The Star Citizen Thread v5

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Osmanthus

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Mu77ley said:
Hurrah! I wouldn't wish Python on my worst enemy. ;)

Python does seem to be heavily used in academia though, judging by friends who work there.

I'm amazed Fortran is still around, I remember I did some work experience at a software company when I was at school (aka the week I learnt and wrote a text adventure in Pascal), and they were in the middle of phasing out their old Fortran stuff then. That would have been 1986 or so. *feels old*
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I must confess I do use Python quite a lot for plotting and stuff like that! Never for heavy lifting though, that seems a bit silly =P

The other great thing about Fortran (and maybe I'm biased in saying this since it's the first of only a few languages I'm familiar with) is that it's easy to learn in the context of numerical analysis. It's reasonably logical for numerical work, other than the bizarre column indentation from '77, and doesn't require understanding of too many concepts of programming other than general good practice things like commenting and readable structure. At least in my opinion, but then I'm a boring person
 

briguy168

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Mu77ley said:
Hurrah! I wouldn't wish Python on my worst enemy. ;)

Python does seem to be heavily used in academia though, judging by friends who work there.

I'm amazed Fortran is still around, I remember I did some work experience at a software company when I was at school (aka the week I learnt and wrote a text adventure in Pascal), and they were in the middle of phasing out their old Fortran stuff then. That would have been 1986 or so. *feels old*
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I'm learning Python and it's pretty great, especially if you work in Linux! IMHO, far easier to deal with than Java (which is what I learned first).
 

Barking_Mad

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Monk said:
It is a tough but workable management style. I've been in such an environment before. If you get a good team that communicates well you will be producing results that make management happy. I don't really see it as a detriment to CR, it is just his way and we aren't required to consider him a "nice guy."

What I take issue with is his management of the project life cycle. What I observe as problematic are scope creep, missed deadlines with no revised deadlines, no control over expectations, over-reactions and overall tone deafness (metaphorically).
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I didnt post it necessarily and a criticism - although it should be noted that he's been accused by people who have left of wanting work done a certain way, only then to demand it re-doing it another way. Which is his prerogative, but it's not probably good for morale or more importantly the project if it's continually done without fair reason (ie he got out of bed on a different side and decided he no longer likes that way).
 

1500

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Mu77ley said:
Hurrah! I wouldn't wish Python on my worst enemy. ;)

Python does seem to be heavily used in academia though, judging by friends who work there.

I'm amazed Fortran is still around, I remember I did some work experience at a software company when I was at school (aka the week I learnt and wrote a text adventure in Pascal), and they were in the middle of phasing out their old Fortran stuff then. That would have been 1986 or so. *feels old*
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From my very limited exposure to people who use Python, it ends up getting used as an alternative to MATLAB, while also being used to collect data from lab experiments. I have toyed with the idea of learning it, but never got around to it. I am very happy doing everything in C. And yes, it seems if you use Linux you have to learn Python as a badge of honor or something.
 
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Zyll Goliat

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jcrg99 said:
What happened with the "rule of cool" that those Star Citizens defend all the time? So, now, that is not important at all? For the main feature of the game, which is combat, that shouldn't be cool? Amazing.
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You silly man the "rule of cool" card its only relevant when commander Roberts aprove it first.....
 

Monk

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Barking_Mad said:
I didnt post it necessarily and a criticism - although it should be noted that he's been accused by people who have left of wanting work done a certain way, only then to demand it re-doing it another way. Which is his prerogative, but it's not probably good for morale or more importantly the project if it's continually done without fair reason (ie he got out of bed on a different side and decided he no longer likes that way).
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You are right...it generally is not good for morale and you are going to lose some top talent doing this. However, not everyone recoils at this behavior. Some just see it as part of an iterative process, but it does get tiresome. I just don't think that is his biggest problem. The immense scope and the laundry list of promises made are the biggest roadblocks to completion.
 

Barking_Mad

Barking_Mad
Monk said:
You are right...it generally is not good for morale and you are going to lose some top talent doing this. However, not everyone recoils at this behavior. Some just see it as part of an iterative process, but it does get tiresome. I just don't think that is his biggest problem. The immense scope and the laundry list of promises made are the biggest roadblocks to completion.
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Agreed.
 

Monk

Monk
CMDR_Orlando said:
Do you think Braben didn't approved instant ship transfers?
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I think, like any good manager, DB trusted his team to make the right decision. I'm sure the heat generated on the forum has probably caused him to raise an eyebrow but there is still more feedback and tweaking to come.

Contrast to CR, in whom I see a micro-manager, he most likely wants to have explicit approval over even the small details.
 

1500

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Monk said:
I think, like any good manager, DB trusted his team to make the right decision. I'm sure the heat generated on the forum has probably caused him to raise an eyebrow but there is still more feedback and tweaking to come.

Contrast to CR, in whom I see a micro-manager, he most likely wants to have explicit approval over even the small details.
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Well the letter from the ex-employee stated that CR would focus and give input on the laces on the boots of the player models. That that is not a sign of a micro manager I am not sure what is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3lyfb1/david_jennison_former_lead_character_artist_in/

Everything is of equal importance- the laces on the boot are just as important as the overall value pallet and silhouette, in many cases more.
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Monk

Monk
1500 said:
That is the coolest thing ever. But then I am a rope rescue guy, so love knots and stuff.
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What can I say? Eh, uhm, I got a thing for shoelaces. Girls with no show socks, nice sneakers and cute shoelaces....mmmm

*runs away in embarrassment*
 

Osmanthus

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1500 said:
From my very limited exposure to people who use Python, it ends up getting used as an alternative to MATLAB, while also being used to collect data from lab experiments. I have toyed with the idea of learning it, but never got around to it. I am very happy doing everything in C. And yes, it seems if you use Linux you have to learn Python as a badge of honor or something.
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That's definitely how I use Python. My old professors loved it because it's free and capable for that kind of work
 

Skizomeuh

Skizomeuh
Yeah... Quite demanding and control freak on superfluous superficial details (for a space sim) yet full of evasive and unfocused "sort ofs" and "kind ofs" regarding fundamentals.
 
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