Rammers at George Lucas Station
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Nonya
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Heh. Ramming at stations, too funny.
I've done it before at the busy stations (read: Lave sector) but only when other players were in my way coming and going.
I'm usually too busy on a trade run or going to/fro a CZ/RES to just "hang out" at a station and ram other CMDRs.
Now if I ever get really, really bored that might be something to look into.
I've done it before at the busy stations (read: Lave sector) but only when other players were in my way coming and going.
I'm usually too busy on a trade run or going to/fro a CZ/RES to just "hang out" at a station and ram other CMDRs.
Now if I ever get really, really bored that might be something to look into.
I never said that hacking was ok; I only said that we didn't hack. Also, you are hilarious. You and your friend jumped out 3 times each to refresh your shields while we stayed in the instance. You ALMOST got my shields down before you jumped out the first time because I had 4 pips to engines and 2 into weapons; none into shields. After I realized that you guys couldn't get a bar and we left because you two were boring. I never said you were crappy pilots. I don't say rude things to people in game unless they start with the rude comments. I did say that neither of you have a good understanding of the game mechanics after you both accuse us of hacking/cheating/etc without anything other than hearsay. This is true, clearly, because you're still going on about this nonsense.
Lol.. why would you get a wanted tag. If you don't collide you don't get one... if there's no collision, just a gliding... you don't get one. Maybe I need it explained to me with crayons...
The No Fire Zone is really the Station control zone with a zero tolerance policy on infractions
That's part of the problem though. These so-called 'players' have suspiciously huge wallets. Fines and bounties are meaningless to them.
Doing God's Work
Given God's well-documented, insatiable appetite for sacrifices of all kinds, however, we can safely conclude that God does take delight in thousands of rams, and that ramming must, consequently, be a good thing.
Should we thus label God a "griefer" and condemn Him for His holy delight in ramming?
I think not.
Therefore, let us all take delight in thousands of rams, so that we may all be like unto the Lord, and please Him with our untiring faith and obedience to His Word.
As we can see, ramming is not a new problem. But since Micah does not specifically answer these rhetorical questions, it may not be entirely clear to the casual observer whether ramming is a good thing or a bad thing in the eyes of the Lord.
Given God's well-documented, insatiable appetite for sacrifices of all kinds, however, we can safely conclude that God does take delight in thousands of rams, and that ramming must, consequently, be a good thing.
Should we thus label God a "griefer" and condemn Him for His holy delight in ramming?
I think not.
Therefore, let us all take delight in thousands of rams, so that we may all be like unto the Lord, and please Him with our untiring faith and obedience to His Word.
I clipped a couple, side blows, which I think [hope] were minor. First time I was coming in hot, a Wanted status on my head (after shooting a Clean Zaonce Jet Gang wing member) and had boosted. As I got to the entrance I see another ship (I think it was an Asp) on the green side of the slot going into the station at a crawl. It was too late to stop, and there was no way I could move up or down. I briefly considered 'nudging' him up the rear but quickly decided against it as my speed was too high for it to be considered a polite way of saying "get a move on". I had to go in via the red side, but I was trying to stay as central as possible just in case another ship decided to head out. Thought I'd got past but then there was a bump. Not sure whether (s)he turned into me or the back of my ship just extended a little too much. Would have liked to have apologised, but I didn't have time to find out who it was, and then I found out my Rotational Correction was turned off, so it was a messy docking. Can't recall who else I bumped but it was minor and I've experienced lots of similar incidents when inside the stations. I wish I'd made a note of the speed I was travelling, as I'd like to know whether I'd be guilty under the new rule system. I think I need to practise going in and out at the new 'speed limit'.
I was wondering whether any rammers had wandered over to Zaonce but I didn't see any, nor did I see any when I left George Lucas earlier on, otherwise I might have lingered a little. Maybe they've gone elsewhere to pick on players for the time being.
I'm wondering if there should be a more sophisticated AI that controls the station defences, at the moment it just seems to be based on a few simple rules.
to a human observer it would be obvious if someone's playing silly person inside a station by intentional ramming or whatever, An AI might be able to monitor behaviour and provide a more 'realistic' response. Adding a fine for ramming above a certain speed sounds like the addition of just another simple rule.
Just a thought anyway.
to a human observer it would be obvious if someone's playing silly person inside a station by intentional ramming or whatever, An AI might be able to monitor behaviour and provide a more 'realistic' response. Adding a fine for ramming above a certain speed sounds like the addition of just another simple rule.
Just a thought anyway.
From George Lucas local chat yesterday evening:
[CMDR S]: i play this from the start beta
[CMDR S]: they cant ban me and thats how it is
[CMDR S]: rammed over 55 players today 49 died*
[CMDR S]: i am a pro rammer
[CMDR S]: i killed 4 clippers today also 1 ram instant kill them
* and several more later. And he's there again today.
His plan after the crime fix is to wait in the station entrance in a stealth sidewinder. A unsuspecting ship enters above the 100 speed limit, collides, and is killed by the station.
I hope FD aren't stupid enough to give a station ban or death penalty (rather than a fine) for a single offence.
Yes. The mark of a rammer is repeated collisions. The game should detect that for the severe punishments.
[CMDR S]: i play this from the start beta
[CMDR S]: they cant ban me and thats how it is
[CMDR S]: rammed over 55 players today 49 died*
[CMDR S]: i am a pro rammer
[CMDR S]: i killed 4 clippers today also 1 ram instant kill them
* and several more later. And he's there again today.
His plan after the crime fix is to wait in the station entrance in a stealth sidewinder. A unsuspecting ship enters above the 100 speed limit, collides, and is killed by the station.
I hope FD aren't stupid enough to give a station ban or death penalty (rather than a fine) for a single offence.
Yes. The mark of a rammer is repeated collisions. The game should detect that for the severe punishments.
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My friend jumped out once and then back in, I didn't do it at all
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I unfriended him because or this and because he asked me to get his credits up with an exploit later
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Your friend sent me those messages, not you
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I never used the word Hack, I simply asked how it was possible the station didn't kill your friend
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Your friend is a known cheater, google his name and exploit and you will find multiple threads on reddit of where he used to use the dumbfires to kill people in stations as well as other things
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So it's not hearsay, he's admitted it before so I know he is, if your going to hang around with a known exploiter who admitted it and who has suffered a ban in the past but for it lifted, then be prepared to suffer the consequences and be accused also
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Then we should obey the new speed limit and wave as we enter the station
Recently I have been playing in Mobius Group and occasionally checking out what's happening in and around Lave in Open Mode.
It's the oddest thing but, when I play in Open Mode, I get rammed in stations or entering or leaving stations. When I play in the Group Mode, I have NEVER collided with another ship (player or AI) and that includes the many times that I've had to get in fast to avoid being scanned.
(edit) OK - there was that time when I scraped the wall a bit but I was busy texting - it would have been rude not to reply
It's the oddest thing but, when I play in Open Mode, I get rammed in stations or entering or leaving stations. When I play in the Group Mode, I have NEVER collided with another ship (player or AI) and that includes the many times that I've had to get in fast to avoid being scanned.
(edit) OK - there was that time when I scraped the wall a bit but I was busy texting - it would have been rude not to reply
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These threads get closed down mostly because of naming and shaming (which is really hard not to do because it's pretty much one guy responsible for 90% of this and I suspect most of us know his name).
Edit: apart from FD aparently ... this guy has been "griefing" (and I'm pretty darn sure I'm using the correct definition of that word here) since December but amazingly he still hasn't been banned to the naughty step (aka. Private solo group all by himself). Either that or his actions are deemed acceptable.
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I was watching a Cmdr in an FDL being shot at by two cops and the station the other day as he had small bounty on his head. It was multi-cannon fire that was being shot at him by the station, but he was far enough away and mobile enough that he wasn't hit by much of it. He jumped away before two cops could properly engage him but by then he was out of range of the station.
It made me wonder what would happen if two wings of four were to open fire on the rammers at the same time (or near enough the same time); whether the station would concentrate fire on the first Cmdr to let loose, or if it would spread its fire amongst the group. If it shared the pain the two wings could survive long enough to deliver some 'home grown justice', with the small inconvenience of a bounty (for the time being) and the odd rebuy cost if unlucky. Would be nice to get that on video, and there'd be enough POVs to edit it into a really good one, too.
It made me wonder what would happen if two wings of four were to open fire on the rammers at the same time (or near enough the same time); whether the station would concentrate fire on the first Cmdr to let loose, or if it would spread its fire amongst the group. If it shared the pain the two wings could survive long enough to deliver some 'home grown justice', with the small inconvenience of a bounty (for the time being) and the odd rebuy cost if unlucky. Would be nice to get that on video, and there'd be enough POVs to edit it into a really good one, too.
Well "this guy" does nothing against the rules. If they change the rules, he changes his behavior to stay within the rules. And seriosly, i have some respect for the guy - he plays the game in the way he wants without breaking the rules. Some people may not like him, but keeping it up for so long should demand some respect.
And so far we have nothing new from FD, so we have to wait for the 1.3 final changes. And this will decide how this game will be played later. We need a fast way to get our opponents out of the way and we will take the risk anyway, even a 7 day bounty.
And so far we have nothing new from FD, so we have to wait for the 1.3 final changes. And this will decide how this game will be played later. We need a fast way to get our opponents out of the way and we will take the risk anyway, even a 7 day bounty.
Report the commander and see how much his or her beta blah does for him.
You would be. The 100 (m/s?...surely not, that's like 360km/h or 220mph) speed limit is a c_r_a_w_l! I've been trying to keep my speed under the 100 limit and even with the clumsy python (coming from piloting a clipper, vulture...) I get frustrated and go to the "blue zone", best handling speed, after halfway down the station or closing-in-run. It seems stupid to have a few rotten apples spoil the gameplay of the vast majority by making FD do half-*ssed limitations like that to the game. Seriously, there would better solutions to the problem as it is very limited at the moment. Just a single human spending a few hours a day reading collision reports that commanders file, would show clearly how some commanders get into collisions more than they should - Question them about it and if they can't give a satisfiable answer, it's just a matter of deciding the length of the solo banishment.
The whereabouts of each player are known to the game, it doesn´t take FD any real effort to read which commanders were in-flight near or in the station at the time a collision is reported. And if there is a log keeping problem, just have the game record all the commanders present within a kilometre IF a commander fatality is recorded in the no-fire zone. The real culprits would pop up even if the rammed commander could not report a name of the offender. The game is made for US, the paying customers. If a few persons make the life of others miserable, they should be stopped - it´s as simple as that.
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Yes, it's a remarkable persistence, but "respect" is not the word I would choose.
The word here is "victims" not "opponents". There's a difference.
Griefers have victims not opponents.
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