Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[BloatedPelican]

Then why not take it from my view as well since for me to do a test I need time to do it, as it already takes 5 mins to do one release of the UA to near death and then getting to the place of testing can take some time as well along with recording preparation, it comes to maybe 10-20 mins depending on what happens for one test. However for me to find tests on the forums and figure out how to do them if not clearly explained can take a lot longer, today it took me an hour to go through what has been posted. At most I have maybe 4 hours a day free to do whatever I want but I don't want to spend all of that on just this game and it's forums when real life issues are there to be dealt with, so by doing what I ask by just pm'ing me or put on the wiki tests, means that when I have time for a test I can quickly go through them instead of too long on the forums to miss some due to having to scrape through the forums while testing....unless of course you want no tests to be done fast?

I understand it's a heavy load on you guys, which is why I suggested maybe posting it to you guys personally on the wiki, and on this thread so we can discuss the idea in detail. I honestly don't know how you handle the constant battery of test requests.

Is it possible that the 'morse' code is an error message? Mass has an effect on so much in Elite, maybe it's too close to something in order to do something it wants to do, and it's saying, "Hey, this thing is too close to me!" The purrs could be how close exactly they are to a massive object, or some other number system stating how much farther something needs to be for the artefact to do whatever it needs to do. We noticed the purs do change, but we arn't sure why. Have we tried taking the artefact wayyyyyyy out of the system and seeing if the message changes any? I'm going to dig through videos and see if I can find a solution.

 

[Ratking15]

The "curse" of being "The UA bearer" reminds me very much of Frodo and The One Ring

I don't know if you have seen it among today's posts, but Zenith offered himself to "relive the burden" for a while, just to accept that infamous sap 8 mission that need an Elite Rank, bringing with himself a sap 8 container, and the UA, to see what happens together with the crystal (The Company of the UA). The offer is extended to mrTree as well, being an "UA Bearer" himself.....

.... my preciouuuuussssssssssssss.....

I know but I feel like I've commited to my UA simple, I'm not minding with holding it but I'm just asking for people to do something while I'm holding it so it's easier for me to do tests.

The problem is that neither RatKing (Cobra) nor I (Courier) can switch ships. The UA is cargo & you can't switch ships without selling off all cargo first (I've tried several times).

We can switch however we need to be, 1 quick, 2 have a friend to watch/hold on to it, thing is my best ship is currently a Cobra but I nearly have enough for getting a grade A ASP though I choose the Cobra still due to it's speed and such.

I'm now UA hunting in an Imperial Courier, if I find one I plan to switch my ship out for my Anaconda asap, I plan to ask someone (probably a current UA holder) to help me with the transfer if possible.

DO NOT have someone who is currently holding a UA hold yours when you go to switch as it does double damage to the cargo hatch, it would be much better to do it with someone who was a UA holder or friend

 

[mrtree]

Currently in Timocani hunting for UA of my own.
Wishblend is up in ,109 Virginia doing much the same.

I can drop everything and head wherever if needed.


And mrtree, if you need someone to hold cargo while you change ship, I can help out. I don't think I'm going anywhere.

It's 1:40pm for me & I'm under a deadline. So no firing up Elite for me. In fact, I need to stop reading & get back to work.

 

[Ratking15]

I understand it's a heavy load on you guys, which is why I suggested maybe posting it to you guys personally on the wiki, and on this thread so we can discuss the idea in detail. I honestly don't know how you handle the constant battery of test requests.

Is it possible that the 'morse' code is an error message? Mass has an effect on so much in Elite, maybe it's too close to something in order to do something it wants to do, and it's saying, "Hey, this thing is too close to me!" The purrs could be how close exactly they are to a massive object, or some other number system stating how much farther something needs to be for the artefact to do whatever it needs to do. We noticed the purs do change, but we arn't sure why. Have we tried taking the artefact wayyyyyyy out of the system and seeing if the message changes any? I'm going to dig through videos and see if I can find a solution.

That is why I said in the same post pm and wiki! And before now luck with just picking what comes up.

 

[mrtree]

You must have people you trust (i.e. people who have helped you in the past and not acted inappropriately). Have one of them meet you in a DB Explorer, you can drop it, and they can listen to it from inside their ship. If that doesn't work and you really trust them, then maybe they can scoop it for a minute to see if it does anything, and eject it back to you if it doesn't.

Nope. I have zero IRL friends who play the game & very, very few friends in the game at all. The wing I did with CMDR Britain a few days ago was the first time being in a wing for more than a few seconds.

So no, there really isn't anybody I could just ask to babysit the UA.

 

[Bobo]

Sorry if this has been done or suggested already, but have you tried using B grade mods for greater mass, maybe wouldnt get eaten so quickly

 

[Jacob Marshall]

Sorry if this has been done or suggested already, but have you tried using B grade mods for greater mass, maybe wouldnt get eaten so quickly

Good Idea.

I need a break from my project so off to Timcani to bounce SSS's for the hell of it.

In the unlikely event I stumble on one, who wants it?

 

[Ratking15]

Done two tests as asked of, one which I got pm'd and is the only one I've recived by pm: http://www.twitch.tv/ratking15/c/6954647

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Good Idea.

I need a break from my project so off to Timcani to bounce SSS's for the hell of it.

In the unlikely event I stumble on one, who wants it?

Maybe bitstorm? He's active and can look at the sounds from the source without having to then listen to streams and such.

 

[Huros]

Definitely not purely random.

- no triples or longer consecutive bit sequences in purr "groups"

- no equal distribution among "groups"

[url]http://cmdrbartmoss.blog.pandemonium.de/files/2015/07/symbols-descending.png[/URL]

The data above includes 111 symbols/purr-groups. (I really need to start calling them bits and bytes, since that terminology is easiest, even if these are not actual "computer bytes"). I did sort it by percentage, this may cause some bias in perception. However, if this were simply random generated bit noise, it wouldn't look like this.

I think we are looking at letter frequency, i.e. a substitution cipher. 01001 is pretty spot on for "E" and 10110 could be "T". Some caution must be applied, because the encoded text could be non-English. Station or planet names, perhaps.

(Or it could be something else, but let's be scientific about this and test that hypothesis.)

Don't want to muddy the water but am finding this quite interesting reading .... https://numangift.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/chap2.pdf there is lot about Binary codes here.

And i am so up for a UA plushy!

 

[Wishblend]

I'm now UA hunting in an Imperial Courier, if I find one I plan to switch my ship out for my Anaconda asap, I plan to ask someone (probably a current UA holder) to help me with the transfer if possible.

I will always hold a ua and give back after you change ships if anyone needs that service.

 

[hanks01]

Haven't been able to keep up with the thread but anyone tried dropping them next to Sap 8 containers? Apparently they're mysterious crystalline objects that are believed to store data. Seems those missions come up for those who are Elite.

 

[Wishblend]

Haven't been able to keep up with the thread but anyone tried dropping them next to Sap 8 containers? Apparently they're mysterious crystalline objects that are believed to store data. Seems those missions come up for those who are Elite.

Tried and tested

 

[bitstorm]

Just for anyone intrigued by the SAP8s like I currently seem to be..

FWIW The SAP8 containers look no different to other containers, well exactly the same as Painite and Hafnium at least. Even down to the same number on the canisters.

So nothing interesting about SAP8s visually. =(

 

[daygobah]

I got it i think.

Let the UA' s die. Let them complete what they are designed to do. If they degrade on their own just let them out side of ship. They werent designed to stay in cargo holds which cause ship modules to degrade. They degrade on their own in normal space. Let them finish what they are designed to do.


If these things were made to last they would last longer then 5-6 mins.

Something happens after they blowup on their own. Let it happen to the last ones we got.

 

[Smoky]

Something happens after they blowup on their own. Let it happen to the last ones we got.

That has already been tried but it might trigger a reaction exploding next to another item, maybe a SAP 8. The problem is we just don't have enough to spare for this kind of test.

After i get home from work i'll join the search and with any luck we can get another for wishblend if she wants to be under the burden again.

 

[Wishblend]

That has already been tried but it might trigger a reaction exploding next to another item, maybe a SAP 8. The problem is we just don't have enough to spare for this kind of test.

After i get home from work i'll join the search and with any luck we can get another for wishblend if she wants to be under the burden again.

Already hunting

 

[DextersIndignation]

ratking,
You say you need help with getting an asp.

Discounts are available, but there are many rich players who will donate if you ask.

I reckon you will be pretty good at the scooping thing by now.

This thread is actually pretty interesting, so it should pay...

Perhaps 5 mil a week from FD would be nice...

That would apply to all you guys working hard finding aliens for us to kill.

 

[IronGremlin]

Thought:

Purs are dead space between honks.

Space between honks changes - uncertain criterion for change.

Any message imparted by UA sound should be readable in the space from one drop to the next - this isn't certain, but does make some sense.

Purs change, not predictably or repeatably - but what about honks?

Maybe, the "goal" should be increasing honk frequency to the point where we can accurately determine whether or not they have a message?

Theory: space between honks is related to distance from central body of system.

Reasoning:
Simplest theory for origin of device:
Alien
Simplest narrative explanation for device having morse: interaction with Voyager

Voyager contained plaque indicating what body of Sol contained us. Plaque used a "binary" set of symbols to illustrate relative position of Earth.

Honks/purrs are the UA's version of those symbols.

It's a stretch, but not a huge stretch...

 

[daygobah]

That has already been tried but it might trigger a reaction exploding next to another item, maybe a SAP 8. The problem is we just don't have enough to spare for this kind of test.

After i get home from work i'll join the search and with any luck we can get another for wishblend if she wants to be under the burden again.

What i am getting at is after the last one is gone. That will probably trigger something.

Where is the video of one completing it natural life cycle?

Again this is its natural life cycle. They only last for alittle bit of time and burst/explode.

Let the last few naturally end on their own. I bet it will trigger something.

 

[BloatedPelican]

Purs change, not predictably or repeatably

I agree. We are sure of one thing with these, they change. I think this should be the focus of our research. We should find out when they do, and don't change. We know honks always come after purrs, so if we figure out what changes the purrs, or removes them, we can also figure out if your theory reveals anything once the purrs are completely removed, if possible.

Voyager contained plaque indicating what body of Sol contained us. Plaque used a "binary" set of symbols to illustrate relative position of Earth.

Honks/purrs are the UA's version of those symbols.

I'd argue that if the honks and purrs where indeed something static, like a location that does not move, than they would not change. Voyager's message did not change while depicting the location of earth, while these change for unknown reasons.

It brings up a good point though. The universe, hell even earth, has multiple languages. There's only one concept that that can seamlessly travel between languages without ever having to learn the language, and that is math. If aliens are trying to communicate with us directly, they may use some sort of math. Of course, if they where trying to communicate with us directly, they wouldn't have used morse.

What i am getting at is after the last one is gone. That will probably trigger something.

Where is the video of one completing it natural life cycle?

Again this is its natural life cycle. They only last for alittle bit of time and burst/explode.

Let the last few naturally end on their own. I bet it will trigger something.

If something happened once they all expired, there wouldn't be a reason for them to exist from the start. I would, however, also like to see a video of one expiring, but ONLY if it's already been recorded. We don't need to be burning our research materials just to check the color of the fire.