Elite:Dangerous for Linux?

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Farmboy said:
If you look past the package managers, there is less difference than you might think. The kernels and libraries and xdg are largely from a common base. The biggest problem I run into is with graphics drivers for proprietary cards. And that's not a simple problem. It's one reason why one of the major software packages we have to run no longer runs on Linux (windows and solaris only now). Which is a pity.

I don't know why you assert that CentOS isn't a desktop OS though - it works perfectly well as one. Indeed my desktop is. But that's a topic for a different board.
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Yes the kernel is largely the same, but not the thousands of various libraries. Every now and then I have to deploy on system A some application developed on system B with diffferent library versions that ends up not working because for some bizarre reason open source developers are very fond of changing APIs every other day. Ugh.

And yes the display drivers, of course. Which card does the user have? Does he use the OEM driver, assuming there is one at all, or the open source driver that of course has different performance and feature support?
 
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WR3ND

WR3ND
For Linux gaming, it would seem best or perhaps at least easiest now to standardize around SteamOS/Debian and use the Vulkan API going forward. (Disclaimer: I may be somewhat biased as I prefer using Debian and like using Steam.)
 
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StarTux

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WR3ND said:
For Linux gaming, it would seem best or perhaps at least easiest now to standardize around SteamOS/Debian and use the Vulkan API going forward. (Disclaimer: I may be somewhat biased as I prefer using Debian and like using Steam.)
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Yep! I have said this over and over :).

For those with non-supported flavours will have to figure out how to make things work if need be, and in most likelihood they will indeed do so.
 

toidi

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Let's get back on track shall we :)

Latest update of wine 1.8rc1 staging using POL I have actually got the game to start somewhat. Game window fires up but is blank, there is audio being played in the background. Looks like there may be a fixme d3d_shader:shader_sm4_read_instruction that is being constantly called. Will try and find a workaround for this, but the game is so close to actually running.

If anyone who has knowledge of WINE/POL wishes to pitch in that would be great as I am still a relative novice to all of this.

NB. Steps taken to get the game to install and run:

Using linux Mint, POL bottle with wine 1.8rc1
dx10
dx11
dx9
dinput
directx9 setup
dot net 4
winbind
wintrust

arial32.exe font (grab it from sourceforge, installing corefonts causes launcher to crash so have to install this individually)

Edit: I think it is time to start a separate thread with regards to getting this running on WINE. I will write it up and post a link in here.
 
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VictorT

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toidi said:
Forking as I type this :D

Edit: Done

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=202695&p=3139896#post3139896
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thanks for your work in this direction, toidi!

I agree it should be a separate topic, one i will subscribe to.. but I also agree the best of all possible outcomes will be a native port (which will most certainly be easier than a Mac port, which i've stated for years).

I can't imagine getting it to work under WINE will convince me to give them more of my money, I'd like to count as a linux sale. but I'll certainly be interested in watching the WINE effort shape up.

cheers!
 

Preterite

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ppehrson said:
Also, Linux is constantly developed, patched, and modified by people who could theoretically build into it any sort of security hole they wanted, and you'd never know. This is the difference between a commercial, guaranteed product and public development.
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Closed source software is regularly patched. Even if the original version was clean the updated ones could add hidden functions into the services that run on an average Windows PC and you'd never know. Anything can be hidden in closed source.
 

WR3ND

WR3ND
Preterite said:
Closed source software is regularly patched. Even if the original version was clean the updated ones could add hidden functions into the services that run on an average Windows PC and you'd never know. Anything can be hidden in closed source.
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Yeah, it was a more than passingly ridiculous comment, considering the source code for the various Linux flavors is available and routinely audited and compiled by many, many people around the world. Private interest closed source on the other hand isn't. I'm sure we all know how sloppy and prone to security holes it can be. To imply that mainstream Linux developers are purposefully putting holes in their software for all to see while closed source developers aren't where no one can see is absurd and shows the poster's ignorance on the matter.

Maybe they don't know what open source means.
 
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Darth Ender

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The only way the game would come to linux is by using the proprietary amd / nvidia drivers as mesa does not yet really support compute shaders (part of the reason why mac doesn't either as they dont use the closed source drivers).

That being said, it probably will stay in windows land as there just isn't the financial incentive to add all the overhead of maintaining a separate port (fixing bugs, optimizing etc).
 

WR3ND

WR3ND
Darth Ender said:
The only way the game would come to linux is by using the proprietary amd / nvidia drivers as mesa does not yet really support compute shaders (part of the reason why mac doesn't either as they dont use the closed source drivers).

That being said, it probably will stay in windows land as there just isn't the financial incentive to add all the overhead of maintaining a separate port (fixing bugs, optimizing etc).
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What's your point? I use proprietary Intel graphics drivers on my Linux laptop which I run Steam on and game on. Also, OpenGL and Vulkan going forward do support compute shaders. As I understand it, the issues with Macs is that they're using outdated versions of OpenGL/CL.
 
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toidi

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I think there is a common misconception that all Linux users are anti closed source, when in reality the vast majority are simply using it because:

A. We are pro open sourced.
B. It is actually better than the alternatives (IMHO).
C. It is free.
D. All of the above.

I have never had a problem with using propriety Nvidia drivers on my machines. Sure I would like to see them become open sourced, but Nvidia, like others, have made a commercial decision surrounding their IP that I will have to accept if I want to use their drivers.

Oh all that and the retro-fitting of windows 10 crap to 7 and 8 means I cannot wait for the day to have a home free of MS.
 

Hurricane Moon

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as a gamer for 30 years I bought my first gaming pc 2 and a bit years ago now....
if one wants to game then a windows pc is the best surely?...but use Linux stuff for your business spreadsheet stuff?..

when shopping for a gaming pc I did not see any pc running Linux,or wine or whatever funny names they have being advertised as for gaming.


the open source is good,but aint they all?....I can get around and obtain most things I need on my windows machine
 
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WR3ND

WR3ND
Hurricane Moon said:
as a gamer for 30 years I bought my first gaming pc 2 and a bit years ago now....
if one wants to game then a windows pc is the best surely?...but use Linux stuff for your business spreadsheet stuff?..

when shopping for a gaming pc I did not see any pc running Linux,or wine or whatever funny names they have being advertised as for gaming.


the open source is good,but aint they all?....I can get around and obtain most things I need on my windows machine
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So you didn't build your PC? Other than laptops, I've never "shopped" for a PC, so that seems rather weird to me.

The reason I prefer GNU/Linux is that it is my operating system whereas Windows is Microsoft's. I can customize and do whatever I want with it and it is specifically designed with my personal interests as its top priority, not the profits of someone else.

I think that's what a lot of people don't get about Linux. When you use it, it is YOUR operating system. But then, I guess a lot of people seem to be content with being told what to do and like.

The only problem with "desktop" and "gaming" Linux PCs are that not enough people use Linux so not enough developers develop for it so not enough people use it... You get the idea. ;) It's coming along though, and Valve is helping out a fair bit. I've recently picked up a few extra games on Steam that work for Linux and Windows, so I can play them wherever I want. :)

By the way, I also run Linux inside of Windows too, hosting a few game servers on a virtual machine.
 
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amigacooke

amigacooke
WR3ND said:
When you use it, it is YOUR operating system. But then, I guess a lot of people seem to be content with being told what to do and like.
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I'd guess that people don't much care whose operating system it is, as long as they can do what they're trying to do with the minimum of fuss.
 

fyo

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amigacooke said:
I'd guess that people don't much care whose operating system it is, as long as they can do what they're trying to do with the minimum of fuss.
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In my experience, people will continue to do what they've always done, regardless of the options, and just complain about stuff that doesn't work until such a time that they become numb to it.

The best way to get someone to "switch" is to put it in a pretty package (oh, say, a MacBook Air).
 

shadragon

shadragon
fyo said:
The best way to get someone to "switch" is to put it in a pretty package (oh, say, a MacBook Air).
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Yes, because when I choose a PC, I check to see which is prettiest. *cough*

The perfect OS should not be noticed. It should hum away in the background doing what it needs to do while consuming a minimum of CPU power and cycles. It should do nothing unless commanded to do something. Linux is hands down the winner in that category. MS and Apple OS's do all sorts of things in the background the average user has no idea about. The list of services that are constantly running grows with every service pack.

MS and Apple place restrictions in their OS's for "security", but in reality it's to maintain a monopoly on their users. Linux lets you change any aspect of the OS as you see fit and is therefore universally more adaptable. It uses open standards designed for the free and unrestricted transmission and reception of information. If you don't like something on Linux you can add, remove or modify individual components.

If you use Apple or MS OS's and are happy then good luck and fair winds. However, Open Source is the way to go for an OS as it does not lock you into any particular corporation or system. Linux gives the end user complete flexibility to control any aspect of their hardware and is always my first choice. The second I can game on Linux reliably, I'll happily delete my Windows partition.
 
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