The Star Citizen Thread v5

[GordFreeman]

You didn't try to, but Briguy did.

I'm just saying that using 'for an alpha' for SC is a valid clause many times, regardless of whether or not the current state is 'better' or 'worse' than ED was. That's irrelevant.

And if someone wants to put on their nostalgia-glasses in regards to ED, I have no problem demolishing them, one frame at a time.

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I dunno.

The company offering 15 grand ship packs had better be prepared for some scrutiny, y'know?

...and when that scrutiny is ill-informed... 'alpha' works splendidly.

 

[Tippis]

I'm just saying that using 'for an alpha' for SC is a valid clause many times, regardless of whether or not the current state is 'better' or 'worse' than ED was. That's irrelevant.

No, it's not irrelevant, because it provides a point of comparisons.
As such, the only valid way of using “for an alpha” when talking about SC is when it is a variation on the theme “it's really broken, even…”.

 

[hairychris]

Gord, I got into ED at the beta stage after keeping tabs on it from early alpha.

When's SC's beta due?

EDIT: Beta is adding functionality after core is pretty much locked down.

 

[Osmanthus]

I'm just saying that using 'for an alpha' for SC is a valid clause many times, regardless of whether or not the current state is 'better' or 'worse' than ED was. That's irrelevant.

And if someone wants to put on their nostalgia-glasses in regards to ED, I have no problem demolishing them, one frame at a time.

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...and when that scrutiny is ill-informed... alpha works splendidly.

Well, then SC has been in alpha for a bizarrely long time and hasn't shown much sign of improvement. This does not spell great news for future development. Add to that all the broken promises and missed release dates.

The fact we're even calling it alpha is out of convenience, but that's another matter.

Gord, I got into ED at the beta stage after keeping tabs on it from early alpha.

When's SC's beta due?

Good question indeed.

 

[GordFreeman]

...because even on those terms, SC is a horrible mess.

Irrelevant. It's still an alpha.

 

[Osmanthus]

Irrelevant. It's still an alpha.

And it's still a horrible mess. And it's been a horrible mess for a long time, and there's no real sign it'll stop being a horrible mess anytime soon.

 

[GordFreeman]

The fact we're even calling it alpha is out of convenience, but that's another matter.

No. It's most certainly under heavy development. So whether you call it alpha or pre-alpha doesn't really matter. But it sure isn't beta.

...hasn't shown much sign of improvement.

Many many many people would disagree with you, especially after the gamescom demo.

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And it's still a horrible mess. And it's been a horrible mess for a long time, and there's no real sign it'll stop being a horrible mess anytime soon.

So much substantialness!!!!!

Your arguments are getting better by the minute!

 

[Tippis]

Irrelevant. It's still an alpha.

It really isn't. At best, it's a tech demo. And again, this is something even CIG has said when they've slipped up and been accidentally honest.

 

[Monk]

Sorry Monk. You gave it your best shot...

Is disgruntled neutral a character type?

Because that is me...

I'm torn between multiple perspectives that CIG/RSI are dragging the project along for the benefit a few at the top of a company filled with great and talented people, a confused and naive management just bungling the whole thing, or a project with such a burgeoning scope that the light of the end of the tunnel isn't even visible yet.

I believe in the dream that is Sq42 and Star Citizen, but I fear that dream will remain a fantasy.

 

[Osmanthus]

No. It's most certainly under heavy development. So whether you call it alpha or pre-alpha doesn't really matter. But it sure isn't beta.


Many many many people would disagree with you, especially after the gamescom demo.

The gamescom demo is not part of what's been released. When it's part of what's been released, then you might be right. But those many, many many people are wrong right now. Also, you're trying to invoke an appeal to popularity to somehow prove me wrong

 

[GordFreeman]

Gord, I got into ED at the beta stage after keeping tabs on it from early alpha.

When's SC's beta due?

EDIT: Beta is adding functionality after core is pretty much locked down.

Dunno.

 

[Osmanthus]

Dunno.

And that's why the future of SC looks bleak.

 

[GordFreeman]

The gamescom demo is not part of what's been released. When it's part of what's been released, then you might be right. But those many, many many people are wrong right now. Also, you're trying to invoke an appeal to popularity to somehow prove me wrong

No. I'm invoking how obviously subjective your statement is. There's still lots of improvement before the gamescom demo. But that demo just showed a big leap in improvement.

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And that's why the future of SC looks bleak.

Something substantial please.

 

[Osmanthus]

No. I'm invoking how obviously subjective your statement is. There's still lots of improvement before the gamescom demo. But that demo just showed a big leap in improvement.

It did NOT because that demo is NOT in the alpha. They promise it will be in December, which means nothing until December.

 

[hairychris]

Dunno.

Well, after their core mechanics have been put down (excluding tweaks).

Is there any sign of this happening.

I mean... open development shoud at least give you a basic roadmap. Mmm?

 

[GordFreeman]

It really isn't. At best, it's a tech demo. And again, this is something even CIG has said when they've slipped up and been accidentally honest.

It doesn't matter what you call it. You can try your darndest to disparage it with 'tech demo' if it makes you feel like a big boy. The point is, it's still under development.

 

[Monk]

Something substantial please.

The lack of a beta is troubling when we are still supposed to be on track for Sq42 this year (unless that has changed and I missed it).

Or is the current SC build supposed to be Alpha for SC AND Beta for Sq42, simultaneously (it's not)?

 

[Tippis]

It doesn't matter what you call it.

This is correct. It is horribly broken mess no matter what you try to label it, and with no solid foundation in sight to ever remedy that situation.

 

[GordFreeman]

It did NOT because that demo is NOT in the alpha. They promise it will be in December, which means nothing until December.

They showed us what they're working on. It does not mean nothing, no matter how many times you say it.

 

[Osmanthus]

They showed us what they're working on. It does not mean nothing, no matter how many times you say it.

So where's Star Marine? They showed us that last year and said it would be out in 'weeks not months'. But I don't see it. Would you have made this argument for Star Marine too, a year ago?