"Play YOUR way" ...Their rules, not mine!
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And ours is with those that want the love child of Doom, Eve and dark souls in one big test tube.
No motivation to go on.
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"Play YOUR way" ...Their rules, not mine!
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And ours is with those that want the love child of Doom, Eve and dark souls in one big test tube.
I can see this being a problem..... All the jumping back and forth, we need wormholes, passenger liners or getting big freighters to ferry our ships around for a prize. All the jumping can in the end get tiresome.
When anyone says "it is Elite DANGEROUS" I always think they sound like Matt Damon in Team America..............Elite DANGEROUS.....hahaha.....like your argument is one word?....[haha][haha][haha][haha]
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It is like someone complaining about an aspect of the new Star Wars films, too much cgi action or something...and you say........"STAR WARS".......hahaha
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Name one game in which you do not repeat the same activities!
Name one human life in which daily repetition does not make up 99% of the available time.
I think repetition in itself is not the problem.
You have to like what you repeat. If that is not the case then play a different game (in which you will repeat other stuff
).But also you must take into account human behavior. Humans tend to get stuck in repetition because that is in their nature.
David Braben already said that he was surprised that the data showed that people tend to endlessly repeat what they know.
And then those people call the game repetitive. Go figure.
You want FD to create a game that is richer than life itself.
You demand the impossible of a game developer, especially since ED is not a game you finish in under 8 hours like most of the other games.
Their repetitive systems go unnoticed because they end before it becomes a problem to you.
You can not avoid repetition, not in a game and not in life itself, but you have influence on your own behavior and your own mindset.
And do not forget that FD is in the midst of developing this universe. It is a huge project and more layers will be added over time.
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You can't get anywhere in Elite without grinding. It is implicit in the game design. If it were not then the ships and upgrades wouldn;t cost anything.
My problem with the new version is that it sets way to steep a curve for new players. How the heck are you going to feel when you're stuck in low RES sites because everything else is lethal in your piddly little ship, when missions offer a few thousand credits, when things like mining are now unrewarding and interdiction=death and then you hear people say "yeah get a VULTURE and good weapons and shields and go to the FUN and CHALLENGE of high RES sites"...then you look at what it's going to cost and how long it will take to get there
This is irking me:
"Trading back and fourth seems to be the only viable way to make money now." and also
"Get/downsize a smaller/faster ship."
Trading makes credits. You use trading ships (with practical shielding & some weaponry) - their primary role is making credits, not dogfighting, sitting in a CZ or REZ popping shield cells and slaughtering NPCs left and right, or combat missions.
Combat ships are streamlined and configured for combat. They aren't cargo movers. Smaller, more nimble fighter-class ships are deployed against other fighters or a dedicated warship (warconda or above) which is very slow but loaded with mil-spec hardware & armor & deployed against large targets ("I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home; they aren't much bigger than that").
So it's no surprise that an inbetween/general purpose ship or half-configured trader (or even a combat-config'd trader, which is then a type of weak warship) isn't going to get off very well in a combat situation with fighters. Too slow; too much mass.
That's been going on for a year or more. Surprise! The new AI means that the most effective defense against fighter craft is... fighter craft. With the coming ability to berth fighters in the larger ships, things are getting a bit more logical.
"Trading back and fourth seems to be the only viable way to make money now." and also
"Get/downsize a smaller/faster ship."
Trading makes credits. You use trading ships (with practical shielding & some weaponry) - their primary role is making credits, not dogfighting, sitting in a CZ or REZ popping shield cells and slaughtering NPCs left and right, or combat missions.
Combat ships are streamlined and configured for combat. They aren't cargo movers. Smaller, more nimble fighter-class ships are deployed against other fighters or a dedicated warship (warconda or above) which is very slow but loaded with mil-spec hardware & armor & deployed against large targets ("I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home; they aren't much bigger than that").
So it's no surprise that an inbetween/general purpose ship or half-configured trader (or even a combat-config'd trader, which is then a type of weak warship) isn't going to get off very well in a combat situation with fighters. Too slow; too much mass.
That's been going on for a year or more. Surprise! The new AI means that the most effective defense against fighter craft is... fighter craft. With the coming ability to berth fighters in the larger ships, things are getting a bit more logical.
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Yup, safe as kindergarten. Different game, different play style.
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See this is where we differ. For me personally the fun IS the grind and once money is no object and own every ship and destruction is no problem the game may be over for me. Look at it this way 1.0 had way more grind as earnings have been buffed on everything unless u were a trader
PS CMDR Mad Mike is far from loaded and is going back to an eagle with 1 k soon (imperial of course
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In which people will have to repeat things, is my prediction.
Repeating things is not so much the problem if it is fun. The problem with E-D is that it pushes you to repeat things that u dont like to do and offers no way around it. If u want certain things like the engineer upgrades u have to grind for the materials. U can not buy them from other players if u dont like doing it. I can not go bounty hunting and get credits through that and spend them on the materials, i HAVE to go out in that dumb SRV and deal with its moronic handeling to get the stuff.
If there would be a player market for such stuff, than people that like these acivities that i dont could do it and i could do what i want and pay instead. Eve has that option through the player driven economy, E-D lacks this. And this will in the end prevent its success.
Circumventing things that i dont like through offering alternatives would be a big step for E-Ds popularity and help people enjoy the game more because they wouldnt be pushed to do things they do not like to do.
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Good post, have some rep.
Well, FD keep adding new grinds without actually adding new activities. But you're bang-on about a player driven economy.
Really? How else do you get Arsenic?
Have you considered wiping your save? I just did.
All I want to do this time around is "accidental progress". If I don't try to achieve anything, I get happy surprise invitations from engineers without really expecting them, and by the time I check them out, I have enough materials to try out their blueprints.
All I want to do this time around is "accidental progress". If I don't try to achieve anything, I get happy surprise invitations from engineers without really expecting them, and by the time I check them out, I have enough materials to try out their blueprints.
Hasn't that been added to stuff you can mine now?
Fairly sure I saw it as a mission reward in beta, too.
Who knows...blow up some NPC mining ships and they may drop some
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Hooch always makes great videos, that one had me laughing
Highly realistic. Even by the First World War battleships were vulnerable to mines and torpedoes. There was a reason that battleships had to be accompanied by a fleet of support ships.
The Second World War wrote that message loud and clear with battleships rendered obsolete as fighting vessels by aircraft. Bigger is not always better.
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