Apparantly they don't.
At least that's not what's been happening to me in-game.
Maby it's supposed to work that way, but it certainly isn't.
Getting EXTREMELY frustrated with a certain interdiction exploit
- Thread starter Alexander the Grape
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Apparantly they don't.
At least that's not what's been happening to me in-game.
Maby it's supposed to work that way, but it certainly isn't.
As can you.
I'm not crying and whining so there's no reason for me to go solo hahahahaha.
So, what are you suggesting?
It reads that you automatically want the pirate to have however long it takes to reduce shields to zero before the target can engage hyperdrive?
If not, I'm not sure what you're getting at? It's a valid response (in both game and role playing senses) for a target to attempt to run away. It's your job as a pirate to prevent that escape. Yeah, it's hard, because if it were easy everyone would just pirate instead of ferrying their own cargo.
I have included my previous posts in reply because the first post explains about the old PvP mantra of 'it's open play so you automatically consent' being just a shield of convention that PvPers try and hide behind. I'm sorry, but it is time for them to come into the modern world. More and more players are rejecting this old refrain and standing up for their rights to play the way they want, even in so called 'open'. No player has a right to impose their game on another player. As it happens, ED has attracted a large amount of like minded players who are not going to put up with this old style of the PvP way or the highway.
What I'm getting at is that a Pirate (and a Bounty Hunter, because this affects us as well, you know?) should have a fighting chance to stop a target before it can run away.
It shouldn't be automatic.
It certainly shouldn't be easy.
But it should be possible.
Right now, it's not.
Viajero
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Havent read the 9 pages of posts yet so not sure if this has been posted already: Devs are aware and acknowledge that no cool down recharge on submission is not what they intended, from where I suspect that some aspect of the interdiction game mechanic will be changed at some point, hopefully soon(tm):
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=101378&page=15&p=1576069&viewfull=1#post1576069
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Then play solo or a private group.
Open play IS including PvP.
Don't want to PvP? Don't play Open.
By the way I love how people who call players who attack you for no reason in a video game psycho's. The psycho is the person who plays online in a game which has the word dangerous in its title, with open pvp allowed online, and expects other players not to shoot for fun for no reason.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to nitpick here, but that is by dictionary definition psycho(path)!
Those who don't want any involvement in PVP are in fact the polar opposite of psycho's.
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Sorry to nitpick here, but that is by dictionary definition psycho(path)!
Those who don't want any involvement in PVP are in fact the polar opposite of psycho's.
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Actually, a psychopath is just someone who does not have any empathy at all. (although studies show that it's actually something they choose to turn off, they CAN feel empathy if they choose to).
And that could just as well be the trader flying the ship as the one prating him.
But since this is a game and not real life, pirates here are no more psychopaths than someone running around shooting others in CoD games.
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When you call a design development an exploit you are just creating flame bait, so don't expect much sympathy or anything other than trollish replies. It may be something that is going to be changed so that not so skilled pirates can have their dinner handed to them on a plate sometime in the future. But if so then I guess you will find more haulers going the solo/group PVE play and then your pirating objects will become more and more scarce.
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The utmost irony being PVPers then coming and crying because of PVE players playing solo and asking for a merge of the different mods to repopulate the open.
The conclusion of the story is : the game may have been designed with open in mind, and as a consequence PVP, the key is nonetheless the behaviour of the PVE crowd.
Well if you take that to it's logical conclusion then you're just left with pirates and bounty hunters - if a key element of the food chain - traders - is missing then you might as well close open (pun intended).
If you don't want people to be able to choose their interactions in open then how do you propose to make being trader/pirate food fun for the victim?
It is supposed to be a game after all - and fun for all - not just for the pirate.
(fwiw - I have absolutely no idea how...)
It must be, because just yesterday I was interdicted by a federal dropship NPC and he took 1.5 bars of shield off me whilst I was busy boosting and prepping for fsd.
If an NPC can take that much shield in a few seconds then a player should be able to get the shields down.
But then you'd just be in a situation where you'd got the shields down, whilst I'd be on my merry way, so I can't see that being a satisfactory outcome for the pirate.
If you see what I'm getting at here, there's no simple fix that FD can make here which would make everyone happy, because it's two entirely opposing views.
The trader wants to be able to escape without having to give up cargo and the pirate wants the cargo. There can't be a game mechanic that satisfies both of these outcomes. Even imposing a fire fight is not a fair mechanic because once you're in to imposed fighting the pirate has already won.
dinner handed to them on a plate?
Well that certainly shows your stance in this discussion.
There's a difference between "dinner handed to you" and "not possible to stop them" you know.
And right now, with the ultra-short cooldown, it's simply not possible to stop someone from jumping away after submitting to an interdiction.
(well, unless they're in a sidewinder and you're in a python armed with nothing but railguns or dumbfire missiles... but that's hardly realistic)
Ok. All the masslock talk right now is easily solved. OP, Get yourself an Anaconda. That thing masslocks everything around it very well. That's 2 birds with one stone, because you'll start hating people like yourself in the process, who keep you from reaching your goals. Making a career out of ruining other peoples' day is just lame and antisocial. The fact that it's possible, but very hard is just the way it's supposed to be. Isn't the saying "Crime doesn't pay"? There you have it.
As long as there's no mechanic that punishes or outlaws pirates enough, there's never going to be a balance, thus it will always feel unfair. When I was trading I always had overhead moneywise in case of pirating, cause you need to be aware of it. But now when there's 1000 pirates all around the two or three hot rare locations, and no mechanic that makes it sensible to defend against them or hunt them down, you'll get complaints and bad attitudes.
OP: ing and moaning because someone runs away is just pathetic, nobody's forced you to be a pirate. It's fine wanting changes, but you have to play the game for what it is _now_.
That's assuming that there is nobody out there who likes the risk of being interdicted by pirates.
And you know what they say about assuming... it just makes an a** out of u and me.
People ARE able to choose their interactions in open. If you get interdicted, you do the minigame to fight the interdiction, or you submit and fight/flee.
But submitting shouldn't be a "get out of trouble free" card.
It shouldn't be an automatic escape.
I know how this feels. From a gameplay mechanic aspect it makes absolutely no sense at all for your target to gain an escape advantage from willfully submitting. I think it would make more sense if submitting to interdiction merely caused both parties to enter normal space just like they had safely disengaged from supercruise (because that's really what it is anyways). Both parties will come in traveling forward and taking no hull damage. Heck, I'd even give the prey the benefit of the doubt here and say that if they submit only they should come out straight and take no damage while their interdictor should wobble around and take slight hull damage. Still much more fair than being able to instantly supercruise away.
Oh and for those of you that are interested in statistics, I keep track of all of my interdictions and I can tell you that 5.67% of my targets combat log. And that is still too much. A tiny bit irrelevant but someone else mentioned it so I just thought I'd throw my two cents in.
Oh and for those of you that are interested in statistics, I keep track of all of my interdictions and I can tell you that 5.67% of my targets combat log. And that is still too much. A tiny bit irrelevant but someone else mentioned it so I just thought I'd throw my two cents in.
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Actually, there IS a simple fix.
Just make the FSD cooldown the normal length even if submitting.
In reference to Jaws: "You need a bigger boat!". You are biting off more than you and your Cobra can chew. Only target ships that you can damage enough in the short FSD cooling time that giving up some cargo is a better deal for them. To take on the medium and large freighters you probably need a heavily armed Python.