General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

[Frank]

Liverpool has a long tradition of socialism, and labour support which makes it's yellow status all the more odd

The reason I specifically pointed out the colour of Merseyside was because I suspected that they might have a different outlook on things. I know that the Murdoch papers have had run-ins with EU Privacy laws in the past, and the Dirty Digger himself has lamented his lack of power in Europe.

I've often wondered why a Prime Minister would allow a public vote for something which has much more serious repercussions than a silly name for a boat. It's almost as if some Machiavellian evil monster has compromising photos of him which were taken during some sort of toff's initiation ceremony.

 

[NeilF]

confused i am... how is this change in PM anything to do with the leaver vote... let me explain;

I feel so let down by camarooon, if he was a good PM with all our interest at heart, he should have had a Brexit plan as well, just in case (not an escape plan). my heart sank when i heard he was resigning in 3 months, one of the worst things that can happen right now (and i don't even like the guy)

So, seems he put all his efforts into remain, not action was taken for a back up plan if things turned out like they have. he should have been working on a Brexit plan as well, as the PM, aside from his own personal views on remain.

I understand why he's resigning, and just shows what a little rat he is;

if he stays and the UK end up in the trash, he has to lead it though hard times, with no plan (maybe he forgot to prepear one). Not the way he wants to be remembered

if he stays and the uk does okay, then he looks like a total B.Ser.

imagine if he staid in power, as he should, and got us though this hard time, and pulled off a miracle... he would still lose because he said all badness would come.

Given he has said leaving would be putting a bomb into our economy, how does it makes sense for him - given he says it's will not work well - to head up the government in charge of patching up this situation? Surely we need someone who says it's for the best and wil be successful to follow this transition through?

His move is absolutely logical and TBH, to be expected given he was adamant leaving is a poor move. It was predicted months ago if we voted to leave Cameron woudl resign, and Boris could then get elected.

ps: One of my friends heard a conversation at a pollnig station last night where some people were voting OUT just because Cameron was pro REMAIN. So is it surprising he takes this as a vote of no confidence?


If the country gets trashed in the coming years, it's the British public who deserve the credit... Nothing to do with Cameron.

 

[Patrick_68000]

The Democratic candidate for the November presidential election has also argued the unwavering commitment of America in its special relationship with Great Britain

 

[Luniticisi]

Indy 2 will come about because of the huge difference in how Britain voted. Scotland voted 63% (I think) to remain in the EU. This is the golden bullet the SNP needed to trigger Indy 2

EDIT: As posted earlier - http://www.itv.com/news/story/2016-...second-independence-referendum-highly-likely/

I think that Scotland Will get a second referendum, simply due to the fact that one of the "promises" in the last one was that a 'No' to Scottish independence vote would mean remaining in the E.U. that is obviously not the case now .. I just hope that Scotland doesn't rush into the decision too quickly..

 

[ianw]

US President Barack Obama has noted Friday Brexit, saying the UK and the European Union remain "essential partners" of the United States, the candidate to his succession Hillary Clinton stressing him as the "special relationship" between Washington and London.

Well there you go - and Donny T has declared his support too.

And he's got a golf club in Scotland - an actual building with a course and everything - not just one of them golf bat things!

So if he ends up with the keys to Airforce 1 maybe Scotland could have a speshal relationship too - in or out of the UK!

 

[Jason S]

The non EU club was Switzerland and Norway and some smaller places like the Channel Islands.
I mean those that are on or near the EU land mass but not in the EU itself.

Now UK joins the non EU club.

And I must say at this point the average income is way way higher in the non EU club than the EU.

 

[Lianachan]

Indy 2 will come about because of the huge difference in how Britain voted. Scotland voted 63% (I think) to remain in the EU. This is the golden bullet the SNP needed to trigger Indy 2

EDIT: As posted earlier - http://www.itv.com/news/story/2016-...second-independence-referendum-highly-likely/

I don't know if your replies are meant to be in response to my "your opinion" post or not - but I'm fully aware of what's happening. I was pointing out that while you may take the view that the fact that we're probably going to have another independence referendum is unfortunate, that's not a view shared by all. Even outwith Scotland!

 

[Jason S]

Now that we're out of the EU so presumably, not subject to they so called diktats,

Who do the gov blame when they want to do things we don't like?

They will blame climate change or globalisation.

 

[Philip Coutts]

I don't know if your replies are meant to be in response to my "your opinion" post or not - but I'm fully aware of what's happening. I was pointing out that while you may take the view that the fact that we're probably going to have another independence referendum is unfortunate, that's not a view shared by all. Even outwith Scotland!

Nope wasn't directed at you at all, sorry for the confusion

EDIT: And as far as my opinion goes, I really wouldn't want another referendum after seeing the damage the first one did.

 

[Jason S]

This ain't half an active thread today

 

[Lianachan]

They will blame climate change or globalisation.

Or, of course, the immigration that this whole thing was entirely unable to stop.

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Nope wasn't directed at you at all, sorry for the confusion

EDIT: And as far as my opinion goes, I really wouldn't want another referendum after seeing the damage the first one did.

There was damage? Have a look around this morning!

 

[NeilF]

Also:

Cameron red-faced after German official says Brussels WILL trade with Britain after Brexit

DAVID Cameron and George Osborne’s economic scaremongering over Britain’s potential exit from the European Union has been laughed off by a senior German official.

Mr Kerber said: “Imposing trade barriers, imposing protectionist measures between our two countries or between the two political centres, the EU on the one hand and the UK on the other, would be a very, very foolish thing in the 21st Century.

“The BDI would urge politicians on both sides to come up with a trade regime that enables us to uphold and maintain the levels of trade we have.”

Fingers crossed! ie: They don't make an example of us... to try and keep the other countries "in line".

Going to be hysterical if we need to adhere to freedom to move though Considering a lot of people were voting LEAVE to get rid of that

 

[Jason S]

Or, of course, the immigration that this whole thing was entirely unable to stop.

Yes that as well.

But at least now they are actually more accountable than before, so they had better be good.

 

[ianw]

It wasn't a mistake, it was a lie.

Let's remember here that the EU wasn't created primarily to lubricate trade or look after the environment, it was created in order to facilitate peace.

Europe has been a battlefield for centuries, culminating in the 20th century with two appalling world wars, in which millions were killed and millions suffered unimaginable horrors. The EU was founded by France & Germany directly after WWII to put an end to all that. And it seems we've failed.

Britain's exit will - already has - given impetus to other nationalist movements, with the likely prospect of a European fragmentation which will take us directly back to square one and the same endless repetition of futile and horrific wars.

This exit is a disaster for the UK, probably a disaster for Europe, and arguably a disaster for the whole world.

If you believe in prayer start praying.

Or you know - people could just try and stop invading their neighbour's countries.

The most belligerent nations most likely to start wars these days aren't part of the EU anyway.

 

[Patrick_68000]

pity you were kidding

She is close to the retreat, anyway

 

[Philip Coutts]

I guess time will tell who was telling the biggest lies (let's be honest both sides were lying to some degree, it's really sad that it comes down to trying to pick the side that was lying the least). The fallout will continue for a number of years, not days or weeks that is for sure and as much as I love a good debate, the deed is done for better or worse. What happens next is going to be very interesting.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

The non EU club was Switzerland and Norway and some smaller places like the Channel Islands.
I mean those that are on or near the EU land mass but not in the EU itself.

Now UK joins the non EU club.

And I must say at this point the average income is way way higher in the non EU club than the EU.

True, being in switzerland I can't complain, alltough don't forgett that living costs are higher too

 

[Cosmo]

Fingers crossed! ie: They don't make an example of us... to try and keep the other countries "in line".

Going to be hysterical if we need to adhere to freedom to move though Considering a lot of people were voting LEAVE to get rid of that

Germany does 30% of all its exports to the UK. They would shoot themselves in the foot if the EU set up protectionist barriers that prevents trade.

 

[Sooden]

Given he has said leaving would be putting a bomb into our economy, how does it makes sense for him - given he says it's will not work well - to head up the government in charge of patching up this situation? Surely we need someone who says it's for the best and wil be successful to follow this transition through?

His move is absolutely logical and TBH, to be expected given he was adamant leaving is a poor move. It was predicted months ago if we voted to leave Cameron woudl resign, and Boris could then get elected.

ps: One of my friends heard a conversation at a pollnig station last night where some people were voting OUT just because Cameron was pro REMAIN. So is it surprising he takes this as a vote of no confidence?


If the country gets trashed in the coming years, it's the British public who deserve the credit... Nothing to do with Cameron.

The main reason i feel he should have staid as PM, even if its against his views is;

he has built relationships with the EU, knows the ins and out, and what is going to happen to us... well that what he said

So, he is in the best position to help and i don't think 3 months is enough time to stablise things and then hand over.

to me it feels like hes saying... 'well UK you voted out, i'm going to sit back and watch you burn... take what you deserve!' maybe i am seeing it wrong

 

[Patrick_68000]

Off-topic: I don't think she would ever resign unless she is absolutely forced to (for example by severe health problems). Her primary goal seems to be to beat the record of longest time being chancellor; current record is 16 years, by Helmut Kohl, she is at 11 years and has no intention to stop. Beyond that she is mostly devoid of any particular political agenda, she does whatever secures her position and power, adopting and dropping policies as needed, treating even people in her own party like chess figures. One day she says you have her "greatest trust", next day she tells you to resign from your office.

I honestly suspect she is a psychopath.

Back on topic: I would welcome an independent Scotland into the EU.

Merkel is a danger for the Europe, I always thought