So open is no more viable...

[verminstar]

I used to enjoy open but when others don't role play and just play to annoy it just become a pain. Its an issue with all mp games. They just don't work except for when you want a fight. Most people do try to role play but you only need one idiot a day to ruin it.

Got interdicted once by a role playing pirate, and because he seemed cordial enough to go through with the role play, I played along and dropped some cargo...guy opened up on me the moment I did so saying he never wanted the cargo, just wanted to see if I was dumb enough to fall for it.

Role players? Yeah whatever ^^

 

[Cmdr Esteban]

Operation SpIcY BoIs is in full swing. This community will be brought to its knees. Protip: Stay out of open. It belongs to SDC and the Americans.

And combat loggers.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Combat logging is a tried and true tactic against Schadenfreude-harvesters

With all due respect (and I will word this so as not to direct offense at ANYONE), but combat logging is actually a tool used by so called "grievers". They will attack people who are weaker than them, then log when they face a superior attacker. Your defense of the practice is , in reality, a defense of the anti-social online gaming attitudes you are criticizing. You may think everyone who combats in open is trolling, but as a legitimate online gamer, I have never seen the tactic of logging used legitimately. It has only ever been used by gankers attempting to escape some justice. Players who do not want to play online should play in private or solo, that is what the game modes are for. Or play on mobius if you still want to )7 people without them attacking you.

EDIT: They may go online to harvest the tears, but they must come to the forum to mine the salt no?

 

[Sunleader]

Open is not really Open anyways.

Thanks to Instancing. Open is like Joining a Random Private Group.


To me Open would be interesting if we all Played in the same Instance.

Being thrown into a Room with 3-5 Random Guys is not Open Play to me.

 

[Herbrand]

With all due respect (and I will word this so as not to direct offense at ANYONE), but combat logging is actually a tool used by so called "grievers". They will attack people who are weaker than them, then log when they face a superior attacker. Your defense of the practice is , in reality, a defense of the anti-social online gaming attitudes you are criticizing. You may think everyone who combats in open is trolling, but as a legitimate online gamer, I have never seen the tactic of logging used legitimately. It has only ever been used by gankers attempting to escape some justice. Players who do not want to play online should play in private or solo, that is what the game modes are for. Or play on mobius if you still want to )7 people without them attacking you.

EDIT: They may go online to harvest the tears, but they must come to the forum to mine the salt no?

Yes, some griefers also use it because, ultimately, they are the cowards: they pick fight against defenseless explorers because they are cowards, and when they meet their match they flee for the cowards they are, because being destroyed, in their eyes, is an act of submission. They destroy other ships to assert their dominance of others, possibly for personal psychological issues of their own but ultimately for no legitimate in-game reason.

This still does not address my point, I would say.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Yes, some griefers also use it because, ultimately, they are the cowards: they pick fight against defenseless explorers because they are cowards, and when they meet their match they flee for the cowards they are, because being destroyed, in their eyes, is an act of submission. They destroy other ships to assert their dominance of others, possibly for personal psychological issues of their own but ultimately for no legitimate in-game reason.

This still does not address my point, I would say.

Watch it there using the word "coward", I got a post deleted for that Most players do actually play for their own psychological gratification, and not for "legitimate" in game reasons. I don't play Elite to help the Empire(because they are not real), I play because it gratifies me to do so. I am addressing your claim that logging is somehow a legitimate way to deal with the problem, when in fact it is part of the overall problem.

 

[Herbrand]

Watch it there using the word "coward", I got a post deleted for that Most players do actually play for their own psychological gratification, and not for "legitimate" in game reasons. I don't play Elite to help the Empire(because they are not real), I play because it gratifies me to do so. I am addressing your claim that logging is somehow a legitimate way to deal with the problem, when in fact it is part of the overall problem.

I understand. My problem is when their personal gratification specifically involves ruining other people's day.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I liked how FD had the time to respond personally to the post SDC made on Reddit about the issues they created, but not to fix the damn issues that have been prevalent since 2.1

You mean someone from support responded... who has nothing to do with the dev side. Hmm... not sure how that stops the devs working on their code.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

OP - generally speaking, CGs are PvE things. All PvP can do is slow you down. Its also a race to get the most bounties/trade/exploration data/etc. Then there are CGs where you have to visit outposts. Outpost visits during CGs in open can be a nightmare trying to get a parking spot.

So, if you want to be efficient, then doing CGs in open is the least efficient way. If you want seat of your pants flying with many a buttock clenching moment, then do it in open. As long as you are aware of what you are letting yourself in for.

 

[verminstar]

Watch it there using the word "coward", I got a post deleted for that Most players do actually play for their own psychological gratification, and not for "legitimate" in game reasons. I don't play Elite to help the Empire(because they are not real), I play because it gratifies me to do so. I am addressing your claim that logging is somehow a legitimate way to deal with the problem, when in fact it is part of the overall problem.

It's not a huge issue fer those who aren't even armed and are just trying to escape...maybe that's why FD have allowed it to continue. Most of those I see crying about combat logging are pvprs who are denied their prize and they don't like that one little bit.

If they come after me fer no reason whatsoever just to kill me, I will use any means at my disposal to survive...ye don't like those means, then don't come after me...your problem not mine ^^

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

It's not a huge issue fer those who aren't even armed and are just trying to escape...maybe that's why FD have allowed it to continue. Most of those I see crying about combat logging are pvprs who are denied their prize and they don't like that one little bit ^^

Well do you PvP online yourself? From this vague generalization, it sounds like you don't, so maybe you are unaware of what it is really like. In MY experience, as someone who DOES enjoy online PvP, loggers are usually just murderers/pirates running away from an unfair fight. When pirating, i find traders usually sit around and give you cargo, or try to escape honestly. If my "prize" was a pirate who had unfairly murdered 3/4 legitimate traders, and that guy then logs when we catch him, I don't see why you should defend his behavior. Another game I play is Rust. In THAT game, when you log off, you fall asleep on the ground. My ideal game would be one where the ship stays there regardless, but the P2P nature of the game would not allow that. Not only that, it would be a bit too much for the casuals who play the game.

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your problem not mine ^^

You say YOUR problem not mine, why have you confused me with with "them" all of a sudden lol? Just because I think combat logging is the tactic of a poor player, does not mean i am chasing you trying to murder you

 

[verminstar]

Well do you PvP online yourself? From this vague generalization, it sounds like you don't, so maybe you are unaware of what it is really like. In MY experience, as someone who DOES enjoy online PvP, loggers are usually just murderers/pirates running away from an unfair fight. When pirating, i find traders usually sit around and give you cargo, or try to escape honestly. If my "prize" was a pirate who had unfairly murdered 3/4 legitimate traders, and that guy then logs when we catch him, I don't see why you should defend his behavior. Another game I play is Rust. In THAT game, when you log off, you fall asleep on the ground. My ideal game would be one where the ship stays there regardless, but the P2P nature of the game would not allow that. Not only that, it would be a bit too much for the casuals who play the game.

Funny ye should say that...last game I came from was more or less pvp only and I was fairly good at it for the 5 and half years I played it. Many others ranging from quake3 and UT from the first one back in 97 or so, right through to 05. Freelancer, Eve, all of them I played pvp only over 2 decades.

So yes...I do know all about online pvp...more than you will ever know obviously.

I'm not defending combat logging but I'm not condemning it either because I see it as a means of denying you a kill...almost like psychological pvp because I have the last laugh while you get nothing but a long meaningful look into the black. It's a means of escaping and that's probably the last thing that pkrs want their prize to have, so your point of view is nothing if not predictable. Of course you don't want them to have any means of escape...yer profile picture demonstrates exactly the sorta game you want ^^

 

[GluttonyFang]

Operation SpIcY BoIs is in full swing. This community will be brought to its knees. Protip: Stay out of open. It belongs to SDC and the Americans.

Can I be there and not be attacked?

Pretty please?

*Chuckles in the background*

 

[jasonbarron]

If they come after me fer no reason whatsoever just to kill me, I will use any means at my disposal to survive...ye don't like those means, then don't come after me...your problem not mine ^^

It'll become your problem in a hurry if Fdev ever catches you doing it.

 

[GluttonyFang]

Open is for SDC and their ilk only.

Oh thanks for the broad brush .-.

 

[Herbrand]

It'll become your problem in a hurry if Fdev ever catches you doing it.

I'll start caring when they will.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Funny ye should say that...last game I came from was more or less pvp only and I was fairly good at it for the 5 and half years I played it. Many others ranging from quake3 and UT from the first one back in 97 or so, right through to 05. Freelancer, Eve, all of them I played pvp only over 2 decades.

So yes...I do know all about online pvp...more than you will ever know obviously.

I'm not defending combat logging but I'm not condemning it either because I see it as a means of denying you a kill...almost like psychological pvp because I have the last laugh while you get nothing but a long meaningful look into the black. It's a means of escaping and that's probably the last thing that pkrs want their prize to have, so your point of view is nothing if not predictable. Of course you don't want them to have any means of escape...yer profile picture demonstrates exactly the sorta game you want ^^

Congrats on playing a handful of online games, when you played those games did you log off rather than die? When you play sports IRL, do you just run off the pitch before the other team scores a goal ?...How is it obvious you know more than me? I am 34 years old and have played games as well for the last 30 years. For someone who claims to be as experienced a gamer as yourself, you really are showing your lack of maturity with these sophomoric braggs. I am referring to Online PvP IN ELITE. It appears already I am not having a genuine discussion of features, but it is descending into snarky rhetoric. Sorry if I hurt your feelings or something..

You say you are not defending combat logging, but if I scroll up that is EXACTLY what you are doing. You then go on to defend it AGAIN in the next sentence lol. Are you just being intellectually dishonest now? I will reiterate my feelings on this, if you combat log out of a fight in ANY game, including this one, then it is my opinion that you are a poor player. You can argue and cry all day about whether or not this is the case, but you will not change my opinion on this. Good luck!

"yer profile picture demonstrates exactly the sorta game you want"

You must have nothing of substance of add to this, if all you can do is go after non sequitur like this. As I said earlier, these Pkrs may have "collecting tear" in-game, but they must have a riot mining the salt from these forum posts

 

[Han_Zen]

Oh thanks for the broad brush .-.

I guess I'm Ilk now. [cry]

Two years in open and only killed one commander and now I'm Ilk.

 

[jasonbarron]

Open is for SDC and their ilk only.
The rest of us play group or solo.

That's nonsense and quite rude. Open is for everybody who enjoys the full range of possibilities that Elite has to offer. For my part, being in Open has made me a much better pilot for having to fly with my head on a spring whilst in high CMDR populated areas, plus learn how to properly outfit my ship and learn to fly it under extreme conditions. I fly exclusively in Open because it's made me a better pilot, and it's the only mode (for me) that can provide the occasional rush. Also, it's crazy how many friends I've made there; in 1500+ hours I've only been the object of 5-6 attacks, and honestly I wish there'd been more. My advocacy for that mode has nothing to do with wanting to destroy other CMDR's specifically or as anyone's "ilk."

 

[GluttonyFang]

But to respond seriously, what SDC's doing here is explained by them:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/51rw58/sdc_commences_operation_spicybois/

While I do find SDC's method somewhat inconsiderate, it is effective to a degree.

Though it can be an issue when there is no one there to suffer the heat meta to come to the forum to complain.

What SDC doing here is definitely allowed, just the course of action might be too costly and backfire with its execution.

The PvP community in ED doesn't get much love on the forum nor in-game, so I'm not surprised that this ends up happening. It's an eventuality that just realized itself. The PvP community tried to get their point across in a civil manner and gets ignored most of the time on the forum and seem to be marginalized to be non-issues when things are game breaking.

Again, not sure if using this kind of strong-arm tactic is the best way to go, but I can see why some believe they are out of options.