So open is no more viable...

No, in this context you are perfectly right.
I thought, wrongly perhaps, that you were calling "griefer" a player that combat-logs that do so to escape griefers himself.

In my experience, it's this despicable class of players who more vocally complain about combat-logging because it deprives them of the tears they so much seek.
Those gankers dug their own grave, and should now sleep in it.

Well I think your attitude is going to hurt all of us in the long run. The so called "bed" they made is the one we all have to sleep in. You say your experience is regarding the "vocal complaints", so you mean on the forum? Not in the actual game then. I wonder how many of the people complaining were legitimate gamers, who you have just deemed "griefers" because they disagreed with you. You keep going on about "tears". Maybe if you cry over losing your ship, then you should try and get a bit less emotionally invested in what is just a game ;)
 
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I just pick my modes to my mood. There is no troubel.

If I want to earn some credits in peacful safety or crush some easy NPC ships on my own I go solo.

When I want to have some tension and I am looking for a challenging fight I go to a weaponized powerplay expansion or an intersting CG in open.

If I want just to hang out with friends I go to the private group.

If I want to fight in a wing I go to my powerplay group and look for a wing in open doing powerplay stuff or looking for a system in (civil-)war (but whats so civil about wars anyway?)

Also if I am just in for a curise through the bubble and see who is there I get my multipurpose python and fly in open. I just avoid going to that dangerous places like CGs or powerplay hotspots if I am not prepared for major pvp (actually I never am, I am not good a pvp - but usually I know how to escape).

It's all about well informed decissions and picking fights one can win or knowing how to get out of a situation one can not possibly win.

Heat meta is a no-brainer and SDC is right to abuse it until Frontier steps in and does away with the overpowered thermal shock and theraml cascade experimental effects.
 
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verminstar

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Well I think your attitude is going to hurt all of us in the long run. The so called "bed" they made is the one we all have to sleep in.

The only ones hurting are the "pvprs" who are all crying out about how safe open is and how nice the community is and why? Because so many have stopped caring and gone to either solo or mobius and are so far, perfectly happy with that. All the crying is coming from the pew pew brigade who have now come to realize that they have less to shoot at...except each other.

The mental image of that makes me all warm and fuzzy inside...could have been so different with us all laughing together instead of solo and mobius players laughing at all the tears from the pew pew crew because they can't get at us anymore ^^
 
The only ones hurting are the "pvprs" who are all crying out about how safe open is and how nice the community is and why? Because so many have stopped caring and gone to either solo or mobius and are so far, perfectly happy with that. All the crying is coming from the pew pew brigade who have now come to realize that they have less to shoot at...except each other.

The mental image of that makes me all warm and fuzzy inside...could have been so different with us all laughing together instead of solo and mobius players laughing at all the tears from the pew pew crew because they can't get at us anymore ^^

Thanks for letting me know about what has been bothering you in other discussions, I only came ere to present MY opinon and talk about MY experience. Perhaps you should message these "pvprs" you are angry with? If you ant to play on Solo or Mobius then do so, I have no problem with that. I go on Open when I am looking for conflict with other players. If "All the crying is coming from the pew pew brigade", then what is it you are doing now? Tip: You really are overusing the words "pewpew" and "crying" a lot, and it is getting more and more ironic the more irate you get ;)

Nice vision of everyone holding hands and laughing, but something tells me it was not in the original vision for a game called "Elite Dangerous" The fact you even derive warm and fuzzy satisfaction from other people not enjoying themselves only goes to prove you have exactly the same desire to "collect tears" as the people you claim to hate. More irony.
 
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Fact is however they dont.
The Reason for that is because FD Knows very well that Punishing People for Logging out when being Griefed. Would effectively be seen by the Community as Supporting Griefers and Legitimating Griefing in the Game as Proper Gameplay.
If this happened Open would be Dead entirely

Quite the contrary actually, combat logging and menu logging's short count down duration is precisely what's making Open so "hostile."

Because their handling of the two out of game mechanics are pushing away legitimate PvP players and ushering random player killers that just want to blow things up.
 

verminstar

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What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I did tell you I come from a rich pvp background, so it would be fair to assume some of those attitudes would work their way into what has become a single player game. If my being in solo means a griefer gets bored of having nothing to grief, then why should I care? They don't care about my game, ergo I don't really care about theirs.

I'm not in the least bit irate...I'm sitting here chuckling whilst reading through the forums while in the SRV searching out arsenic...and in open mode...just under 17000ly from the bubble.

What am I doing here? Same thing you are...stating my opinion. If ye don't like my opinion or the words I use, then there's a mute function ^^
 
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Is this broad brush Saturday .-.?

Why wasn't I informed?

I thought you understood this particular mechanic? Open gets abused...no one plays there. <shrug>

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Quite the contrary actually, combat logging and menu logging's short count down duration is precisely what's making Open so "hostile."

Because their handling of the two out of game mechanics are pushing away legitimate PvP players and ushering random player killers that just want to blow things up.


Only for the PVP players. And the devs really do not care for those folks in this game so...they won't be fixing the issues any time soon! They haven't addressed them in nearly two years now....nothing is going to change on this front!

So let the PK'ers PK...they'll only be one dimensional NPC's...and people can play for their 'challenge' or avoid them in the other 'modes'.
 
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Nice vision of everyone holding hands and laughing, but something tells me it was not in the original vision for a game called "Elite Dangerous"
It is not called Elite Dangerous for the reason you apparantly believe it is. Hint; Pilot's Federation.
 
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Quite the contrary actually, combat logging and menu logging's short count down duration is precisely what's making Open so "hostile."

Because their handling of the two out of game mechanics are pushing away legitimate PvP players and ushering random player killers that just want to blow things up.

"Legitimate PvP" is the Crackpoint here.
Because here is exactly the Problem :)

See Mate.
If we go Strictly by the Rules. Any PvP is Legitimate. Even Interdicting a Sidewinder with 4 Anacondas is Legitimate PvP.
But if we go just as Strictly by the Rules. Combat Logging is Legitimate as well. :)
Because guess what. It is currently neither Punished nor Explicitly stated to be against the Rules its something that you can do and which is not prevented in any way by the Game.

BOTH however has been Stated by FD as being Unsportsmanlike and Undesired Behavior which they dont want to see :)


Legitimate PvPers usually dont encounter Combat Logging. They Fight in Conflict Zones or by doing Duels. They dont Interdict and Gangbang on a Single Weaker Enemy in Super Cruise which is likely not only a much weaker Ship and Outnumbered but not even Equipped for Player vs Player Combat.
So your Claim there that this would drive the Honorable PvPers is Rubbish.
Because People who look for an Honest and Fair Fight will usually not encounter Combat Logging. Which is Logical because they usually Fight each other.



Its a nice Double Standart you guys always like to Employ.
Calling the Unfair and Unsportsmanlike Griefing and Seal Clubbing your doing "Legitimate PvP" while vlaiming the Unsportmanlike Combat Logging to be against the Rules.
In the End what your doing there is abusing a Weakness in the Game Mechanics to Attack Enemies far below your own level.
And the Combat Loggers are doing the exactly same. They are abusing a Weakness in the Game Mechanics to get away from these much more Powerful Enemies far beyond their own level.




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I.ll say this Clearly.
FD will do something about this Problem.
But dont expect them to do it in the way you think it should be done.

Because FD will likely not only Fight the Results of this Problem.
They will also Fight the Roots.

So in the Patchnotes which state that Logging during Combat becomes a Bannable Offense or is simply not possible cause your Ship simply stays in the Game for another 60 Seconds after you Quit.
You should better expect that there will also be standing. That Preying on much Inferior Enemies will become a Bannable Offense. Or that you will gain Insane Legacy Fines and Bounties upon Preying on Enemies much smaller than you.
 
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What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I did tell you I come from a rich pvp background, so it would be fair to assume some of those attitudes would work their way into what has become a single player game. If my being in solo means a griefer gets bored of having nothing to grief, then why should I care? They don't care about my game, ergo I don't really care about theirs.

I'm not in the least bit irate...I'm sitting here chuckling whilst reading through the forums while in the SRV searching out arsenic...and in open mode...just under 17000ly from the bubble.

What am I doing here? Same thing you are...stating my opinion. If ye don't like my opinion or the words I use, then there's a mute function ^^

It is not that I don't like your opinion, I am actively soliciting it. What I am saying is that I am opposed to the mechanic being used, as I find it used by exactly the same griefers you also claim to have a problem with (even though you claim you don't play in Open(even though you continue to contradict yourself in this regard as well)). Also you can claim to have a "rich legacy" in PvP, but in reality, I could easily put that down to exaggeration (especially since in this context, you admit you don't engage in the practice). It is meaningless in this discussion. You just seem to think that because I am disagreeing with you, that I am somehow on the side of the people who have driven you to hide in solo in your little buggy down on some moon. I am saying you are not really equipped for an honest discussion of the feature. But anyway, I will leave you to fight that so called "psychological battle" you are waging against these people who, despite the fact you claim to avoid them, are still somehow plaguing you :D

EDIT: Very Brave of you though, to go in Open 17k from the bubble lol. Watch the skies and make sure you always have that internet cable handy. I bet you even log in solo mode. In any other sport or game, you would not be considered a legitimate gamer. It is strange that this forum has carved out a niche to allow these faux players to express themselves, and openly discuss the ways they choose to exploit the game :)
 
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verminstar

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It is not that I don't like your opinion, I am actively soliciting it. What I am saying is that I am opposed to the mechanic being used, as I find it used by exactly the same griefers you also claim to have a problem with (even though you claim you don't play in Open(even though you continue to contradict yourself in this regard as well)). Also you can claim to have a "rich legacy" in PvP, but in reality, I could easily put that down to exaggeration (especially since in this context, you admit you don't engage in the practice). It is meaningless in this discussion. You just seem to think that because I am disagreeing with you, that I am somehow on the side of the people who have driven you to hide in solo in your little buggy down on some moon. I am saying you are not really equipped for an honest discussion of the feature. But anyway, I will leave you to fight that so called "psychological battle" you are waging against these people who, despite the fact you claim to avoid them, are still somehow plaguing you :D

EDIT: Very Brave of you though, to go in Open 17k from the bubble lol. Watch the skies and make sure you always have that internet cable handy. I bet you even log in solo mode. In any other sport or game, you would not be considered a legitimate gamer. It is strange that this forum has carved out a niche to allow these faux players to express themselves, and openly discuss the ways they choose to exploit the game :)

The details? I play in open now and then when I'm out exploring but always always switch to solo about 100% of the time in the bubble. Wasn't always this way but...well that's another story.

So, I'm not a legitimate gamer? Don't make me laugh...that's about one of the most hilarious statements I have ever seen on any forum. Would love to sit and listen to yer theories about what it means to be a real gamer in your opinion...I bet that would be so funny to listen to.

Where and how I play is my choice and if that means I'm not a real gamer, then...hahaha ok ye whatever. I'd like to see things change so I can to play in open, but until then, I'll stay hiding in solo as you so perfectly describe it. Yer edit is just pure comedy gold...not a legitimate gamer? I'm sorry, it's too funny not to laugh at...ye mind if I put that ridiculous statement into my forum sig? It's just absolutely priceless where ye got that from.

"In any other sport or game"...so if I was say a cyclist, then riding alone would mean I'm not a real cyclist? It's not legitimate if ye play alone...

"I bet you log in solo" Well of course ye do...how else do ye stop playing when pizza arrive? I bet you log in open mode too...choice of wording leaves a lot to be desired, wouldn't ye agree?

The really funny bit being ye went on a full frontal about me logging...after I stated I don't actually use it because I play in solo. Not very good at this are ye ^^
 
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Problem is that your interdicted - you can't avoid that - and you are throw in a fight you can't win.

You can.

If a ship is flying to line behind you, drop out of supercruise.

Boost away twice and then change direction and engage silent running until FSD is ready to re-enter supercruise.

They rarely follow you and even if they will, they won't be able to see your ship on scanners. If they don't follow, wait a bit so they start tailing somebody else.
 
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Is this the weekly Crime & Punishment thread?

I think I'm just gonna start posting in every Crime & Punishment thread I can find from now on, and count them prison style.

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You can.

If a ship is flying to line behind you, drop out of supercruise.

Boost away twice and then change direction and engage silent running until FSD is ready to re-enter supercruise.

They rarely follow you and even if they will, they won't be able to see your ship on scanners. If they don't follow, wait a bit so they start tailing somebody else.

Thanks for the tip.

I was talking about chain interdiction from players...
 
Boost away twice and then change direction and engage silent running until FSD is ready to re-enter supercruise.

Wouldn't recommend it. Tried it once in my Type-9 in a CG. Though I was so clever. And after it became clear that it worked and I wasn't followed, and was about to power everything back up, an NPC dropped out of nowhere on top of me and proceeded to ripping my hull to shreds.
 
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