still to easy for me (obviously if i think the same with the engineers mod)
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Discuss AI here (After Engineer mods removal)
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Thank you, I was starting to feel like a voice in the wilderness, and at least now I know that it's not just my age and that other players just want to chill out with this game, it is an incredible game, but it is now totally unplayable if you just want to trade or explore, it's great if you want to turn into an adranline combat addicted junkie.
No, I believe the training mission NPC scripts are as they were in 1.0.
Exploring still has very low risk on average overall. High waking out is still a thing once you get to the bubble, and/or you can outfit a ship to be more tanky and faster to buy you some extra time to get away, though maybe at the cost of a few less light years jump range.
Also, they will be addressing and resolving the insta-death dealing NPC mods as soon as they can, so hopefully people won't have that much to worry about before too long.
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Are you damaging them while they are recharging shields? The shield regen rate can keep up with DPS of many ships. Otherwise, they may be managing their pips well. If they stick 4 pips to SYS, then that last ring can be pretty strong. So they are just doing what any human would. They may also gain enough range on you (1-2km), which can reduce your damage to almost nothing.
The AI isn't very good.
They are easily beaten by FA-off + reverse boosting + vertical pitching. The only thing hard about it was contorting my hands by having to press multiple buttons and sticks at the same time.
I fought a dangerous FAS and he did not fire his weapons once. More intent on ramming me for some reason and then hi-waked when I took him down to 20% hull.
I also don't appreciate killing wanted ships and receiving zero credits after the encounter. Stop wasting my time already.
Quite frankly, the old AI was much more fun to fight, minus the occasional spinning in place bug.
BTW, they still have modded weapons because I keep getting the "impulse attack" warning.
They are easily beaten by FA-off + reverse boosting + vertical pitching. The only thing hard about it was contorting my hands by having to press multiple buttons and sticks at the same time.
I fought a dangerous FAS and he did not fire his weapons once. More intent on ramming me for some reason and then hi-waked when I took him down to 20% hull.
I also don't appreciate killing wanted ships and receiving zero credits after the encounter. Stop wasting my time already.
Quite frankly, the old AI was much more fun to fight, minus the occasional spinning in place bug.
BTW, they still have modded weapons because I keep getting the "impulse attack" warning.
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Too easy and predictable after two dozen fights.
The mods are necessary on top of the improved AI. Bugs aside. NPC's should always be a tougher challenge, and have the edge over all or most players. No matter how well written their scripts are, they are not true AI. They don't have a positronic brain (Isaac Asimov robot novels reference), i.e. we have the biological advantage of having a brain.
Many rushed to get the most money and biggest ship and felt entitled by their wealth to suppress, dominate or harvest all NPC's all over the rank ladder and not have to put a great effort, still get most kills or creds/h. They would use their biological advantage, but instead the intelligent thing they did is make this sound like a reasonable plea to lower the difficulty:
The mods are necessary on top of the improved AI. Bugs aside. NPC's should always be a tougher challenge, and have the edge over all or most players. No matter how well written their scripts are, they are not true AI. They don't have a positronic brain (Isaac Asimov robot novels reference), i.e. we have the biological advantage of having a brain.
Many rushed to get the most money and biggest ship and felt entitled by their wealth to suppress, dominate or harvest all NPC's all over the rank ladder and not have to put a great effort, still get most kills or creds/h. They would use their biological advantage, but instead the intelligent thing they did is make this sound like a reasonable plea to lower the difficulty:
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Another thing i noticed is that the NPCs are inhumanly skilled on Interdiction and Tracking.
Npc interdicted me right after jumping into the system.
I boosted off and got out.
Less than one second in SC i got another message of that npc and 200ls later he interdicted me again.
I escaped again and then the whole thing repeated.
I got Annoyed and Killed him for a nice 140k bounty.
Another NPC even followed me to the Station lol
But heck there should be a bit cool off here.
You cant tell me that a human would be able to follow me into SC and track me again within one single second and thus Interdicting me three times on a 800 ls distance....
Npc interdicted me right after jumping into the system.
I boosted off and got out.
Less than one second in SC i got another message of that npc and 200ls later he interdicted me again.
I escaped again and then the whole thing repeated.
I got Annoyed and Killed him for a nice 140k bounty.
Another NPC even followed me to the Station lol
But heck there should be a bit cool off here.
You cant tell me that a human would be able to follow me into SC and track me again within one single second and thus Interdicting me three times on a 800 ls distance....
Was in low CZ as was hoping for lower ranks. Can't say i noticed that much, they went from Competent to Elite, with the majority being dangerous/deadly. Rank isn't important for me as I'm working the BGS, only number of kills matter, so Low CZ makes more sense anyway.
I might rethink my ship strategy for 2.1, i'm also coming to the conclusion the Vulture just isn't good enough for them (although this kind of sucks for people who have limited budgets. I used to have fun in CZ with a FAS, but to get one of those again, i'm going to have to sell some ships, and i'd rather not do that. The FAS... ugh, i know, nice ship, but i tend to be shield person than a hull person, i get very nervous when my shields are down. I think i qualify for buying one at least. Will think about it.
Anyway, still staying out of combat until the patch arrives and is confirmed to work. Its just too annoying being insta-killed.
AI seems OK now. With only one exception.
Really, there is WAY TOO MUCH interdictions if the ship have cargo. Be interdicted three times in a row, only because ship have 2t of Praseodymium which is necessary for Engineer, is not funny. Of course, it is possible to run, but the whole process and time waste is pretty annoying.
Really, there is WAY TOO MUCH interdictions if the ship have cargo. Be interdicted three times in a row, only because ship have 2t of Praseodymium which is necessary for Engineer, is not funny. Of course, it is possible to run, but the whole process and time waste is pretty annoying.
They don't have to even interdict you. I was interditcted, got away into SC, then dropped back into regular space. The moment i did so, he was there and firing on me.... this was you know, several hundred thousands of km from where i left him. He wouldn't even have had time to spool up his FSD, never mind spot my wake and drop down.
Anyway, i reported that one.
In the last week, I have only been interdicted 3 times.....& only successfully 1 time....& that is only because I chose to submit. In 2 of the 3 occasions I was in an Anarchy system, in the 3rd case I was in a Low Security system.
Voted for Other because AI capabilities I cannod judge diffentiated right now.
Problem is since 2.1 I get successfully interdicted by ELITE ships only. So way too much high end opponents.
Elite pilots are rare not the most common ones. This needs to be balanced. Statued this in other posts already.
Regards,
Miklos
Problem is since 2.1 I get successfully interdicted by ELITE ships only. So way too much high end opponents.
Elite pilots are rare not the most common ones. This needs to be balanced. Statued this in other posts already.
Regards,
Miklos
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Well.
I dont interdict people so i dont know.
But when he interdicted me second time he came from front right on insane speed
I dont think thats normal either
Maybe NPC doesnt need to do anything here.
If player jumps out he likely gets instand SC and also doesnt have any speed or other rules. Meaning if he is in lets say 1ls range he just automaticly interdicts you or joins your zone if you drop.....
Well thats fine in itself given that programming AI to do complicated actions is much harder than just boosting its stats and loosening the rules for them. So from programmer perspective thats a logic choice.
But then they need to put some cool off timers onto them so they dont magically appear onto people.
Hopefully its not intended that way and they add some cool off there
Had to say just right. Of course that doesn't mean it isn't too easy for some and too hard for others. This is one of those threads where I think the number of votes mean more than the opinions therein.
Maneuverability is the king now and NPC's are very good in that. Even when in more maneuverable ship like corvette vs conda I cant outurn NPC conda
How could one counter super maneuverability of NPC's ?
There are some theoretical ways. Lets take a look:
1. Head on attack if you think you have firepower and shield advantage over NPC (firepower is tricky now as mutated NPC weapons are still in game)
Head on attack is only applicable to NPC that will also try to go head on with you. from my observations fer de lances and gunships are allways trying to go head on and not stick to your ass
2. Turrets... but wait we dont have class 4 turrets, also NPC's are spamming chaff like no tomorrow
3. Speed... You disengage from combat gain some range from NPC turn around and head on pass, full unload from all weapons, rinse and repeat. But wait if you are in less maneveurable ship this means your ship is also slower than NPC - not applicable
Big slow ships dont have counter to more maneveurable ship that will stick at your 6 even if you have turrets NPC will just spam chaff
I can imagine some players that started playing recently and are flying ships like eagles, vipers, vultures, couriers saying that AI is fine. Yes it is if you fly the most maneveurable ships in game you can take down big NPC's like pythons, anacondas in those ships. But later if they save enough credits to buy python they will have their asses handed to them by eagles, ASP's, couriers, sidewinders, cobras...until broke and rage quit the game
If I wanted to make credits safely now I would take vulture or viper 100% combat build and head to high RES to shoot down NPC's safely but I've been there done that, not interested anymore.
How could one counter super maneuverability of NPC's ?
There are some theoretical ways. Lets take a look:
1. Head on attack if you think you have firepower and shield advantage over NPC (firepower is tricky now as mutated NPC weapons are still in game)
Head on attack is only applicable to NPC that will also try to go head on with you. from my observations fer de lances and gunships are allways trying to go head on and not stick to your ass
2. Turrets... but wait we dont have class 4 turrets, also NPC's are spamming chaff like no tomorrow
3. Speed... You disengage from combat gain some range from NPC turn around and head on pass, full unload from all weapons, rinse and repeat. But wait if you are in less maneveurable ship this means your ship is also slower than NPC - not applicable
Big slow ships dont have counter to more maneveurable ship that will stick at your 6 even if you have turrets NPC will just spam chaff
I can imagine some players that started playing recently and are flying ships like eagles, vipers, vultures, couriers saying that AI is fine. Yes it is if you fly the most maneveurable ships in game you can take down big NPC's like pythons, anacondas in those ships. But later if they save enough credits to buy python they will have their asses handed to them by eagles, ASP's, couriers, sidewinders, cobras...until broke and rage quit the game
If I wanted to make credits safely now I would take vulture or viper 100% combat build and head to high RES to shoot down NPC's safely but I've been there done that, not interested anymore.
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Robert Maynard
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I was interdicted by a 4 NPC Wing (Sidewinder, Cobra, Eagle + another) last night in my Python. It didn't seem to matter what I did - I could barely get into a firing position. It was almost as if their translational inertia (Up/Down; Port/Starboard) was zero - while mine was as turgid as ever....
NPC interdictions themselves seem to have been given a buff - much more difficult to get the blue target into the crosshairs, much less keep it there - especially in larger ships.
In my subjective experience, of course....
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