The Star Citizen Thread v5

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No company would willingly choose to go into court against a customer if there is no precedence.

I think it's far more likely that they would rather not go to court since the crux of the refusal hinges on "funds were already used", leaving them open to the inevitable "so, show me". They can get away with refusing to show financials to the backers, but not if they were part of a court case.
 
The thing that makes it most obvious that CIG don't believe it's a donation or gift is the fact that when threatened with consumer law or some other legal remedy they crumble and choose not to test their ludicrous terms and conditions in court.

Why should they have to test their policies? Why should they have to be the first to argue in front of a judge and be the first to set precedence in terms of refunding for crowdfunding? Why do you levy accusations that if they don't fight, they're guilty?
 
Never said that you cannot have an opinion about something. Pretty much everything within this thread is opinion based. All I'm saying is that if you don't have experience of the thing you are critiquing than you cannot know the subtleties that could explain why something is the way it is. And because you lack that intimate knowledge, the things you say cannot carry as much weight as say an expert opinion.

The only expert I know of in the field of trying valiantly to make massive space games, but largely failing is Derek Smart*.

Derek thinks SC is doomed to fail and has been for quite some time.

(*no offense meant Derek I've played and enjoyed some of your games, if you had 117 million I'm sure they'd be much better)
 
The only expert I know of in the field of trying valiantly to make massive space games, but largely failing is Derek Smart*.

Derek thinks SC is doomed to fail and has been for quite some time.

(*no offense meant Derek I've played and enjoyed some of your games, if you had 117 million I'm sure they'd be much better)

What makes Dr. Smart an expert?
 
No company would willingly choose to go into court against a customer if there is no precedence.

Demonstrating their "legal" terms and conditions are nothing more than hot air and that they know they don't have a leg to stand on.

Actions speak louder than words.
 
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That's a bit harsh. It's never bad to let people play your game for free. Gotta stay level headed, point out both the bad and the good. The alpha is a         mess, but hey, at least they're not trying to hide it.

It's not harsh, it's reality. It's exactly what's going on. This is a broken incredibly limited tech demo and they are putting it free 2 play sessions before they have even a few systems that can be traveled between and do the basics of most intended game mechanics after a few years of dev and over a year of being in alpha. The"progress" is abysmal and the only reason for this is to get more "special snowflakes" because they blew through the funds.

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What makes Dr. Smart an expert?

Really? You clearly did not comprehend that post.
 
Still haven't commented on the US case.

The only US court case that comes to mind is the one where the proprietor of their kickstarted campaign jumped ship and defrauded everyone involved. So the only time this can be brought up in court is if CIG stopped developing their game. If someone were to use this case, all CIG would have to do is show the court their progress from the kickstarter until now. AFAIK, anything financial would have to go through third-party audit (I'm a little hazy about this so I don't know for certain but one of my parents is an attorney so I'll ask about this next time I talk to them).
 
- at best, mis-leading sales terminology, advertising things as "last chance you can get this" or "won't be offered again", except it isn't, and it will be;
- changes to items already sold (and no, I'm not talking about stats, or balancing etc, I'm talking changes to the item that significantly alter it from the original offer);
- outright breaking, re-defining, then re-breaking their own policies;

Seems to me that those three are the most damning, everything else seems to be conjecture/petty grievances

- outright insulting explanations (can you say database schmeg Johnny?) for things that show a clear disrespect for the people;

Obviously you haven't worked in the customer service industry; that goes on all the time. If you're butthurt about those, most likely correct, labels than it might be wise to grow a thicker skin.
 
The only expert I know of in the field of trying valiantly to make massive space games, but largely failing is Derek Smart*.

Derek thinks SC is doomed to fail and has been for quite some time.

(*no offense meant Derek I've played and enjoyed some of your games, if you had 117 million I'm sure they'd be much better)

Ha, that's rich! Derek Smart an expert on game development. He may be a failed game developer but he certainly doesn't have the chops to comment about what is successful and what isn't. He can most certainly comment on CIG's style of development but I personally don't put much stock in his opinion since he really hasn't created a successful game nor has he worked on a AAA game, afaik.
 
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