I just want to thank you guys for interacting on the forums like this.
It is extremly valuable for several reasons and I hope you continue.
Just don't forget to work on the game
I personally am quite active on the forums and always have been
Perceived unfairness, or how to make people angry.
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I personally am quite active on the forums and always have been
Im sorry the Archon Delaine weapon is practically useless A small Beam laser do a better job then the Cytoscrambler cause of its limited range
Allso since its a small slot item wich is supposed to be used for piracy with 500 meter max range u gonna need a nimble small ship wich means
you end up withou much cargo space at all.... So all in all this weapon is useless for piracy .... , on making weapons stick to factions just make
so you cant repair them unless you in the faction owning them.... That way they will slowly decay and waste away.
Another thing About Archon Delaine how about adding a bonus to STOLEN goods (wich is pirating) as we supposed to be a pirate power ,
compared to what we are now wich is a smuggling/trade power. (especially after the (nerf)Balancing)) of the black market bonuses we had...
Oh and sorry about my bad grammer . Im not english or american
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The difference is that in the second case you will see the same thing happen again and again for other powers in future where as the first case has already ensured that doesn't happen.
Deadlock989
Banned
Doesn't matter. If the "game" goes in a direction that FD don't like they'll just move the goalposts anyway. How the board was arranged at the start is irrelevant when no-one can predict next week's rules.
You know what they say: Ask a dumb question...
They are not mutually exclusive statements. (You slipped up by including "so far", try again.)
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Thanks for your time Mike!
That's as maybe, but the changes you brought here were extremely swift, in fact the very day they became apparent to most of us.
There has been a serious inbalance of ships in the game now since... well since forever, with the Empire getting all the good stuff, the Federation getting a joke ship, and the Alliance getting nothing. We've been on about that for ages. Even Empire supporting players have brought it up often. We hear nothing.
Then of course an Empire power gets the shields etc.
I am not saying there is bias at all. I know the development of Elite is ongoing. But sometimes it really does look as if there is.
This doesn't explain why Hudson's overheads are exactly the same now as they were when Arissa was going down in flames with an overhead of 5,425. Whatever was done to fix Arissa's overheads has only affected Arissa's overheads. It may be the case that the intention is to affect Hudson's overheads as well, but this hasn't happened - at least not in this cycle. And that's the problem - it looks like Arissa was given a golden handout that no one else is qualified to get.
Basically right now it looks like the overhead calculation consists of two parts. if( power == Arissa ) {/*low overhead calculation*/} else {/*high overhead calculation*/}. Maybe it's simply a matter of the game caching old data and showing that to the players, but it still comes across as being massively unfair, because it looks like there's one set of rules for one group (Arissa) and another set of rules for another group (everyone else).
That's why I called this thread perceived unfairness. We're not privy to what actually happens - we can only judge by the outcome, and the outcome isn't flattering.
Deadlock989
Banned
Right, I get it. So it just looks like you only rescued one faction when really you've rescued them all, for all time.
Is PowerPlay a game that can be won, then? Pretty sure that win conditions are kind of integral to the definition of a "game".
Or is it some kind of perpetual struggle designed to illustrate a more philosophical premise?
Unfortunately modern gaming is ALL about the grind for the best item. And PP is no different I’m afraid.
Hello Commander CMDR Malkov!
We'll make sure that Archon does not suffer destruction because of any issues that the system experiences.
Hello Commander iAmLegion!
I can sympathize with the sentiment of your argument, but the fact remains that we (developers) do not want a system where players are able to unwittingly destroy their own power in such a short time, regardless of who the power is.
This really does not have much to do with power-to-power interaction - if your fellow supporters act more cohesively and with better strategy than those of Arissa's then you should still get the appropriate benefits.
At the end of the day, the powers were never going (or meant) to be completely fair in distribution and strength, it would make no sense. If everyone flocks to join the ranks of a single power, then that power is going to have the potential to dominate human space and crush smaller powers. This isn't a given though; effort and strategy play their part.
Make no mistake, there are a *lot* of supporters of Arissa Lavigny-Duval, making her a force to be reckoned (she certainly didn't climb the galactic standings of her own accord), but I know for a fact that Senator Torval's supporters, though much, much fewer in number, have been (so far) very effective, letting her "punch well above her weight".
Powerplay was created to support three ideas: character-based, larger scale interactions (this is additive - it does not replace the minor faction interactions), which is driven by players, and that has dynamic effects for all players to experience.
That supporters can, through sheer effort, strategy or brute force, change the outcome of these power struggles, is a pretty cool concept. And there are personal rewards for doing that, which we'll be keeping an eye on. But past this, what supporters of Powerplay are doing is defining a narrative that everyone potentially experiences, as all powers have various control effects.
Because in reality, power movement and interaction is dictated by Commanders, so Powerplay is, to a greater degree, simply a reflection of the ideals of the player base.
If you want your power to do well, then you need to work hard and encourage other Commanders to join you. Powers will live and die by the support of their Commanders and the actions of their enemies; you may not succeed, but regardless, you're always adding to the story.
Hope this info helps a bit.
We'll make sure that Archon does not suffer destruction because of any issues that the system experiences.
Hello Commander iAmLegion!
I can sympathize with the sentiment of your argument, but the fact remains that we (developers) do not want a system where players are able to unwittingly destroy their own power in such a short time, regardless of who the power is.
This really does not have much to do with power-to-power interaction - if your fellow supporters act more cohesively and with better strategy than those of Arissa's then you should still get the appropriate benefits.
At the end of the day, the powers were never going (or meant) to be completely fair in distribution and strength, it would make no sense. If everyone flocks to join the ranks of a single power, then that power is going to have the potential to dominate human space and crush smaller powers. This isn't a given though; effort and strategy play their part.
Make no mistake, there are a *lot* of supporters of Arissa Lavigny-Duval, making her a force to be reckoned (she certainly didn't climb the galactic standings of her own accord), but I know for a fact that Senator Torval's supporters, though much, much fewer in number, have been (so far) very effective, letting her "punch well above her weight".
Powerplay was created to support three ideas: character-based, larger scale interactions (this is additive - it does not replace the minor faction interactions), which is driven by players, and that has dynamic effects for all players to experience.
That supporters can, through sheer effort, strategy or brute force, change the outcome of these power struggles, is a pretty cool concept. And there are personal rewards for doing that, which we'll be keeping an eye on. But past this, what supporters of Powerplay are doing is defining a narrative that everyone potentially experiences, as all powers have various control effects.
Because in reality, power movement and interaction is dictated by Commanders, so Powerplay is, to a greater degree, simply a reflection of the ideals of the player base.
If you want your power to do well, then you need to work hard and encourage other Commanders to join you. Powers will live and die by the support of their Commanders and the actions of their enemies; you may not succeed, but regardless, you're always adding to the story.
Hope this info helps a bit.
See Sandy's post above but basically it's not about winning, it's about crafting a narrative that is under the control of the entire community.
Unfortunately modern gaming is ALL about the grind for the best item. And PP is no different I’m afraid.
For that statement to be true that would have to apply to "ALL gaming". It doesn't apply to me...therefore it's false.
There is plenty of other examples too, but all I need to disprove your claim is written above.
So is it a design flaw then? Sorry, but I'm having a hard time getting to the point.
Isn't winning the actual point of the individual powers' struggle? To me, this sounds more like you want to actually take away the freedom of control from the players, making PP more a smoke and mirrors affair.
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Deadlock989
Banned
Right, so the latter. Not a game. Thanks for clearing that up.
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That sounds incredibly attractive. And here was me thinking I was playing a game for entertainment purposes, as some kind of break from working my fingers to the bone in the real world rat race.
Instead I'm being offered to the opportunity to "work really hard" to "craft a narrative" and "add to the story".
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Some kind of PP faction specific communication system would go a long way to reduce faction destruction to purely witting actions.
Difficult without any way to encourage them in the game. Right now people have to rely on 3rd party sites like Reddit for anything resembling organization.Sandro Sammarco said:
PP has great potential and my favorite part is how clearly influence shows on the galaxy map.
While I DO have a lot of opinions about mainly the rank, merit and payment system the one main oddity for me is the following:
As an Empire supporter for Arissa (because I genuinly LIKED her political stance) we can go to a FED or ALL controlled system, prepare it for expansion and take it over for our Empire political faction.
Now, the Emperor is still in power and regular diplomacy and politics are in effect. YET, our PP faction is allowed to impose faction laws and ultimately IMPERIAL laws on systems ruled by another major power.
Should not the major factions have EXTREME issues with a foreign power pushing their laws on their citizens. And what would the implications be to a PP faction when the (in this case) Empire get into a diplomatic incident due to what the Emperors relatives are doing?
It would be like France or Russia changing local state laws in South Carolina and USA allows it but is technically still in charge.
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Omg developers actually communicating, I must be day-dreaming...
Thank you for coming out and addressing some of the concerns of the playerbase.
"If you want your power to do well, then you need to work hard and encourage other Commanders to join you."
Please tell me how can I work hard to get into enemy faction players' solo modes so I can stop them? Tell me how to convince other players to join Archon when we are the punching bag for in-game moral high grounds and have Cytoscrambler as our faction weapon?
"It's about crafting a narrative that is under the control of the entire community."
Allow me to paraphrase: "it's about crafting a narrative that is under the control of the entire Solo community."
"See Sandy's post above but basically it's not about winning."
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No wonder why I question pretty much every decision by FD... the fundamental philosophy of this franchise and developers are completely anti-PvP/competitive play...
So much for blazing one's own trail...
Thank you for coming out and addressing some of the concerns of the playerbase.
"If you want your power to do well, then you need to work hard and encourage other Commanders to join you."
Please tell me how can I work hard to get into enemy faction players' solo modes so I can stop them? Tell me how to convince other players to join Archon when we are the punching bag for in-game moral high grounds and have Cytoscrambler as our faction weapon?
"It's about crafting a narrative that is under the control of the entire community."
Allow me to paraphrase: "it's about crafting a narrative that is under the control of the entire Solo community."
"See Sandy's post above but basically it's not about winning."
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No wonder why I question pretty much every decision by FD... the fundamental philosophy of this franchise and developers are completely anti-PvP/competitive play...
So much for blazing one's own trail...
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