Robert Maynard
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.... or alternatively, "This parking lot only sells four door saloons - if you want a bus, you have to go to the lot over the road."
The New Guilds and Player Owned Stations Discussion Thread.
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.... or alternatively, "This parking lot only sells four door saloons - if you want a bus, you have to go to the lot over the road."
See? Guilds are just there to facilitate the people who are already brainless.
Lol more ad hominem attacks I see
These are especially funny when they attempt to attack intelligence
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" although participating in the DDF was an interesting experience."
It is good that they include lower ranked members of staff at such important functions. What a great company it must be to work for
" the Guild member would not necessarily suffer as badly financially in the event of a ship loss"
Well that is unfortunate, but then that is hardly a game breaker. What if two players gang up on someone, they are twice as likely to win. Should that not be balanced, or is that not just the danger of space. Besides, this "feature" you discuss has nothing to do with groups of players making their alliance known.
"Regarding the wider player base - how do we know what they want?"
Using polls, like the one above, and the one on reddit. Or market research, like FD must have spent many pounds on this kind of activity.
The attached poll is so dodgy moderators commented on the number of one use accounts being registered to vote in it.
See 1st half of thread for details.
Hows this for an analogy.
Man stands in ford garage angrily demanding a nissan.
I'm crushed, I really am. As you can see, my opinion of the GPs is really high so I don't know if I'll ever get past this.
I know! Let's start a poll!
You know what happened last time.
Yeah, I'd love to see an open poll with usernames and join dates alongside.
A short time later........
Forum PvP and the meta, oh how I miss you
Still not enough to re-sub to "that other space game though".
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How about this, guy plays a game on his own, has no friends. Gets upset when people with friends ask for social features. Then starts making spurious analogies and resorting to memes to make an argument. Sound familiar ?
Hmm that sounds vaguely familiar, I can't quite place where I have seen it before though!
Godwin's Law: Hitler.
"Social groups" is a handy buzzwordy kind of phrase for... nothing concrete; certainly nothing that can be pinned down by sophomoric appeals to "the proofs of teh psycholigiez!"...
Social groups don't improve social behaviour; they instantiate social behaviour - by definition, it can't be any other way. The problem with social behaviour is normative pressure. A handful of articles, some academic, taken together suggest that certain aspects of social behaviour may be enhanced by the provision of social tools in a game. Who'd'a thunk it!? The tautology is so large it might form a black hole... This doesn't mean "social groups" (are there really any other kinds of groups?) secrete rainbows and cultivate unicorns for laffs. It means that groups of people given the tools to organise will... organise. They will use it rightly or wrongly for their purposes. Moral judgements - "improve" is one - are irrelevant in this context.
Please stop it with the "X proves Y" with regard to psychology. It does you a disservice. Empirical science proves very little - even hard sciences like physics eventually come down to statistics and confidence intervals - there's no "proof" that the Higgs Boson exists; just a very high degree of probability that the particle interactions observed in the LHC are due to the decay of the Higgs Boson. Look up the null hypothesis for more information. Among the less fundamental disciplines and social sciences, "proof" is a rare beast indeed - like Pranav-Antal-pledger kind of rare. Patterns may be evident, but there's so often a counterexample. To whit, fascist and totalitarian communist regimes of the early-to-mid twentieth century suggest that behaviour guided by normative pressure is not always beneficial. This point of view is further bolstered by, for example, the Stanford Prison experiments. All of these factual examples demonstrate that social behaviour is not intrinsically good.
Find another argument.
Guilds already exist in the game, without the rather nebulous "in-game tools" that are being made out to be a critical part of it (perhaps they already exist and people organise themselves without the already extant in-game and third party tools that, somewhat surprisingly, don't exist or aren't good enough).
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How about a guy knowingly buys a game without guilds, and then stomps his feet and bangs his head on the floor when it is pointed out that the game still doesn't have guilds and may very possibly never have them. He then bangs his head on the floor some more, because there is nothing else for him to do.
You two be careful, I wouldn't want all this bromance to make your butthurt get any worse.
Or, guy plays a game on his own because he spends too much time playing with RL family/friends doing RL things. Gets upset when people with no friends ask for social features in computer game to help them. Then starts making spurious analogies in response to endless irrelevant "studies" and "evidence" used to make an argument. Sound familiar?
Just as ridiculous I'd say..
Well, they're in very short supply round here; I thought I'd emulate the master.
Not everyone acts like a 2 year old and throws temper tantrums some people can have an intelligent conversation even while being on opposite sides of an issue...... Some can't
Asp you have proven time and time again that you can not post an intelligent argument but you want to participate and chat here with the adults so you interject some insulting tidbit into an otherwise mostly civil conversation.
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Sorry Bacalao, I was not talking about you, not at all. In no way was this a reference to you, so there is no need to take it so personally
You may want to read back through the last 40-50 pages before you start calling people out and labeling arguments as "intelligent", intelligence went out the window somewhere after the first few characters of the poll.
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