UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[LordZoltan]

Wow, you are a salty, salty boy.

bit of vinegar and he'd make a decent portion of chips... on shoulders.

although, in truth, I quite like dynamicbob. I'm not sure why, but I do.

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Anything from rathergood is... well... rather good Though I do prefer the older ones

http://rathergood.com/holding/

Completely agree. It was cool stuff on the web before there was cool stuff on the web.

 

[Patau82]

Huh, no one's sold one have they? We know selling things can trigger effects in game.... hmmm..

I've been trying to get another one, was hoping to sell it at the Canonn Institute but no luck so far

 

[Ninjahat]

By the way, to those people thinking that the message must be very simple as they want us to understand it, here is an example real message that we have sent for aliens. See if you can understand it:

http://www.activeseti.org/images/evpatoria_2003.jpg

I see pythagoras ... awesome ;-) Anyhow... your point is exactly what I have always been thinking... first contact won't be simple!

 

[LordZoltan]

I've been trying to get another one, was hoping to sell it at the Canonn Institute but no luck so far

Demand is high, Pat... Dr Arc has his rubber gloves on too. He's positively quivering in expectation.

 

[Zambrick]

bit of vinegar and he'd make a decent portion of chips... on shoulders.

although, in truth, I quite like dynamicbob. I'm not sure why, but I do.

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Completely agree. It was cool stuff on the web before there was cool stuff on the web.

That was the first thing that popped into my mind when I heard the theory of space bugs chasing the big Nebula lights.

 

[Colonel Kenney]

I am 100 % sure we dont need new probes. We have everything it was supposed to deliver. We need the image decoded.

You sure? I'm thinking once the probe is "taken" to where it was sent to find it may actually activate and do something different. Probes seek out things and look. What if it finds something. Or is this something it already found and then moved on?


I'm really thinking this is a planet with an atmosphere, next to a gas giant, possible even earth like. Those are the top markers. Then the bottom markers more specifically its looking for 2 unique angular or orbital features.

 

[Ozric]

I'm wondering, as I'm sure others have, if the thing we're missing isn't simply the correct ship. The UAs scan for a certain type of ship, the UPs are sent out to find the ship. When it's scanned by that ship, the message will be complete.

 

[who?]

Only thing bugging me is if the UA broadcast isn't meant to be for humans to find and understand, why use an ancient human broadcast technique with a human alphabet?

The only two possibilities I can think of is the makers are human (one of the galactic powers or other factions) or the makers are human (The Missing).

If you mean the location name that the UA transmit - it could make sense that any intelligent species would learn and re-transmit our placenames and coordinate systems etc. The UA might simply be saying "send the battle fleet to the Nav Beacon that transmits [morse code for Sol]".

As for why they use Morse encoding for the ship schematics, it's less easy to explain. Maybe if the UAs were already programmed to send Morse (to re-transmit human Nav Beacon signals & locations) it makes sense to continue using it?

 

[Ozric]

I'm really thinking this is a planet with an atmosphere, next to a gas giant, possible even earth like. Those are the top markers. More specifically its looking for 2 unique angular or orbital features.

If it's got an atmosphere, then we're buggered for a couple of years

 

[Colonel Kenney]

Merope to Sol is about 360 LY - I think we need to start searching a bubble that size away from the bubble for UP's.

Also someone searching for planets that match the diagram instead of trying to force it to be merope. Don't worry about actual coords on the ground just find the right planet to take the UP to.

 

[iFred]

You sure? I'm thinking once the probe is "taken" to where it was sent to find it may actually activate and do something different. Probes seek out things and look. What if it finds something. Or is this something it already found and then moved on?


I'm really thinking this is a planet with an atmosphere, next to a gas giant, possible even earth like. Those are the top markers. Then the bottom markers more specifically its looking for 2 unique angular or orbital features.

And because they know we just are in Season 2 with only being able to land on non-atmospheric planets they have put the sign towards Merope 5C? Could be true

(J/K of course - any theory is better than none at the moment)

 

[L1ONEL]

I don t know if it was already said , but it seems we don t need anymore a permit to Orion Nebula and around

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

OK, so I know there's been a lot of static, but you're kidding right? Nobody has tested out a UP within the UA shell yet?

It's hard when people seem to lose the UP after a few tests.

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It's not hostility, it's dismay.
When a defacto leader of Canonn dismisses a line of research out of hand it sends the wrong message.

I've made a simple request because my skills aren't up to the job.
Something that would take about 30 seconds for someone who knows morse.

Now that line of inquiry is buried and unlikely to be followed up because we've now heard from MB again and there'll be another wild goose chase to interpret another set of utterly vague comments.

What was your request?

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Sorry - how exactly does my lack of faith in the idea have any bearing on whether anyone helps? There is no control here.

And I am not a 'defacto leader'. Never said I was. Never have been. Never will.

Sure people said I was, but that was their own view.

I think it's because you have "Lord" in your user name. I'm going to change mine to His Royal Highness, Prince Runcible Shaw and see if people will listen to me. Very few people do currently and that's okay. Either I'm not making points well, at the right time, or in a way that intrigues people. Sometimes even science is a popularity contest.

 

[Ninjahat]

By the way, to those people thinking that the message must be very simple as they want us to understand it, here is an example real message that we have sent for aliens. See if you can understand it:

http://www.activeseti.org/images/evpatoria_2003.jpg

You sure? I'm thinking once the probe is "taken" to where it was sent to find it may actually activate and do something different. Probes seek out things and look. What if it finds something. Or is this something it already found and then moved on?


I'm really thinking this is a planet with an atmosphere, next to a gas giant, possible even earth like. Those are the top markers. Then the bottom markers more specifically its looking for 2 unique angular or orbital features.

I had the same thought way back... maybe it has an atmosphere and just maybe FDev will really surprise us with the ability to land on planets with an atmosphere in version 2.4!? :-D

Reason: The UA was one huge lead-in to planetary landings and the finding of barnacles.
How arctic cool would it be if the UP was another lead-in for maybe atmospheric flight? ;-)

 

[who?]

Ok, not sure if this has been considered (probably has), but players tend to look at these things from the perspective of "oh, this is for me!"

But as we know, the UA isn't for us, its for the aliens, gathering intel.

Why are people looking at this from the perspective of a key for us... and if so, why do people think its a good idea to decrypt it!

Maybe its something for the aliens. So stop reading the image from a human centric point of view. Look at it from the alien point of view. Its perhaps not pointing to somewhere, but from somewhere.

Just throwing this out there, because i'm too dumb to actually solve this myself.

I guess it's good to ask -

What is the purpose of a probe?
Why would a probe respond to an incoming scan (or some specific forms of energy)?
Why is its response an incredibly powerful emission, enough to disable nearby craft?
Why is there data apparently encoded in this emission?

(possible answers)
A probe is designed to find stuff.
If a probe is scanned, it's found sentient life.
If the emission is a transmission, it might need to be very powerful if it's targeting a distant receiver.
If it's sending a transmission, the encoded data could possibly be what it has found, and where it was found.

 

[Cynaqq]

If you mean the location name that the UA transmit - it could make sense that any intelligent species would learn and re-transmit our placenames and coordinate systems etc. The UA might simply be saying "send the battle fleet to the Nav Beacon that transmits [morse code for Sol]".

As for why they use Morse encoding for the ship schematics, it's less easy to explain. Maybe if the UAs were already programmed to send Morse (to re-transmit human Nav Beacon signals & locations) it makes sense to continue using it?

Yes, location names are very easy to get away with (as the dev) since they are already broadcast by nav beacons. The ship schematics are another story though because it relies on the latin alphabet sequence to be meaningful drawings.

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

Are you kidding?
I did a thousand tests in Aries Dark Region GW-W D1-52 with my UP and a free floater, before discovering the HONK THING.

ANYWAY:

We are able to found THAT SYSTEM, we have the message!
Like others have already said, the SPHERE in the spectrogram could be the UA SHELL.

1) The UA was sent do discover other life forms and to report about them: it discovered US and our technology (our ships)
2) the UP then was sent to tell us where the FIRST CONTACT will occur

Remember?

http://i.imgur.com/bV99bBE.jpg

No real reason for it to represent a sphere, even though the UA shell is spherical. The disk of the galaxy is so flat that the direction could just be in the plane of the disk.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I like it. Simple.

And I liked your reply about the reason for the first quadrant to be at bottom right: the need to have a 138° angle.
And I liked all the four instructions you've proposed. The two beams of light the most
I was starting to do a similar experiment before losing the UP: I was hovering M5c with the UP in hold, honking all around it.
Problem is that the planet is huge, and hovering all of it and honking could be a pain, and too random.

There should be some more detailed place to search IMHO. But who knows?

yes I like it too, nice & elegant,. But I am confused Riz
I thought you said in one of your early posts that the UP doesnt respond to ADS honks while in your hold?

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

It's all good - great power and all that jibber jabber
Just someone listen to the flippin' video and write down the morse for me!!
Pretty please - there'll be biscuits.

Sorry, which video? There's a plethora.

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Yeah, I agree, there's something there about that. That's an interesting thought, too - does Merope 5C have a true pole star? Not very likely, but possible...

Or perhaps it's just somewhere else in the Merope system.

Or... if the circle does represent the shell, we simply need to know from which orientation we should be looking at it. What does it look like from Sol's vantage point, for example - and do the quadrants line up with anything in particular?

I don't think there's anything new in any of that - I am aware a lot of people have all said the same thing at different times.

Easy to check. Just go to the pole(s) and look at the zenith (no not that zenith). Look for the brightest star closest to the pole. I mean there's nothing special about Polaris. It's not even exactly at the pole, and in 33-whatever it probably isn't anymore either.

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BUT
why do UPs always point to Merope5C? This behaviour does not make any sense if the solution to the sonogram picture is somewhere in the UA shell with Merope as the centre. The UP would then more logically point to the Merope star, just like UAs do.

Sonogram:

Spectrogram:

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

As a pedantic retired scientist, I would point out that you can never prove a theory is right! Truth has nothing to do with science, truth is for religion and philosophy. A good theory is just useful (because it answers all the current evidence and supports useful prediction) until it becomes evident from experiment that it is wrong. MB's comment means exactly what it says- that theory is testable, but that does not mean that it is correct

Out of rep. +1 virtual.