This seems so obvious I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned already. That's how insurance works here on Earth. I don't see why it shouldn't work like this to be honest.
Players losing it all and quitting - sure, their fault but not good for the game.
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This seems so obvious I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned already. That's how insurance works here on Earth. I don't see why it shouldn't work like this to be honest.
The learning curve in ED isn't exactly steep, its time the xbox generation grows up a bit in their gaming.
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On earth no one would insure ED ships for 5% buy back
Death penalty in ED is very minor.
Is it possible that you could end up somewhere with your sidey, cash and no way to get out of the system you're in because your FSD doesn't have the range?
Absolutely agree. Nvertheless, I just dont understand why a newly purchased ship is allowed out of the station without insurance coverage. i.e. its the same as buying a car. It needs insurance before going on the public highway.
Pay the insurance first. Problem solved.
So they keep playing and buying expansions so FD can keep working on the game.
I've flown without insurance on purpose myself. I think the reason is the government doesn't care if you go broke. The reason places (and by no means not all) force you to have insurance these days is to cover the people who HIT not your own vehicle. ED you can ram all you like.
Equating an intuitive UI with maturity doesn't make sense. I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of gaming and growing up being combined either to be honest
Equating an intuitive UI with maturity doesn't make sense. I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of gaming and growing up being combined either to be honest
Nothing unintuitive to me, but then again I'm used to harder games
First thing you should always ask yourself in a game "what happens when I die".
I am a bit concerned about calls to idiot proof the game too. Once you start where do you stop? Most people complaining on the forums seem to have known about the ship insurance but chose to fly without enough to cover it anyway.
Nothing unintuitive to me, but then again I'm used to harder games
First thing you should always ask yourself in a game "what happens when I die".
I'm used to hard games too (Midwinter, Rik Dangerous, Xenon, Powermonger, etc...). And you're right, one of the first questions I ask is "what happens when I die".
However, not making something which is very important apparent to a player doesn't make the game hard.
Maybe part of it is that Insurance is not covered in the tutorials, and off course not everyone plays those, and most (young) people don't expect to have to read a manual these days, so having this info impossible to miss would be a good idea, maybe as a box-out pop up prior to launching the actual game as you sit in your sidewinder? e.g. "Insurance is very important in Elite: Dangerous, make sure you always have enough funds to cover the cost of an insurance claim or you will lose your money and game progress. Don't fly without Insurance - Galcorp Pilot's Federation"
Or have that 'advertised' around the game? Lots could be done to ensure everyone gets the message.
Another aspect may be the grindey nature of the game itself? You work your socks off for ages to get that dream ship, and you don't have enough for insurance, but you've been saving up for this cool new ship for ages, you really don't want to grind more.......it will be ok if you fly safe right? Maybe less grind for some of the early ship 'step ups' would reduce this and get more people comfortable with the Insurance system in game? Obviously the more ships in the game the easier it will be to balance this difficulty curve? At the moment the upgrade costs between each ship seems pretty high which might be encouraging the flying without insurance issue?
Or have that 'advertised' around the game? Lots could be done to ensure everyone gets the message.
Another aspect may be the grindey nature of the game itself? You work your socks off for ages to get that dream ship, and you don't have enough for insurance, but you've been saving up for this cool new ship for ages, you really don't want to grind more.......it will be ok if you fly safe right? Maybe less grind for some of the early ship 'step ups' would reduce this and get more people comfortable with the Insurance system in game? Obviously the more ships in the game the easier it will be to balance this difficulty curve? At the moment the upgrade costs between each ship seems pretty high which might be encouraging the flying without insurance issue?
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The insurance screen makes the full buy back automatically chosen, what's the problem?
Where do you see it obfuscated? Its clear as day.
So you don't mind FD putting up a screen indicating that they think you're too dumb to count? That's what such a warning is. I find the concept insulting, to both FD and the player base.
41 pages in a day? WTH...
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My 2 credits, not that anyone cares... Do we want a game where:
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1. The player takes responsibility for their actions and learns from their mistakes? If so, I think there should be some more help along the lines of telling you why you died, etc. There are some instances where people are destroyed and have no idea what happened. Example: "You were destroyed by Station X for being WANTED"
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"Warning, your cargo hold is full, check your jump range."
"Warning, your cargo hold is empty, you won't make any money."
"Warning, you are about to upgrade a module, are you sure you know what you're doing?"
"Warning, you are entering super-cruise, have you practiced avoiding interdictions?"
"Warning, deploying hard-points, are you sure you want to defend yourself and expose yourself to the possibility of accidental friendly fire?"
"Warning, your hard-points are not deployed, are you sure you want to be a sitting duck?"
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My point simply is this. It's really up to us to know the universe and how to live in it. I do agree that Elite could do a better job of giving us that information before it becomes fatal. But we have to be willing to take responsible for our own actions (or lack of attention).
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My 2 credits, not that anyone cares... Do we want a game where:
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1. The player takes responsibility for their actions and learns from their mistakes? If so, I think there should be some more help along the lines of telling you why you died, etc. There are some instances where people are destroyed and have no idea what happened. Example: "You were destroyed by Station X for being WANTED"
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or
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2.
"Warning, your cargo hold is full, check your jump range."
"Warning, your cargo hold is empty, you won't make any money."
"Warning, you are about to upgrade a module, are you sure you know what you're doing?"
"Warning, you are entering super-cruise, have you practiced avoiding interdictions?"
"Warning, deploying hard-points, are you sure you want to defend yourself and expose yourself to the possibility of accidental friendly fire?"
"Warning, your hard-points are not deployed, are you sure you want to be a sitting duck?"
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My point simply is this. It's really up to us to know the universe and how to live in it. I do agree that Elite could do a better job of giving us that information before it becomes fatal. But we have to be willing to take responsible for our own actions (or lack of attention).
Of course they need to learn the concept. That's why I suggested tell them once, then assume it's learned and they're on their own. Knowing something without ever being told it isn't learning, it's divining.
Nothing in my proposal can realistically be described as handholding. Did you misread it?
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