I had that exact same thought the first time I saw the hangar view. Passes the cool test, but not exactly in keeping with the immersion rules.
External View [A definitive discussion]
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Voted : No, keep it on-ship ..
I would however be keen to see, for example, a forward view without HUD, for sweet screenies of exotic sunrises and eclipses.
I would however be keen to see, for example, a forward view without HUD, for sweet screenies of exotic sunrises and eclipses.
On the other hand. Its not realistic or immersive to sit in the cockpit of your ship while someone is working on it. I think a bit of handwaving is going on there to save the time it would take to get out and get a quote off a dodgy mechanic
Which is fair enough. But it demonstrates that you can rationalise any design decision you care to make.
Did you stop to read the OP? You're response, with no point or reasoning, implies you didn't... (Basically just like your other comment saying the same sort of thing X weeks ago)
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so long as it is on an offline only profile which cant go online that will be great, everyone will be a winner.
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I'd hope an external view can be employed at anytime, just as long as it's always at such a tactical disadvantage it can only be done for the view/novelty of it...
David Braben can be clearly heard to say in the Scott Manley interview it would be cool to be able to see your heat vents opening.
I think he will backtrack on the 3rd person.
I think he will backtrack on the 3rd person.
In truth, I don't think there's really any back tracking to be done.
The view on ED appears to have always been you are the pilot in the ship and that is where the game should be played and experiences from. And I think we're all in agreement with that.
However, it would be nice, from time to time, to be able to experience the ED universe from an external view - NOT to play the game in proper, just to enjoy the view and mechanics of the universe. ie: See those heat vents opening up!
Now if this view is some God like supernatural external view, or explained via a droid, I for one don't really care. But as long as it sits nicely in the game, allows me to enjoy the game from another perspective, while in no way inpacting on gameplay (ie: giving a tactical advantage), brilliant!
Obligatory "Make it a feature of the groups system" post.
I play GTA in 1st person, switching back to 3rd occasionally just to admire the scene.
I don't see that 3rd person adds any combat advantage - quite the opposite in fact.
There's in-game controls - movement, actions etc. - and there's UI controls, that interface the real and virtual worlds.
Because it is a virtual world, operated from the real one, this interface is insurmountable, at least via current techs. The interface can't be thwarted, it has to be exploited. You can't beat it, so join it.
External view is an interface control. It is a misapprehension to conflate it with the in-game controls. It's no more "unrealistic" or "un-immersive" than a game options menu. It no more "breaks the fourth wall" than a pause button or "load new commander?" profile selection; you simply can't apply measures of gameworld consistency to the UI, it's like confusing hardware with software...
And if it's observational advantages of the increased FOV that worries you, then there's no reason why the FOV has to increase for external view anyway (though it'd be a lame restriction if FOV isn't fully adjustable - fisheye galore if you can deal with it), and besides, in that case you ought to be far more worried about other players having much larger fields than you... my 6-screen rig allows really wide FoV's, and VR headsets will have even wider ones...
I always switch to external view when landing or launching in Pioneer because mentally i'm thinking "wow, that's me in that ship on that launchpad, in that city" etc. etc. It's a real immersion booster IMHO...
I don't see that 3rd person adds any combat advantage - quite the opposite in fact.
There's in-game controls - movement, actions etc. - and there's UI controls, that interface the real and virtual worlds.
Because it is a virtual world, operated from the real one, this interface is insurmountable, at least via current techs. The interface can't be thwarted, it has to be exploited. You can't beat it, so join it.
External view is an interface control. It is a misapprehension to conflate it with the in-game controls. It's no more "unrealistic" or "un-immersive" than a game options menu. It no more "breaks the fourth wall" than a pause button or "load new commander?" profile selection; you simply can't apply measures of gameworld consistency to the UI, it's like confusing hardware with software...
And if it's observational advantages of the increased FOV that worries you, then there's no reason why the FOV has to increase for external view anyway (though it'd be a lame restriction if FOV isn't fully adjustable - fisheye galore if you can deal with it), and besides, in that case you ought to be far more worried about other players having much larger fields than you... my 6-screen rig allows really wide FoV's, and VR headsets will have even wider ones...
I always switch to external view when landing or launching in Pioneer because mentally i'm thinking "wow, that's me in that ship on that launchpad, in that city" etc. etc. It's a real immersion booster IMHO...
The "immersion breaking" argument is false because no one would be forced to use it if they did not want to.
If someone doesn't like 3rd person view then they can just stick to the 1st person view.
There is no combat advantage to a slowly rotating external view, especially if there is a delay in the transition of view modes.
If someone doesn't like 3rd person view then they can just stick to the 1st person view.
There is no combat advantage to a slowly rotating external view, especially if there is a delay in the transition of view modes.
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