Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

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Absolutely.

Has the Canonn group been already formed? I was planning to do all the UA things in Mobius, but if the Canonn group already exists, we can definitely use that!
It's a "controlled" group, so only the people that sent the PM to Derthek could be allowed, isn't it?

I am ready and willing to set up the private server. I snuck a cmdr name into the list. It's one I use a as my private server. If we really want to use a private server that isnt Mobius all I have go do is send the invites :D
 
Interesting about all the missing systems. Ok, do we think this is just bugs and errors or... *dons tin-foil hat* The organisation(s) behind SSI, UA, assassinations/arranged crashes etc is so powerful, sneaky and shady that Galnet, Universal Cartographics and ultimately our ships nav-computers have all been edited? *puts second tin-foil hat over the top of the first*
 
I am ready and willing to set up the private server. I snuck a cmdr name into the list. It's one I use a as my private server. If we really want to use a private server that isnt Mobius all I have go do is send the invites :D

Yeah, we could really use a place to do more real-time brainstorming. A voice server would be nice, and the guys over in /r/UnknownArtefact have already made an IRC, although it's pretty inactive. Still, they're getting stuff done when it comes to maximizing efficiency a lot faster that we did, and we haven't done very much seeing as how most people still strictly use this thread.
 
Yeah, we could really use a place to do more real-time brainstorming. A voice server would be nice, and the guys over in /r/UnknownArtefact have already made an IRC, although it's pretty inactive. Still, they're getting stuff done when it comes to maximizing efficiency a lot faster that we did, and we haven't done very much seeing as how most people still strictly use this thread.

Well, if I want to maximize efficiency, that generally does not involve playing a game for fun. If I want the former, I have a day job. As has been pointed out from time to time, it is actually useful to have everyone in one place, and a central wiki with all the related info, rather than scattered in different groups all over the place. Maybe we can turn the UA mystery into another grind to totally max efficiency?
 
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Well, if I want to maximize efficiency, that generally does not involve playing a game for fun. If I want the former, I have a day job. As has been pointed out from time to time, it is actually useful to have everyone in one place, and a central wiki, rather than scattered in different groups all over the place. Maybe we can turn the UA mystery into another grind to totally max efficiency?

The only reason it would be scattered is because some people are stubborn. Moving to a better medium would be better for everyone. It has no effect on playing the game for fun, you're doing the same thing just made easier, less time consuming, and less confusing.
 
LordZoltan, could you perhaps make a section on the wiki of likely dud leads that we could all add to (or some other centralised place we could all reference). That would make it much easier for us to go forward with this. (I'd do it myself, but I thought it better/more polite to ask you since it's your post that lists the duds so comprehensively - wouldn't want to take liberties with your wording and logic

I'd absolutely love to do this - and thanks for the suggestion that it be me (I'm flattered) - however I think this kinda needs to be done by majority consensus?

Everybody would need to agree on a particular angle being dead for us to do this - and we already know that many people don't share our scepticism about some of these dead ends. So I doubt it'd happen.

A big long table of every test done, however, with vids, and grouped together by type; now *that* would be a useful resource we could all agree on I'm sure :)
 
The only reason it would be scattered is because some people are stubborn. Moving to a better medium would be better for everyone. It has no effect on playing the game for fun, you're doing the same thing just made easier, less time consuming, and less confusing.

Well, some people seem to be most of us, using your own words. There only seems to be one person pushing constantly to change the way we do business to maximize efficiency, and destroy this thread. What is next, 8 hour shifts and time reporting in 30 minute increments on progress made?

Maybe you have never had a day job, but generally you can't play games from them or login to IRC or voice servers. This thread is a way for people who aren't searching for UAs as a job to check in when and as they can, and contribute when and as they can. Many people are not in-game 24/7. By all means, for those of you wishing to maximize efficiency, go for it. Enjoy.

Edit: And it is entirely your opinion that it would be easier, less time consuming and less confusing. I do not concur.
 
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There are a lot more systems mentioned in the journals missing though. I've done some investigation and found that there are 133 different systems mentioned in the FFE journals. Of those, only 53 exist in ED. Missing systems include Veliaze which is mentioned in the very first "Thargoids - Truth and Fiction" article as first system Thargoids were seen in.

If anyone wants a list let me know and I'll clean it up and post it somewhere.

Methodology: I wrote a program that generates the 324,784 systems within 100 sectors of Sol in FFE. For each of those the program searched the 656 FFE journal stories from http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/first-encounters/journals/all/ to see if the system name was mentioned. For the 133 that were found, it then searched the EDSC data to see if they appeared in ED. For the 80 that weren't found in the EDSC data I did a manual search in the galaxy map just to be sure (none found except "Source" which is apparently an alias for Sagittarius A*).

Fantastic work there Red Wizzard I know that had to take quite a bit of time to do.

I wonder... Sagittarius A* is called "Source"? that's a bit odd isn't it? That would go against everything we know about how black holes work... unless this one is different.
 
The Elite: Dangerous private group server invites have been sent out. The CMDR name for the private server is "The Milky Way Galaxy"

this way we have control over invites rather than waiting for Mobius to get around to adding people :D
of course, if the private server idea flops I completely understand. Mobius is the standard for PVE so i wont take it personally if a Canonn dedicated server fails.
It's ready to be utilized by UA hunters and researchers. No haxxors pls :D you will be perma banned

p.s. if there are any CMDRs out there who still want to join the Canonn please send me a PM with your CMDR name! Due to some obvious trolls wanting to join the group (i recognized their names) there will be a small screening process for new recruits. If you're innocent, theres nothing to worry about!
 
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The Elite: Dangerous private group server invites have been sent out. The CMDR name for the private server is "The Milky Way Galaxy"

this was we have control over invites rather than waiting for Mobius to get around to adding people :D
ofcourse, if the private server idea flops I completely understand. Mobius is the standard for PVE so i wont take it personally if a Canonn dedicated server fails.
It's ready to be utilized by UA hunters and researchers. No haxxors pls :D you will be perma banned

You blew it Derthek! that's too obvious. You should have named it the Milky Way Candy Bar!
 
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RedWizzard, since you are a whiz at this stuff, these might be useful for trying to match missing systems coordinates with possibly renamed systems in ED, possibly programmatically: http://www.frontierastro.co.uk/FrontierMaps/FMaps.html

The guy who wrote that app has a website describing the procedural generation code for FE2/FFE, which he'd ported to C from the assembler version that someone created by disassembling the game. I actually found a few bugs in his C code and did my own port to Java which is what I'm using to generate the FFE systems now. I've got a similar (though not as polished) mapping program too.

One problem with this is that there is a lot of duplication of names in FFE. This is because of the 3 syllables from 32 choices thing: 32*32*32 = 32768 possible system names. So even in the relatively small section of the galaxy I searched I saw multiple systems with each name. In the list (which I'll put up somewhere tomorrow) I've used the system that's closest to Sol, which should be the right choice most of the time. But there is the possibility that's not the right one in which case the coordinates will be wrong.

There are also a few false positives in the list as I let it match variations like "Rigelian" for "Rigel". And, of course, there could be more I've missed, particularly if they've misspelt other systems.
 
Hello CMDR's.

I will again refer to the Micheals Brooks comment “Have you listened to them?”.

Since all tests with sound recording probably went with so much less no need sounds as possable it raised a qustion in me.
I have experianced in other games that sometimes an object or an event trigger an complete difrent music what normaly not played by standart music list while playing.

So my question is: " Did any of the testers tryed to aproch the UA while his misuc was not desabled in the settings? meaby it will trigger some kind of other music with embeded message or something?

I know its probably not the case.... but since alot of stuff have been tryed already we have to try this as well......you never know meaby it will trigger something.
 
I'd absolutely love to do this - and thanks for the suggestion that it be me (I'm flattered) - however I think this kinda needs to be done by majority consensus?

Everybody would need to agree on a particular angle being dead for us to do this - and we already know that many people don't share our scepticism about some of these dead ends. So I doubt it'd happen.

A big long table of every test done, however, with vids, and grouped together by type; now *that* would be a useful resource we could all agree on I'm sure :)

Big long table of tests sounds good!

As for the duds list - consensus is best. I suggest polls. Then each dud that wins by majority gets listed, along with the poll score, so we can see the perceived dudness factor.
 
Well, some people seem to be most of us, using your own words. There only seems to be one person pushing constantly to change the way we do business to maximize efficiency, and destroy this thread. What is next, 8 hour shifts and time reporting in 30 minute increments on progress made?

Maybe you have never had a day job, but generally you can't play games from them or login to IRC or voice servers. This thread is a way for people who aren't searching for UAs as a job to check in when and as they can, and contribute when and as they can. Many people are not in-game 24/7. By all means, for those of you wishing to maximize efficiency, go for it. Enjoy.

Edit: And it is entirely your opinion that it would be easier, less time consuming and less confusing. I do not concur.

Yep - I'm happy with the thread and wiki approach.

Again, the idea of moving to reddit and, to be honest, IRC fills me with exhaustion and dread. This page is ideal - I leave my phone open to the most recent page I've read; when I pop out at work for cig I can catch up, and because I'm using chrome I can open a desktop browser to the same page and catch up on a different device if I need to.

I'm not a Luddite - indeed I'm a C# development contractor with a lot of experience in a lot of web tech both as a user and developer - but reddit just doesn't work for me as an information exchange. I'm sure it's great for many things, but I just don't think this is one of them.

Of course, that;s not say this thread has the monopoly on UA research - that'd be ludicrous - I'm just saying I wouldn't participate on reddit and IRC.
 
Fantastic work there Red Wizzard I know that had to take quite a bit of time to do.

I wonder... Sagittarius A* is called "Source"? that's a bit odd isn't it? That would go against everything we know about how black holes work... unless this one is different.
"Source 2" is the name of the companion star to Sag A*.
 
Hello CMDR's.

I will again refer to the Micheals Brooks comment “Have you listened to them?”.

Since all tests with sound recording probably went with so much less no need sounds as possable it raised a qustion in me.
I have experianced in other games that sometimes an object or an event trigger an complete difrent music what normaly not played by standart music list while playing.

So my question is: " Did any of the testers tryed to aproch the UA while his misuc was not desabled in the settings? meaby it will trigger some kind of other music with embeded message or something?

I know its probably not the case.... but since alot of stuff have been tryed already we have to try this as well......you never know meaby it will trigger something.

This is actually quite an interesting point. Presumably every test that's been done was done with the game music turned off. Has anybody actually tried turning it on and up to see if the UA triggers a different music file?
 
I wonder... Sagittarius A* is called "Source"? that's a bit odd isn't it? That would go against everything we know about how black holes work... unless this one is different.

It is a bit odd. I thought maybe someone meant "origin" but couldn't remember the right word. But if that was true I would have thought it's coordinates would have been something like (0, 0, 25900) instead of (25.21875, -20.90625, 25899.96875). I guess they might have moved it (or Sol) at some point.
 
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