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This made me laugh so loud when I read it lol .
point 1 ,I think you mean Mental skill and not Metal skill =D
point 2 ,i'm in the top 1% of the population .
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Thanks for the giggle tho.
UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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This made me laugh so loud when I read it lol .
point 1 ,I think you mean Mental skill and not Metal skill =D
point 2 ,i'm in the top 1% of the population .
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Thanks for the giggle tho.
On the contrary, I think it's quite deliberate since it allows them to drip-feed a storyline over months or years; and they've shown themselves really quite skilled at that.
Think how many games have the entire story uploaded to the Internet on day 1 after launch, which is what you'd get with a non-choked puzzle.
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You clearly haven't come out of supercruise right alongside one of the stations with the thumpers...
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I definitely remember from the UP audio on the front page that the purrs are different in at least one of them, which might be the one on Merope 5c itself.
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Who was it that said good to be testing the UP in different places?
The UP Merope recordings had a pulse about every 11 to 12 seconds.
Am frustratingly close to becoming an Elite explorer and didn’t want to do another long run to Sag A or other faraway places. So I figured I’d look around for black holes and neutron stars closer to home. My original intention was to post a list of these systems to help new cmdr’s boost their explorer stats but thought it may be of some use here also.
I set the map to find B type’s and found a fair few being accompanied with said stars expanding out from the Pleiades towards Barnard’s Loop.
I’d only spent about half hour sifting through them but was surprised by how many there were. I also found the start of a breadcrumb trail on the way to the Elephants Trunk but stopped as play time becomes sleepy time.
Something else I’ve wondered is if the Unknown Artefact, Probe and Fragments would somehow become the key to the (Requires Unknown Permit). Are they using a play on words there?
I’ll apologise now if any/all this is useless to the “investigation”.
A list of the black holes….
4 Kappa Leporis
GCRV 4981 (is a small nebula)
HIP 11424
HIP 12619
HIP 17000 (as featured in this video)
HIP 21251
HIP 21350
HIP 24851 (2 black holes)
HIP 24936
HIP 25171
HIP 25818
HIP 25881 (permit locked)
HIP 26642
HIP 27395 (black hole & neutron star)
HIP 28089
HR 1185
HD 206 (3 black holes)
HD 223684 (black hole & neutron star)
Neutron stars…
20 Tau Orionis
33 Tauri
93 Ceti
HD 2218
HIP 19281
HIP 19478 (2x neutron stars)
HIP 21813
HIP 22146
HIP 22185
HIP 22682
HIP 23295
HIP 23328 (permit locked)
HIP 26365
HIP 26778
HIP 27368 (permit locked)
HR 1761 (permit locked)
HR 1873 (permit locked)
I haven't yet visited any of them but will do a rare-trade-route type thing personally.
I set the map to find B type’s and found a fair few being accompanied with said stars expanding out from the Pleiades towards Barnard’s Loop.
I’d only spent about half hour sifting through them but was surprised by how many there were. I also found the start of a breadcrumb trail on the way to the Elephants Trunk but stopped as play time becomes sleepy time.
Something else I’ve wondered is if the Unknown Artefact, Probe and Fragments would somehow become the key to the (Requires Unknown Permit). Are they using a play on words there?
I’ll apologise now if any/all this is useless to the “investigation”.
A list of the black holes….
4 Kappa Leporis
GCRV 4981 (is a small nebula)
HIP 11424
HIP 12619
HIP 17000 (as featured in this video)
HIP 21251
HIP 21350
HIP 24851 (2 black holes)
HIP 24936
HIP 25171
HIP 25818
HIP 25881 (permit locked)
HIP 26642
HIP 27395 (black hole & neutron star)
HIP 28089
HR 1185
HD 206 (3 black holes)
HD 223684 (black hole & neutron star)
Neutron stars…
20 Tau Orionis
33 Tauri
93 Ceti
HD 2218
HIP 19281
HIP 19478 (2x neutron stars)
HIP 21813
HIP 22146
HIP 22185
HIP 22682
HIP 23295
HIP 23328 (permit locked)
HIP 26365
HIP 26778
HIP 27368 (permit locked)
HR 1761 (permit locked)
HR 1873 (permit locked)
I haven't yet visited any of them but will do a rare-trade-route type thing personally.
dynamicbob
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Youll find a lot of large data caches in those black hole and neutron systems
hey, that ship parks like we do. Nose down, floating in the air looking at some random thing in the middle of a pasture.
dynamicbob
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its the invasion of the eggs, i wonder if the UP have a linguistic component.
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another thought do the 8 new federation outposts have something to do with it
I think the imperials are already in the process of overthrowing all the federation minor factions inserted in favour of the other minor factions put in each system. Htats just an observation of minor faction values but it might do something indirectly to the UP storyline
Haha you are correct indeed - I got in bed last night and suddenly realised. Would need another fixed reference point. Perhaps the left arc therefore could signal the tidally locked planet in which case perhaps then it could be pinpointed...?
Thanks for bursting my bubble!
Following on from the assumption that, if the UP points to Merope 5c, then logically, free floating UP's should spawn in Merope system somewhere, I conducted a search of 5c's Lagrange points, as best as i could eyeball.
First I flew to a point where 5c eclipsed 5, and flew at minimum supercruise until orbital HUD popped up. This should have covered L2.
Then I flew toward 5, until I was satisfied that I had passed through L1
Then I continued past 5, until I was at the orbit line for 5c, and 5 eclipsed 5c.
After that I continued on the orbit line until distance to 5c and 5 were the same, on orbit line, on both sides of 5c. This should have covered L4 and L5.
Flying from L4 to L5, I also investigated a region I think is roughly 30 degrees forward and behind 5c on it's orbit (based on the 2 radial lines on left of UP symbol)
I also investigated L1 between Merope 5 and 6, and as best I could determine, L3, L4 and L5 for Merope 5 relative to Merope itself.
At each zone, I used the Discovery scanner, but at best I only discovered an Encoded Emmisions USS.
I still think if we are going to discover UP's free floating, it'll be in Merope system, as that would explain the specific pointing to a planet.
Maybe at Zenith or Nadir points?
First I flew to a point where 5c eclipsed 5, and flew at minimum supercruise until orbital HUD popped up. This should have covered L2.
Then I flew toward 5, until I was satisfied that I had passed through L1
Then I continued past 5, until I was at the orbit line for 5c, and 5 eclipsed 5c.
After that I continued on the orbit line until distance to 5c and 5 were the same, on orbit line, on both sides of 5c. This should have covered L4 and L5.
Flying from L4 to L5, I also investigated a region I think is roughly 30 degrees forward and behind 5c on it's orbit (based on the 2 radial lines on left of UP symbol)
I also investigated L1 between Merope 5 and 6, and as best I could determine, L3, L4 and L5 for Merope 5 relative to Merope itself.
At each zone, I used the Discovery scanner, but at best I only discovered an Encoded Emmisions USS.
I still think if we are going to discover UP's free floating, it'll be in Merope system, as that would explain the specific pointing to a planet.
Maybe at Zenith or Nadir points?
dynamicbob
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Have any imperial pilot groups tried to force the federation capital ships to withdrawl from the barnacle spawn points or the insystem capital ship beacons ?
If there are UPs in Merope, they must be a massive distance out. Because that system has had a ridiculous number of players searching in it for many months and apart from the odd barnacle, nobody has found a single shred of anything unusual.
Some cmdrs did this in the past. The capitalships flee and get replaced by another one. This doesn't help.
Tryed once to attack one on my own....didn't worked well for me
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If they are THAT far out in the merope system, the chances that somone find them is nearly zero. We can detect signals only in a distance of 1000ls and when we fly with 1000c or more so far out you don't even have time to decelerate before the USS disappear.
But we can travel at 1000c for 30 minutes and then slow down. No one looking for signals seriously does it at that speed. It doesn't work.
I decided to check the Lagrange points, because, despite the number of players in Merope, most seem to focus on the planets and the direct paths to them. I basically omitted L1 points because of this.
L3, 4 and 5 are a bit off the beaten path, so I thought an up-close investigation was warranted.
We've had it mentioned that free floating UP's DO exist, somewhere. Also, we've had it said that once we do find them, it'll appear to be completely logical, even if only in hindsight.
Trying to narrow possible searches to logical but not immediately apparent, I worked with the Fact that UPs point to a body that is only distinguishably different from it's parent star from within system, and that if they appear within that system, where would they have to be to not get noticed already.
If the UP's do not spawn within Merope, I'd be interested in why they point to 5C, especially considering the barnacles are coincidental, not directly related, and nothing else of note has been found there.
Also, the UP mystery is supposed to be solvable from 1.5/1.6, so no planetside investigations should be necessary.
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If we are going to look for a "shell" at supercruise, we need a range of distances to search between. Just flying for 30min at 1000c could have us massively overshoot (or undershoot)
I'm inclined to think the symbol doesn't point to where we'll find free floating UP's (at least, not directly), but that we'll get a cleaner, potentially more detailed image from a free floating UP, and we need that to solve the puzzle.
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Maybe to explore this we need another spreadsheet project like the m5c planet grid: a list of distances from the center and different people can fly out to the distance and loiter to see if a uss shows up. The question is, do we start from m5c or from merope? If we think we were supposed to find free floaters first, we should probably use Merope as the center, like the UAs indicate. If we're trying to find what the UP's say, it's M5c, but if we go out far enough those two spheres overlap anyway so probably doesn't matter.
We'd at least be able to rule out that theres a really obvious cant miss it shell of FFUPs inside Merope system, like at the spawn rate of the UAs.
dynamicbob
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Maybe theres something unrelated we need before something will move forward at merope
could be a lot of references though.
The main problem with all the ideas pointed out here (including some of mine), they are based on assumptions.
So lets go back over the facts:
- UA´s were found & they send morse code about objects in vincinity
* to whom and in which direction they transmit is speculative, same applies for the reason (collect scientifis data, military related ....)
- UA´s point to Merope System
- UP´s were found (indirectly) and they send EMP-Puls, upon beeing triggered by scan, which contains a sonic diagram.
Diagram may either be:
a) message in the bottle from UP Makers to finder of UP, containing information, either/or
a1 where to go (with/without UP or where to get UP, as were the latter doesn´t make sense as You have an UP already if U read the message
a2 what to do with UP
a3 where makers can be contacted (origin of UP)
b) part of UP´s nav data, e.g.
b1 last ref-point
b2 point of origin
c) part of UP´s task programing ->
c1 point UP was going to go to before intercepted by Convoi owning faction
c2 point to send data to after task fulfilled
- UP´s at pointing at Merope 5C
c3 point where UP was intercepted
Assuming a) would be the purpose of the diagram, it only would make sense if all three (a1-a3) are contained, similar to the Voyager discs.
Giving only one of that three information is just a galactic version of hide and seek, and a race intelligent enough to manufacture/grow things like UA/UP would be to intelligent to miss that
Should it be b1, b2, c1, c2 or c3, the diagram shows a 2D representation of 3D space.
To do so, U need a reference point (0;0;0) and two vectors r and s to define the orientation of the 2D plane you are drawing on in 3D space
Ref points in that case may be the center of the diagram or the outer end of the diagonal.
Only symbol which resemble vectors are in Group l--, spaced approx. 30°.
Referencing those vectors to (any) body within Merope System (except for one vector to Merope A maybe) doesn´t make any sense, as all bodies beside of Merope A change position with time (Newtonian) and in Diagram until now no specific time-stamp has been found, hence a solution based on vectoring within Merope system would produce a circle (or even more complex figure) of points depending on timeline.
Vectoring references either to two external systems or one external plus Merope A produces a fixed orientattion plane.
From that angle, two obvious approaches come on hand -
either
1. Vector r to Merope A and Vector s to Maia (Black-hole), or
2. Vector r and s applied to two external systems, which in view from Merope have a spacing of the 30° shown
Approach 1. again has the disadvantage that in this case the reference point logically would be Merope5 / Merope5C, which would result in the fact that you get the shown 30° angle only at 2 specific points during Merope5 revolution around MeropeA, and with this two different planes of orientation, some around 90° perpendicular to each other, depending on Merope5´s exentricity.
Approach 2. was describedin my earlier post #8216, page 548, vector targets and scaling to be defined (my chosen ones only because obvious from my point of view)
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ok, so, basically there are 3 areas where general signals spawn: close to a bodhi, in a shipping lane or in deep space.
If floating UPs are in any any of these areas it doesn't matter how far you travel in supercruise, you are in deep space already. The only one that is a bit different is being close to a body, as some signals only spawn when in close to certain type of body, e.g. satellites.
if the UP is not spawning in a general area and in spawning in a more specific location we just can't find it because we are missing clues, it will be like trying to find the voyagers without knowing what system are they in, what distance or what direction.
I'm looking for floating UPs in general signal spawning areas.
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