) it could well be the Sri Lankan.

That would be covered by South Asia which is a broader term. Yes the Indian Subcontinent is a geographical term but given the multiple political sensitivities around this I think South Asia is a good bet.

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im still not sold on south asian animal pack being different enough from south east asian animal pack to be a viable name. The missing word being in the middle of the name south east asia animal pack already getting shorted by just about everyone a general lack of public awareness about the differences between the regions and a large number of shared fauna make the name not suitable.

I have no doubt that if the pack theme is going to be asian at all it will be india or asia.
 
im still not sold on south asian animal pack being different enough from south east asian animal pack to be a viable name. The missing word being in the middle of the name south east asia animal pack already getting shorted by just about everyone a general lack of public awareness about the differences between the regions and a large number of shared fauna make the name not suitable.

I have no doubt that if the pack theme is going to be asian at all it will be india or asia.
Not to mention Southeast asia animal pack is also purple
 
We have Europe and Eurasia. We have North America, South America and Americas. We have Australia and Oceania. Difference in names/concept isn’t an issue anymore.
north and south america are 2 word pack names that are well known and have the distinction at the start. Europe and eurasia are confusing in range but not in name as they are completely different names same with the others.

south asia and south east asia combine the confusing concepts plus the confusing name making it worse than any of the above pack names.
 
I have missed out on much here since I was away for the past days, but realised through Reddit there's new cover art.

Honestly, I'm more confused than I have been before as to what theme we will get.

Some people say India/South Asia, and the background seems to suggest that. The river makes a biome theme unlikely, the landscape and presence of elephants fit India, but I would also expect more themed scenery if that were the case. And honestly, a honey badger doesn't scream India to me, even though it lives there. The one on the front seems like the South-African subspecies with its distinct white band.

Jungle is even more unlikely in my opinion, as honey badgers are more characteristic of savannahs. Also the landscape doesn't scream jungle to me.

I wouldn't rule out either completely, but it seems more like a generic, unthemed animal pack to me (like Zookeeper's), or maybe a generic Asia pack.
 
I wouldn't rule out either completely, but it seems more like a generic, unthemed animal pack to me (like Zookeeper's), or maybe a generic Asia pack.
Why is a generic Asia Pack more likely than an India Pack in your opinion? Just asking, because the honey badger to me sreams more Indian then generic Asian. same with the Lion tailed Macaque. Not saying you are false tho, everything is possible.
 
You do realise both children and adults who dont spend their entire lives around animal exist thats who the casual consumer of video games is. Yes this game may attract more zoo nerds on average but the majority of players are likely going to be children and adults who just enjoy animals. It is safer to pick the most broadly known animal for a pack headliner even if its underwhelming like the coyote because your more likely to have people recognise it may from their own backyards.
While that is true I would argue that the average player that is still buying DLC is not the one that only know their ABC animals. Plus, I'd also argue WAY more people know about a Coati than a Binturong. Even my best friend, who loves going to the zoo with me once in a while and watches nature documentaries, knew what a Coati was, not a Binturong. Or a wombat.
And even for headliner I would argue the average people do not know a honey badger. In fact, if this is really an india pack, I am surprised they did not sell us the sloth bear with it. Not that people know what a sloth bear is. but bears in general attract a higher audience.
 
Hi everyone,
Since the livestream I have been thinking a lot about what could be in this "indian pack".
So I made this... sorry I'm not much a user of canva but here is my guess.
If this Summer DLC isn't the last, we could have a rainforest dlc with the coati... that's why I didn't put them in here.

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We know from the stream,
  • Honey Badger
  • Lion Tailed Macaque
  • Sri Lanka Elephant

And I guess, for a indian safari :
  • Black Buck
  • Asiatic Lion
  • Hanuman Langur
  • Nilgai
  • Gaur

Okay, I know, we could put the fishing cat in place of an ungulate or primate... or take consideration for the king cobra but we haven't had a new exhibit animal since a long time. It's unlikely to have an exhibit animal or a WE animal.
 
While that is true I would argue that the average player that is still buying DLC is not the one that only know their ABC animals. Plus, I'd also argue WAY more people know about a Coati than a Binturong. Even my best friend, who loves going to the zoo with me once in a while and watches nature documentaries, knew what a Coati was, not a Binturong. Or a wombat.
And even for headliner I would argue the average people do not know a honey badger. In fact, if this is really an india pack, I am surprised they did not sell us the sloth bear with it. Not that people know what a sloth bear is. but bears in general attract a higher audience.
Yeah your probably right but it is safer to assume the opposite and go as broad appeal as possible I do also agree that the honey badger isnt really well known enough to be the headliner but is either the most distinguishable from other packs headliners or truly is the most recognisable. I also highly doubt that at the time of eurasia this pack was planned otherwise the sloth bear would of been in this pack and the headliner because it felt misplaced in eurasia anyways.

Also your point about the coati being more well known than the binturong is an excellent example of how region specific animal knowledge is. Where I am from no one knows what a coati is even the animal nerds, I was 3 years into an ecology degree and had countless more hours being obsessed with wildlife and what it took for me to recognise coati was joining these forums. Compare this to binturong which are one of the more common exotic animals in our zoos and from a neighbouring region that is often visited for its wildlife means that most people who have a slightly higher than average animal knowledge know what a binturong is here but everyone I have asked who is from my region does not know what a coati is and when shown a photo gets as far as raccoon.
 
Also your point about the coati being more well known than the binturong is an excellent example of how region specific animal knowledge is. Where I am from no one knows what a coati is even the animal nerds, I was 3 years into an ecology degree and had countless more hours being obsessed with wildlife and what it took for me to recognise coati was joining these forums. Compare this to binturong which are one of the more common exotic animals in our zoos and from a neighbouring region that is often visited for its wildlife means that most people who have a slightly higher than average animal knowledge know what a binturong is here but everyone I have asked who is from my region does not know what a coati is and when shown a photo gets as far as raccoon.
Fair regional difference play a huge part. Looking at the barnyard pack (and argueably twilight) Frontier still seems to be focused slightly more on a european player base. I know we have a lot of animals from the americas, but there was quite a vocal part of US players who have never seen a raccoon or a skunk in a zoo. Twilight was named "the road kill pack", while for europeans, those were pretty basic zoo animals.

I guess my sore point being is that absolutely nothing justifies us not getting a Coati 😂 And the older the Americas Pack gets, the more I hate it that it includes north american animals. We had a biome with a huge biodiversity at hand and got... this. Now we are possibly looking at an India pack, a region that is (thankfully) already very well represented in the game, and now gets even more, unless they surprise us with a general asia pack, which I doubt.
 
Hi everyone,
Since the livestream I have been thinking a lot about what could be in this "indian pack".
So I made this... sorry I'm not much a user of canva but here is my guess.
If this Summer DLC isn't the last, we could have a rainforest dlc with the coati... that's why I didn't put them in here.

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We know from the stream,
  • Honey Badger
  • Lion Tailed Macaque
  • Sri Lanka Elephant

And I guess, for a indian safari :
  • Black Buck
  • Asiatic Lion
  • Hanuman Langur
  • Nilgai
  • Gaur

Okay, I know, we could put the fishing cat in place of an ungulate or primate... or take consideration for the king cobra but we haven't had a new exhibit animal since a long time. It's unlikely to have an exhibit animal or a WE animal.
This is pretty realistic of how Frontier could make the pack
 
I went into this a little elsewhere, but my hopeful-but-still-trying-to-be-realistic take, assuming it IS an India pack, is:

1. Honey Badger
2. Lion-Tailed Macaque
3. Asiatic Lion
4. Blackbuck
5. Greater Adjutant
6. Asian Palm Civet
7. Gaur / Sri Lankan Elephant (depending on if the teaser elephants are in the pack or not)
8. King Cobra (Exhibit)


I think it's the perfect opportunity to return to including exhibit animal(s) in packs, given how iconic the king cobra is to India
The Civet would be awesome, we don't have enough like it - really just the Fossa. Everything else is cats
Can't explain why but Asiatic Lion would make me extremely happy. I think a lot of people would be a little annoyed at a clone animal but I'd be ecstatic :)

I'd also be very happy with the Hanuman Langur, Nilgai, Ganges Softshell Turtle, Demoiselle Crane. But Asiatic Lion is probably my number one priority honestly
 
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This was my predicted roster from my South Asia Pack concept video a month ago, and it does to me atleast look decently realistic.
  • Honey Badger ✅
  • Lion Tailed Macaque ✅
  • Indian Muntjac
  • Gaur
  • Blackbuck (strong chances)
  • Fishing Cat
  • Sarus Crane
While I’m not ecstatic about any of these animals (not because they’re not interesting, because I haven’t started building anything Asia yet), it’s exciting on its own that this could be the closest I have ever been in 20 DLCs to guessing a pack right 😮
 
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