For what it's worth, this one in particular has me very intrigued....
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For what it's worth, this one in particular has me very intrigued....
No need to be pedantic. There is a quite common chemical corrosion reaction involving water called rust
I knew/hoped you'd say that
I am literally throwing rep at the screen (because I'm out of the 'real' thing)
As Michael said, we can cure the stations 'soon'. This probably means that we don't have access to the necessary remedies yet.
In 1.5/2.0 there are a bunch of new commodities (spoiler): https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=200463
Inn addition there are materials in 2.0.
Synthesizing materials is a big part of 2.0. Our ships and SRVs have recipes for this. For example, there are recipes for repairing your SRV (I will not list them).
I would not be surprised if a similar approach is needed to cure the stations.
We can not sell materials to stations, so we need to find commodities/rares that have similar content.
For example if we need phosphorus for a repair recipe, we could deliver 'HIP Organophosphates' to the station.
Pure speculation so far. I just have a feeling the the recipes are important. This feeling is reinforced by the Master Chef story and it's focus on recipes.
In 1.5/2.0 there are a bunch of new commodities (spoiler): https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=200463
Inn addition there are materials in 2.0.
Synthesizing materials is a big part of 2.0. Our ships and SRVs have recipes for this. For example, there are recipes for repairing your SRV (I will not list them).
I would not be surprised if a similar approach is needed to cure the stations.
We can not sell materials to stations, so we need to find commodities/rares that have similar content.
For example if we need phosphorus for a repair recipe, we could deliver 'HIP Organophosphates' to the station.
Pure speculation so far. I just have a feeling the the recipes are important. This feeling is reinforced by the Master Chef story and it's focus on recipes.
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I knew/hoped you'd say that
I am literally throwing rep at the screen (because I'm out of the 'real' thing)
I always out of rep as well.
I don't know if you read my post in the 'beta spoiler thread': https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=197389&page=17&p=3210177&viewfull=1#post3210177
But I think metal oxides (not only rust) may be quite important to the UA story.
So I've been going over all the commodities in game and there are a few interesting ones besides the almost impossible to get Hafnium 178, SAP 8, AI Relics, Scientific Research stuff:
Bioreducing Lichen: Perhaps it can cover the UAs and chemically neutralize it.
HIP Organophosphates: Not the nicest stuff, but maybe pesticides are the way to go.
Damna Carapaces: Not sure how large the "large insects" are, but if big enough for a UA, perhaps the protective shell can stop the harmful effects.
Havasupai Dream Catcher: Capable of recording, storing and replaying neural activity, perhaps this could be used to communicate with the UAs.
These are my top candidates. At this point, I have delivered 4 dream catchers, a baker's dozen carapaces, and 216 bioreducing lichen to Bond Hub.
Bioreducing Lichen: Perhaps it can cover the UAs and chemically neutralize it.
HIP Organophosphates: Not the nicest stuff, but maybe pesticides are the way to go.
Damna Carapaces: Not sure how large the "large insects" are, but if big enough for a UA, perhaps the protective shell can stop the harmful effects.
Havasupai Dream Catcher: Capable of recording, storing and replaying neural activity, perhaps this could be used to communicate with the UAs.
These are my top candidates. At this point, I have delivered 4 dream catchers, a baker's dozen carapaces, and 216 bioreducing lichen to Bond Hub.
And why?
Btw I forgot to mention that also Vizcaino Enterpraise in Nganji is affected, so it seems someone did already try to take some UA to Palin: not being able to sell them to Christian Dock directly, for lack of Black Market, they tried to sell them to Vizcaino instead.
Another piece that goes in place, about the UA being the cause...
And why?
Btw I forgot to mention that also Vizcaino Enterpraise in Nganji is affected, so it seems someone did already try to take some UA to Palin: not being able to sell them to Christian Dock directly, for lack of Black Market, they tried to sell them to Vizcaino instead.
Another piece that goes in place, about the UA being the cause...
Mostly because Peregrina experiencing issues feels too... well... obvious.
It's unique with it's permit and plague-world, and it's proximity to the shell suggested they may be related. Anything to do with the UA's affecting stations would've first kicked in at Peregrina if they were related.
I know "not everything is about the UA's", but Peregrina always felt related. Talos 2 becoming affected just feels suspicious.
Yep, my feeling too.
MB saying we can stop it spreading now means we can stop selling them to stations.
MB saying 'soon' to my question about a cure means new materials coming with the next season.
I see: but if you remember, Peregrina was one of the targets for selling UAs, we've talked about it many times in the past few weeks.
So I was expecting it. What I was not expecting is your target system not being affected: but this supports the theory that FD choses systems also according to what people are talking about, perhaps.
Could be, but coupled with his previous "science needs to be done" comment, I'd be very disappointed if there wasn't something we could do at this time. And as others have pointed out, preventing EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE from selling UAs isn't exactly viable, so if that was what MB's remark meant, then, yes, I'd be very disappointed.
Do science now to stop the spread, do more later (possibly coupled with a CG) to find/propagate a cure. Could be a joint 2.0 / 1.5 CG, with only part of the CG requiring 2.0.
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Somewhere I can hear MB mumbling... all right, that's it... GET ME THAT DATABASE INTERN UP HERE... You, find that damned station this idiot's been selling to. [Really starts to mumble] Maybe this should be the first station to go...
Possibly another red herring, but . . . since the last patch going into and out of supercruise I've started seeing swirling lights that remind me of the swirling lights coming off a UA, along with a subtle warping of space that again reminds me of how space around the UAs look.
I've no idea if this observation has anything to do with anything, or any idea what it *could* mean, but I felt I had to add it to the list of dumb suggestions I've made since the first thread started
I've no idea if this observation has anything to do with anything, or any idea what it *could* mean, but I felt I had to add it to the list of dumb suggestions I've made since the first thread started
I had to catch up two days of threadnaugt, and with MB appearance that's 15 pages :O
Anyway, MB said we can stop it spreading.
That means no cure at the time (as he said shortly after).
I interpret this also as several possibilities, :
A- The spread is the UAs infecting new stations
B- The spread is the degrading state of a station, aka the whole process of a station going shut down.
C- A combination of the two above
I think that solving point A- is pretty straightforward, but as said earlier, we can't control players will to sell UAs.
For solving point B- however, we need more data : how fast do a station go down ?
We already know the two subsquent symptoms of an infection :
- Station is reported suffering mysterious malfunctions.
- Station is shutting down services (commodities, outfitting, etc)
We also have a pretty solid opinion (true or not ?) on how the stations are choosen for being infected :
- Commanders are publicly reporting selling UA's to that station's BM
- We do have some hints that FD can look at BM's logs for the UA sales
- FD is picking stations to go malfunctiunning from the two above criteria.
What i don't recall reading, is the chronology of an infection.
I mean from the public statement that we sell UA to a station's BM, to the galnet report saying the station is suffering mysterious malfunctions and finally to the station service shut down.
Do anyone paid attention to this chronology ?
TL;DR : we need to find out how long a station stay in these four states : UA sales to it, GalNet Malfunctions, GalNet shut down, Ingame shutdown.
Because MB said we can stop it spreading.
And we do did some extensive tests at Bond Hub.
And finally, since we don't know how long a station is taking to be shutted down, we actually don't know if we manage to stop the spreading in Bond Hub.
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In fact!
Bonds Hub is still functional, despite other systems, affected later, are already shut down!
So, could be that we managed to save Bonds Hub from shut down because of the mass Rares sale? Or just because we stopped selling UA there?
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Alright, is there a way to give it a black market? I mean, it's slightly less impossible than my shut-down-all-black-markets plan.
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