Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

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mrtree

mrtree
Jmanis said:
With massive thanks to Wishblend (rep+), I've finished cutting up the recordings needed to complete the alphabet (linked here ).

What use is this? I don't know tbh. You could use them to create other "words" which could be emitted from a UA in the right place (like RAXXLA, for example ), though it's not much use if you don't know where to put the UA to generate that pattern. What it could be used for I guess is to verify if a recording is wildly different to an expected recording. I don't really have much left to contribute on this front. If you can find a use for the alphabet, by all means go for it :)

For now, I'm running with a hunch (the sort of hunch that sent me all the way to the bovomit sector for, ultimately no reason), but if anyone comes across Trinkets of Hidden Fortune, let me know. Ships carrying them spawn in WSS, but damned if they aren't really rare,, more often than not the ships that spawn in WSS when you dont have a salvage mission carry indium only. I came across one carrying trinkets, but dammit I forgot to load limpets for my hatch breaker, and shooting the cargo hatch off an adder without blowing it isn't easy with C2 beams :/
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You've done excellent work, thanks for putting this together. It's kinda too bad we don't have a way to pipe audio back at the UA, AFAIK.
 

Wishblend

Wishblend
clavain said:
Possibly - but scientific investigation is about process (the scientific method) and not predetermining your results, then "finding" that result in your data.



I would have more faith in results based on systems with no stations/inhabited planets/nav beacons, so that we know the Morse is not just system background noise.If we can't have someone who knows Morse that is unconnected from the game/system source of the recording listen to it and decode it for us, perhaps someone can go to those systems as well without a UA, target the sun and other planets, and see if there is any chittering or Morse in the background noise just to be sure as well, and record it if necessary? Also, do we have recordings of Nav Beacons and Station Chatter to compare against?



This I agree with 100% :)

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Here is another idea - someone submit a player-written Galnet piece to Frontier along the lines of "UA mystery solved! Aliens use Morse code broadcast of system/station name!" and see if they publish it unaltered. If they do, that should confirm it. The ED equivalent of scientific peer review...
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It is only partly solved so the post should reflect that.
 

mrtree

mrtree
Dr.Evanzan said:
I think you are getting a bit too hung up on approach; it doesn't really matter whether the approach used is top-down or bottom-up as long as it stays consistent with the data.
What is notable about the details that Jmanis/QorbeQ have been deciphering is that subsequent results have continued to back up the initial theory rather than undermine it - which almost certainly would have happened by now if there was nothing in this.

Anyway, this discussion will soon be put to bed when Wishblend gets a recording of EKURU A 1 to compare to the 'artificially' generated version created by Jmanis.

On another note, I think Wishblend deserves a medal for all her hard work on these experiments.
I've lost count of the number of tests she has successfully performed now without losing the UA.
As I sadly found out myself, it is all too easy to accidentally lose a UA.
Props also to Ratking15 for his efforts as guardian of the 2nd UA.
Can I propose that they are both hailed as 'Custodian' rank from this point forth?
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So much this. A huge thanks to Wishblend & RatKing! That UA literally noms your systems. I'd lose 5% of just about every module flying in normal space for 15 minutes, ~2-4k repair bill upon landing.
 

clavain

clavain
But maybe we have the Morse wrong - could it be ENTER AND WIN, and the Thargoids are offering us the chance of a lifetime in an intergalactic lottery?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=143365

Edit: Page 8 and following of that thread have some of the reasons why folks thought it was not Morse code, most of which are meaningless to me, perhaps one of you understand them.

Edit 2: And SteveLaw's point on page 2 of that thread is a pretty good one also. Where is he these days? Has he given up on us?

Edit 3: And more on the earlier audio analysis and the inconclusiveness of it being Morse code: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142912

So hopefully you can see now why I have my doubts still?
 
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mrtree

mrtree
morbidorbits said:
@mrtree

Well done CMDR!! Did you have any specific equipment (such as auto-repair modules), or did you just get to a station really quickly ?
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Nothing special. I had a cargo scanner & a wake shift scanner (my loadout on getting it - http://edshipyard.com/#/L=707,7u57u54yH0Wg3RO3h00_g,2-6Q4s4s2C4s3m5A,7Pc7fO4xo03w03w2UI). I've ditched the Wake Scanner for a second shield booster & swapped out the SCB/second rack for two AFMs.

In total, I've probably spent 40-60 hours in-game dropping into WSS/USS hunting for the UA. I find it interesting that I got one almost exactly 2 months from when RedWizzard nabbed his.
 

mrtree

mrtree
Chaodiurn said:
Bloody actually isn't bloody censored.

I tried today for about 4 hours to get my hands on an UA in Timocani, all by interdicting NPC ships, waiting at the nav beacon and searching USS / WSS / SSS. Ended the search when my Python got destroyed by 6 elite Vultures in a SSS. Scanned T7 and T9 ships, just to be sure. Lots of military weapon transports though. Guess many here tried harder, just to share my bad luck in that regard.
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If it's any consolation, I spent ~30 hours at it this past week or so & another 40-50 during the May events. This was the first time I'd even seen the convoy. They're just pretty rare.
 

Wishblend

Wishblend
mrtree said:
So much this. A huge thanks to Wishblend & RatKing! That UA literally noms your systems. I'd lose 5% of just about every module flying in normal space for 15 minutes, ~2-4k repair bill upon landing.
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Travel with 1 or 2 repair modules, then you can fix your ship, watch your cargo hold :)
 

marx

marx
While we're waiting for the sounds from Ekura A 1, I have a question: did anybody try to take the UA to Witch's Reach? It requires a permit to enter, but as far as we know, that permit is not obtainable. (See this list.) It's unlikely to yield any results, I know, but as far as I can tell, it hasn't been tried before.

Update: my, that was quick. Thanks! I'd rep if I could.
 
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QorbeQ

QorbeQ
clavain said:
But maybe we have the Morse wrong - could it be ENTER AND WIN, and the Thargoids are offering us the change of a lifetime in an intergalactic lottery?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=143365

Edit: Page 8 and following of that thread have some of the reasons why folks thought it was not Morse code, most of which are meaningless to me, perhaps one of you understand them.

Edit 2: And SteveLaw's point on page 2 of that thread is a pretty good one also. Where is he these days? Has he given up on us?

Edit 3: And more on the earlier audio analysis and the inconclusiveness of it being Morse code: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142912

So hopefully you can see now why I have my doubts still?
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I do understand that a "morse angle" has been investigated ad-infinitum before and discounted, but as far as I'm aware this was two things.

Firstly, the "purrs" were the main focus of investigation, and all efforts to decode those (using morse or otherwise) have failed so far.

Secondly, someone said "that's just the morse from the station" and everyone stopped looking at any morse.

We have proven that the morse that we have heard isn't from a station and that it is incorporated in the "chittering" which I don't think had been looked at much.

Steve Law's post makes a massive assumption - that the UA is not of human origin. It is also worth considering that, if FD were to make up a wholly alien lexicon, then we would stand no chance of discovering anything other than maybe some repetition or pattern - decoding it would be impossible without essentially being told that fact.

It is also very convenient from a coding point of view to take the same morse-generating engine that already exists in-game and tweak the output to sound "alien". Perhaps FD weren't expecting us to pick up on the morse - but then why feed it with system-specific data when you could just feed it a fixed string of meaningless letters instead.

Hence, I consider the use of morse to be deliberate on FD's part - the convenience of incoporating it in the soundscape, the inherent decodability by us muppets, but still mysterious and hidden enough to hold our attention.
 

morbidorbits

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mrtree said:
Nothing special. I had a cargo scanner & a wake shift scanner (my loadout on getting it - http://edshipyard.com/#/L=707,7u57u54yH0Wg3RO3h00_g,2-6Q4s4s2C4s3m5A,7Pc7fO4xo03w03w2UI). I've ditched the Wake Scanner for a second shield booster & swapped out the SCB/second rack for two AFMs.

In total, I've probably spent 40-60 hours in-game dropping into WSS/USS hunting for the UA. I find it interesting that I got one almost exactly 2 months from when RedWizzard nabbed his.
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Thanks, very useful to know.
 

clavain

clavain
QorbeQ said:
I do understand that a "morse angle" has been investigated ad-infinitum before and discounted, but as far as I'm aware this was two things.

Firstly, the "purrs" were the main focus of investigation, and all efforts to decode those (using morse or otherwise) have failed so far.
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First thread above I am pretty sure is the chittering, not the purrs. Not sure about the second as I don't want to wade through it all again.

Secondly, someone said "that's just the morse from the station" and everyone stopped looking at any morse.
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Actually, see page 8 of the first thread for some of the technical reasons they thought it was not Morse. More in the second thread. It was not just "it's the station background noise".

We have proven that the morse that we have heard isn't from a station and that it is incorporated in the "chittering" which I don't think had been looked at much.
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I'm still not convinced that the Morse you have "heard" is not just the chittering reconfigured in your head to match the results you want to "hear". Have you compared the recording against a recording of the station or nav beacon?

Steve Law's post makes a massive assumption - that the UA is not of human origin. It is also worth considering that, if FD were to make up a wholly alien lexicon, then we would stand no chance of discovering anything other than maybe some repetition or pattern - decoding it would be impossible without essentially being told that fact.

It is also very convenient from a coding point of view to take the same morse-generating engine that already exists in-game and tweak the output to sound "alien". Perhaps FD weren't expecting us to pick up on the morse - but then why feed it with system-specific data when you could just feed it a fixed string of meaningless letters instead.

Hence, I consider the use of morse to be deliberate on FD's part - the convenience of incoporating it in the soundscape, the inherent decodability by us muppets, but still mysterious and hidden enough to hold our attention.
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These points hold more water than the analysis so far for me - but again I go back to the backward nature of starting with a result and making the chittering fit it, rather than analysing the chittering to see what it is (and the need for an expert, who admitted it was garbled and missing letters, to do so). I also note that in one of the above threads, someone took the chittering from one of the UAs, wrote it out as Morse, and noted that there were 17,000 different possible combinations of letters it could be.

Again, I hope you are right but am not entirely convinced. FD blessing it in a Galnet post would convince me.
 
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Han_Zen

Han_Zen
clavain said:
Again, I hope you are right but am not entirely convinced. FD blessing it in a Galnet post would convince me.
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I suggest downloading the Jmains letters(linked here ). and listen to them in a soud program with visualization. It helped me and I'm basicaly tone deaf and unable to get anything from the Twitch recordings.
 

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Siddius

Siddius
mrtree said:
Yes. No effect. And last night, I destroyed a nav beacon & swapped the UA in it's place. Also no effect.
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Do you know if anyone's taken one out to the recent plague* outbreak systems? not sure what they'd have to do there, but it was the only idea i noticed from 111 of kerrash landing
 
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