The Joystick/Controller discussion thread
nostromo and joystick
Hey,
Im using a nostromo and CH pro joystick. I am still configuring my keys for the nostromo to a suitable ED config.
I found that the synapse 2.0 did not cover the nostromo driver wise, however it was plug and play initially. I also used the legacy drivers for nostromo. Probably avoide synapse if you can help it.
Hey,
Im using a nostromo and CH pro joystick. I am still configuring my keys for the nostromo to a suitable ED config.
I found that the synapse 2.0 did not cover the nostromo driver wise, however it was plug and play initially. I also used the legacy drivers for nostromo. Probably avoide synapse if you can help it.
Dual Joystick updates (Identifiers), and additional control toggles (thrust axis switching)
As space flight is radically different to other simulations, using two joysticks allows you to control movement vertical and lateral thrust, with access to other key controls when landing or in combat, but two identical joysticks have the same button tags.
Requests
1. Can you add an identifier to each joystick so when configuring controls, so you can see whether button 10 -for example, is allocated for Joystick one, or Joystick two.
2. Consider adding a toggle switch in normal flight - so the axis assigned for vertical thrust can be switched to forward/backward thrust with a key/button. This would be a three way toggle. (this could show as a secondary axis under a toggle function enabled, and axis transform entry underneath vertical thrust)
Toggle one (default) is the vertical thrusters behaving as normal, Ideal for landing and combat
Toggle two (main thrust hold) is main thrust, but with the thrust effectively holding until corrected as you would with assist off. Ideal for long range cruise/flight
Toggle three (main thrust burst) axis is main thrust but behaves as normal, ideal for short range travel
3. Add a curve control for roll, or enable a slight softening of assist on roll when set digitally according to a slider setting in the control menu - for elegant station entry - so the craft continues to roll slowly when toggled (and an automatic toggle option when within 3km of stations until rotational correction kicks in)
As an example for the main controls I have
Left joystick (left handed) controlling
Yaw, Pitch, Roll, Thrust
Cycle Target, Cycle Subsystem on HAT
Select/Cycle Fire-Group on Fire 5 and 6
Fire 1, 2, and the two select target options in Fire 1-4
Right Joystick
Vertical and Lateral thrust (yaw unassigned currently)
Throttle assigned to zoom when 1.1 becomes available
POV for power distribution and boost
Fire 2 for Power distribution reset
Fire 5 and 6 for assist toggle and gear toggle
Fire 1 for Deploy hardpoints
Fire 3-4 for Shield Cell, Chaff
Left Joystick Base Controls
Left Hand side: SC Only, HS Only, SC Default
Right Joystick Base Controls
Left Hand Side: Cycle Non-Hostile Radar Contacts
If this were done you could assign everything two joysticks, with one hand alternating to the mouse only for rare occasions, or to use the focus override key if not assigned to the joystick, along with a few Panel Keys
They main joystick has the UI focus controls overridden, and the two joysticks can also combine to fully control the map if set up (or a joystick and mouse could continue to be used)
Summary
Both personally and for Space Sims this type of control axis switching could expand on the Focus system to define a common method of control for more complex simulations in the most effective way possible, as a single thrust control just doesn't cut it. It would also sell more flight controller sticks, but to be fully versatile this toggle feature would be needed to avoid continuously holding the joystick forward, and to overload the axes in a way that enhances control for different situations.
As space flight is radically different to other simulations, using two joysticks allows you to control movement vertical and lateral thrust, with access to other key controls when landing or in combat, but two identical joysticks have the same button tags.
Requests
1. Can you add an identifier to each joystick so when configuring controls, so you can see whether button 10 -for example, is allocated for Joystick one, or Joystick two.
2. Consider adding a toggle switch in normal flight - so the axis assigned for vertical thrust can be switched to forward/backward thrust with a key/button. This would be a three way toggle. (this could show as a secondary axis under a toggle function enabled, and axis transform entry underneath vertical thrust)
Toggle one (default) is the vertical thrusters behaving as normal, Ideal for landing and combat
Toggle two (main thrust hold) is main thrust, but with the thrust effectively holding until corrected as you would with assist off. Ideal for long range cruise/flight
Toggle three (main thrust burst) axis is main thrust but behaves as normal, ideal for short range travel
3. Add a curve control for roll, or enable a slight softening of assist on roll when set digitally according to a slider setting in the control menu - for elegant station entry - so the craft continues to roll slowly when toggled (and an automatic toggle option when within 3km of stations until rotational correction kicks in)
As an example for the main controls I have
Left joystick (left handed) controlling
Yaw, Pitch, Roll, Thrust
Cycle Target, Cycle Subsystem on HAT
Select/Cycle Fire-Group on Fire 5 and 6
Fire 1, 2, and the two select target options in Fire 1-4
Right Joystick
Vertical and Lateral thrust (yaw unassigned currently)
Throttle assigned to zoom when 1.1 becomes available
POV for power distribution and boost
Fire 2 for Power distribution reset
Fire 5 and 6 for assist toggle and gear toggle
Fire 1 for Deploy hardpoints
Fire 3-4 for Shield Cell, Chaff
Left Joystick Base Controls
Left Hand side: SC Only, HS Only, SC Default
Right Joystick Base Controls
Left Hand Side: Cycle Non-Hostile Radar Contacts
If this were done you could assign everything two joysticks, with one hand alternating to the mouse only for rare occasions, or to use the focus override key if not assigned to the joystick, along with a few Panel Keys
They main joystick has the UI focus controls overridden, and the two joysticks can also combine to fully control the map if set up (or a joystick and mouse could continue to be used)
Summary
Both personally and for Space Sims this type of control axis switching could expand on the Focus system to define a common method of control for more complex simulations in the most effective way possible, as a single thrust control just doesn't cut it. It would also sell more flight controller sticks, but to be fully versatile this toggle feature would be needed to avoid continuously holding the joystick forward, and to overload the axes in a way that enhances control for different situations.
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I liked the Nostromo back when it was from Belkin, but at least Razer's first generation software was too greatly fail (D-Pad wouldn't chord, so on).
Right now I'm running a Logitech G-13 has my "gaming claw" or "pad" and a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro as the stick. 'Course, you won't be operating the throttle slider when your other hand is using the gamepad, but that's the only major drawback.
Also, I want to say that I'm so happy to have found a recent game where mouse input is not simply better than a stick. So nice.
Right now I'm running a Logitech G-13 has my "gaming claw" or "pad" and a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro as the stick. 'Course, you won't be operating the throttle slider when your other hand is using the gamepad, but that's the only major drawback.
Also, I want to say that I'm so happy to have found a recent game where mouse input is not simply better than a stick. So nice.
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I can't say I miss neg repping. I was given neg rep by some [chap] on here, simply for stating my personal opinion (in a perfectly reasonable manner) in one of the long-running discussion threads. It wasn't even like I was insulting anyone, I just committed the heinous crime of voicing my opinion on one aspect of the game, which is surely what these forums are meant for. Instead my opinion caused this reaction from one rather emotional chap:
I agree that it's a good feature in principle but, people being people, there'll always be a few tools who abuse it as long as it's there.
on here, simply for stating my personal opinion (in a perfectly reasonable manner) in one of the long-running discussion threads. It wasn't even like I was insulting anyone, I just committed the heinous crime of voicing my opinion on one aspect of the game, which is surely what these forums are meant for. Instead my opinion caused this reaction from one rather emotional chap:I agree that it's a good feature in principle but, people being people, there'll always be a few tools who abuse it as long as it's there.
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It's turned off, they decided to not have a comment go with a rep point.
That seems to be a rather futile effort
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i have an x52 pro that i have modified for thrusters
It`s a psp thumbstick that replaces Rotory 1 and 2 and a small pushbutton that replaces button i.
i removed button i and placed the thumbstick in the hole, drilled a hole to the left of it for the button replacement.
i have mapped the thumbstick to thrusters and the button is boost and landing gear when shifted
cant seem to post a pic (post count to low)
Jon
It`s a psp thumbstick that replaces Rotory 1 and 2 and a small pushbutton that replaces button i.
i removed button i and placed the thumbstick in the hole, drilled a hole to the left of it for the button replacement.
i have mapped the thumbstick to thrusters and the button is boost and landing gear when shifted
cant seem to post a pic (post count to low)
Jon
Just get the x52, this game was pretty much designed with that stick and throttle in mind.
He wants TRUE 6DOF. That is everything is on an analogue axes. You are no longer bound to the digital realm of non precision.
I'm in a same process right now (psp joystick) but I want to place mine where throttle hat is. Please post some pictures - you can always post a link to imgur.
Without having to add a second pcb I presume - clever
X52 + an additional joystick is exactly the setup I'm currently using. That's only because I play perma FA-off and the extra-precision on thruster-control the second stick provides is more than welcome thought. I'd probably play only with the HOTAS if I played with FA-on most of the time, with thrusters bound to the throttle's hat.
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Need to buy a proper flightstick for that. Warthog for the win.
2x Cyborg V1s + Thrustmaster Ferrari pedals for throttle. With the Cyborgs having 5 buttons plus 1 trigger and 1 pinky button each, you have more than enough functions. I have right stick for miscellaneous flight stuff (jump, boost, ui focus, silent running, etc) left stick is for targeting (ships, subsystems) as well as throttle, (100%, 75%, 50%, 25%). I had the throttle buttons bound for when I didn't have the pedals, now I have the pedals I use them mostly, but the buttons are good for supercruise.
psp thumbstick pinout
The 2 green blocks is what i used to reference the pots on rotary 1 and 2
A=VCC
B=Up/Down
C=Ground
D=Left/Right
wire Colours inside X52Pro to the rotorys. red is VCC, black is ground, blue X or Y and purple X or Y
the wires are connected to the 2 rotory potentiometers
i cut these and connected them as above
Hope this helps
Jon
The 2 green blocks is what i used to reference the pots on rotary 1 and 2
A=VCC
B=Up/Down
C=Ground
D=Left/Right
wire Colours inside X52Pro to the rotorys. red is VCC, black is ground, blue X or Y and purple X or Y
the wires are connected to the 2 rotory potentiometers
i cut these and connected them as above
Hope this helps
Jon