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Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn
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Actually I think it is (a dead end)...
I'm sure this is all rehashed ground.
The crystals being referred to in "Answer the Call of Adventure" are the crystals in the SAP8s (see "The Silent Song of Spheres" mission) :
SO SAP8s are foot long data storage crystals containing data which is thought to be a map. Possibly the 12 cannisters attached to the UA.
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Just about to head off for my flights and enter pretty much read-only mode.
I was listening to this again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYWolEEM_e0&t=1769
I can't help but think of a time I wrote a basic puzzle in a D&D adventure. Party was trapped in a locked room, a little statue against the wall with an open mouth, and a little demi-religious prose scrawled somewhere about with a line about "drinking your fill". There was a key attached to a cork in the mouth of the statue, and the party just needed to pour water in it's mouth to get it out. I thought that was pretty obvious.
They inspected the statue, read the verse, then tried knocking the door down, looked for traps, and spent about 10 minutes doing everything they could with the statue, except fill it with water. Eventually, they decided to smash it open, and with no imminent danger, I let them. As soon as I described the cork attached to the key, they knew exactly what was *meant* to happen.
tl;dr I thought my clue was obvious, but it clearly wasn't. I wonder if it's something obvious like that.
Kerrash said a while back "Are we even sure it's morse?". I've always said it's heavily stylised morse, but I'd also argue it's something based on morse (why it can be broken up like that), but there's "something extra" thrown in which makes it sound different, and it's that "something else" that might have more in it that we've just overlooked.
Anyways, good luck for the next month!
I was listening to this again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYWolEEM_e0&t=1769
I can't help but think of a time I wrote a basic puzzle in a D&D adventure. Party was trapped in a locked room, a little statue against the wall with an open mouth, and a little demi-religious prose scrawled somewhere about with a line about "drinking your fill". There was a key attached to a cork in the mouth of the statue, and the party just needed to pour water in it's mouth to get it out. I thought that was pretty obvious.
They inspected the statue, read the verse, then tried knocking the door down, looked for traps, and spent about 10 minutes doing everything they could with the statue, except fill it with water. Eventually, they decided to smash it open, and with no imminent danger, I let them. As soon as I described the cork attached to the key, they knew exactly what was *meant* to happen.
tl;dr I thought my clue was obvious, but it clearly wasn't. I wonder if it's something obvious like that.
Kerrash said a while back "Are we even sure it's morse?". I've always said it's heavily stylised morse, but I'd also argue it's something based on morse (why it can be broken up like that), but there's "something extra" thrown in which makes it sound different, and it's that "something else" that might have more in it that we've just overlooked.
Anyways, good luck for the next month!
What about:
UN <KN> OWN <AR> TEFA <CT> ?
Hah, I like it! However:
<KN>, <AR> and <CT> are all Morse pro-signs.
<KN> - Invitation to a specific named station to transmit
<AR> - Stop copying - end of message
<CT> - Commencing Transmission
See: here
Does the <CT> and <AR> help 'frame' the message, since these should mark the beginning and end of a transmission, I'd assume.
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Hey nice idea. Makes it much easier to see the segments when they come up again. Hmm, maybe something will emerge with more data..?
Also co-occurance might be interesting to look at. So segment X appears before Y, N times. Another thing I've seen is segments appearing next to their reverse, like in the segments 4, 5 & 6 in the CMDR Branch's Mars sequence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSXPWcJst78):
?|-''--|-''-'|'-'--|-'--'|'--'-|-'--'|'--''-|-'-''|'-''-?<scoop>
Here's my take on LHS 3006 outside Leonard Nemoy station (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Eo9PrSfwEQ)
?|--''-|--'--|''--'|-'--'|--'--'|'-'-'-|<scoop>
Nice work collecting together the sequences!
Yeah the varying group size is odd. Going along the same lines as Wishblend's purple/green changing ratio theory, I wonder if the size of the purr groups increase the closer you get to where you're meant to be. So we'd get more of the "message" the closer we get to the location.
I guess that still wouldn't explain the change in group size during ratking15's tests, but could be interesting to see if that varies on location (e.g. picking 4 points on opposite ends of civilized space).
Great images.
Good views of the markings and the "Mayan" symbols on the inside of the pods.
Has anyone spotted the little sad faced alien?
I wondered what stringing these together and putting them into a MC translator would yield, but it turns out that morse code is a ternay code, with dot, dash and space. Once you remove the spaces between letters it becomes dreadfully ambiguous the longer the morse code string gets.
There's an interesting stack overflow thread here (http://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/34067/is-morse-code-without-spaces-uniquely-decipherable) about it with links to other threads with various solutions, but it seems to become a tricky problem to extract a meaningful set of words once the string gets too long.
[edit] Though I guess we've got token sequences of 5-6 or so, so might not be too bad..
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As mentioned above - <CT> is a prosign can be thought of as "copy this", hence I assume that marks the beginning of the message. <AR> means "all received", so presumably is the end.
<KN> is a call to a specific station to broadcast. Where does the "location morse" fit into this message, i.e. before or after?
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Thinking aloud.
Nav beacons broadcast themselves? Do they broadcast on Morse? Is the Nav beacon's broadcast causing interference in (what is likely to be) the UAs broadcast? Is the Nav beacon contaminating a 'pure' UA signal, giving us a false/positive on the UA using Morse?
Alternatively, is it picking up the ID for a location from our own scanner?
"Are you sure it's Morse?" The only thing I can see that would cast doubt on it being Morse is the UA somehow picking something up from us with is contaminating the UA broadcast.
The only thing I can think of is to run a test with the ship's scanner disabled, hell all of the modules, if this hasn't been done before.
What about:
UN <KN> OWN <AR> TEFA <CT> ?
Heh!
So working on the basis that this is what it's saying.
I have tried making it say this and can *kind of* if I start flipping the meaning of bits and certain points (which is kinda stupid if you think about it, in a binary system I could make it say anything)
But anyway let's just hypothesize it is, why the chuff would it be saying that?!
Perhaps it's what the player has targeted at that time?
I know, it makes no sense! But it's the only thing I can come up with why it would actually say that.
I suppose look at it this way, that panel in the bottom left of your HUD says the nearest body and what you have targeted, the UA says the nearest body and... [something else].
So maybe a test would be to try targeting something else?
Some options that keep it simple and could produce a distinct purr pattern :
- Tea => - . .- which removing spaces is -..--..--..--..--..--..--..--..--..-- and so on
- Fish => ..-. .. .... .... => ..-.............-.............-.............-.............-...........
- Osmium => --- ... -- .. ..- -- => ---...--....------...--....------...--....------...--....------
All pretty clear signals, if there is bit flipping going on the fish/osmium might actually be the better test due to the longer strings of dots/dashes?
I dunno anymore!
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So anyway maybe two tests?
- Unleash the UA near some fish and let's hear the purrs (while the nearest pilot has the fish container targeted)
- Release the UA in deep space, this is where the ship's hud stops displaying the local body, does the morse go to "deep space" (this may have been done, and arguably pointless given what we already know)
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Restructuring Vincent Starson's sequence above, so that <CT> is at the start and <AR> is at the end, we'd get this:
or
By adding spaces between the letters (which have been stripped by our transcoding process, and is inexact), the last two (??) could mean Cega, or Kiga, Kimu, or several other possibilities. Kiga is the name of a system in the game, haven't checked all the other permutations.
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By adding spaces between the letters (which have been stripped by our transcoding process, and is inexact), the last two (??) could mean Cega, or Kiga, Kimu, or several other possibilities. Kiga is the name of a system in the game, haven't checked all the other permutations.
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Added as sequences #13 and #14.
Thanks, it's just a start.
Maybe, but I kinda doubt it. The morse code was fairly straight forward, I think the purrs - if they mean anything - will be simple too. I'll assume a substitution cipher. 01001 would be "e".
We have 32 symbols so far, I'll ditch the theory once we get over 36.
Is the UA simply FOOLING US just telling us its name, because it knows it is unknown?
That Kerrash hint, because it was our last REAL hint about the UA, made me think a lot too.
"Are we even sure it's morse?"
I came to very similar conclusions as yours:
What if the UA is simply "repeating" or "re-transmitting" the nav beacon's signal? And adding some "personal touch" to it, we did not find yet?
BTW do not ask me what is it... but the hint is very clear: even if we think it is morse, is it?
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Kerresh asked if we're sure it's Morse.
Ok, the nav beacon. does it broadcast dits and dahs? Not those we've picked up via the stylised UA transmission, but the Nav beacon itself?
In light of Kerresh's question this could be important. If the nav beacon is transmitting Morse on a frequency and that frequency is interfering with the UA's signal then we are not seeing Morse 'from the UA', we're seeing signal squelch from the Nav beacon...I'm not sure if this makes sense.
I'm only raising this because of Kerresh...I find it hard to believe he'd throw the community a red-herring on this scale...
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Or, to paraphrase Rizal above, is it just repeating what it hears from the Nav beacon?
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Black box`s make creepy noises too , perhaps they are friends
Black box`s make creepy noises too , perhaps they are friends
'Gut Rumble talking about creepy noises...made me lol
Sorry, I'll move along.
I made a video of one, it says "LONG".
[video=youtube;0LNqdmNreSo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LNqdmNreSo[/video]
[Reason for that video was to see if Empire morse is the same as Federation morse - it is]
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Guys, the UA is not communicating in morse.
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And even the nav is not transmitting a clean signal.
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I'm confuzzed, wat u say?
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