The Star Citizen Thread v5

[Marak]

But if I ever Find a Dev Team which aint Paving its way with Mistakes. I would be seriously Impressed.

Have you met the FDev team - They may have made a couple of mistakes over the past few years, but no one could ever accuse them of "paving their way" with mistakes.

I will colour you as "impressed".

(And YES spellcheck - It's spelled COLOUR).

 

[Monk]

Your not on my Ignore List yet. Unlike many other People in this Topic.
BECAUSE I did read some other Posts which let me believe your Neutral about this.

But "Poking Fun" is not needed. We dont need even more Troll Comments and Stuff in here than we already get from a Ton of People who do nothing else.
And Mate seriously. "Being more neutral most here" is seriously not an big feat. Most Hardcore Liberals in the World would be more Neutral on Discussing Communism than many people here are on Discussing Star Citizen.

Right now however I seriously dont have any Feeling that there is any real interest in discussing the Game unless its about Trashtalking it.
I dont mind Criticism. After all SC made enough Mistakes. But if I ever Find a Dev Team which aint Paving its way with Mistakes. I would be seriously Impressed.
And between Criticism. And Hate Comments. There is an very big Difference.
These Troll Comments which are Spammed all over the last 3 Pages at least. Are not Criticism.

Lolwut...way to aggrandize something so trivial as a forum thread about a video game. The nature of this thread is what it is, like it or not. When it gets too one-sided, I slink off and post elsewhere. I've levied plenty of criticism and trolling at pretty much every game, including Elite Dangerous...its mah damn right! MURICA and all that

The only game I haven't left a pile of stinking dung on at some point is Subnautica, probably b/c I'm about as in love with that game as you are with Star Citizen (not a bad thing, in my book).

Now, about those trenches...a terraforming gun would be pretty cool, imo. I've had one in Subnautica before and built a chill as heck base at the bottom of the sea.

 

[Osmanthus]

Your not on my Ignore List yet. Unlike many other People in this Topic.
BECAUSE I did read some other Posts which let me believe your Neutral about this.

But "Poking Fun" is not needed. We dont need even more Troll Comments and Stuff in here than we already get from a Ton of People who do nothing else.
And Mate seriously. "Being more neutral most here" is seriously not an big feat. Most Hardcore Liberals in the World would be more Neutral on Discussing Communism than many people here are on Discussing Star Citizen.

Right now however I seriously dont have any Feeling that there is any real interest in discussing the Game unless its about Trashtalking it.
I dont mind Criticism. After all SC made enough Mistakes. But if I ever Find a Dev Team which aint Paving its way with Mistakes. I would be seriously Impressed.
And between Criticism. And Hate Comments. There is an very big Difference.
These Troll Comments which are Spammed all over the last 3 Pages at least. Are not Criticism.

It's true there is a lot of hostility toward SC. I suggest that a mindless cynicism toward the project is largely a reaction to the mindless defence perpetrated by many who defend SC. This is an explanation, not an excuse, and one must keep a level-headed attitude. Just like your arguments have reason to them, so do those of Monk. This thread is really polarized, though I can't pretend there are equal numbers of both sides, but it isn't one-sided. There's always some stupidity to discuss.

In the past I tried a level-headed approach with someone like Gord, who ridiculed me for the attempt. I tried it with Orlando, who contradicted himself as he struggled to shift his goalposts fast enough. It makes you lose hope.

Except for people like you or Briguy, who I think is trying to argue in good faith, I've given up hope for a decent, well-spoken discussion on these things.

 

[jcrg99]

Your not on my Ignore List yet. Unlike many other People in this Topic.
BECAUSE I did read some other Posts which let me believe your Neutral about this.

But "Poking Fun" is not needed. We dont need even more Troll Comments and Stuff in here than we already get from a Ton of People who do nothing else.
And Mate seriously. "Being more neutral most here" is seriously not an big feat. Most Hardcore Liberals in the World would be more Neutral on Discussing Communism than many people here are on Discussing Star Citizen.

Right now however I seriously dont have any Feeling that there is any real interest in discussing the Game unless its about Trashtalking it.
I dont mind Criticism. After all SC made enough Mistakes. But if I ever Find a Dev Team which aint Paving its way with Mistakes. I would be seriously Impressed.
And between Criticism. And Hate Comments. There is an very big Difference.
These Troll Comments which are Spammed all over the last 3 Pages at least. Are not Criticism.

People here have the right to believe that RSI is not "making mistakes", but instead are scamming people/consumers. That is their consumer right to believe on that, to share their opinion (even that is in a funny way), without other people trying to label them as enemies of Star Citizen, or the genre, trolls, haters or whatever.

 

[Artemus]

1.
Persistence. And Persistent Universe aint the Same thing lol.
2.
Well. Having some Friends who can Guard your Ship as well as Man Turrets is not exactly Wrong I think.
As your Friends have Weapons and thus Can Shoot Intruders that might otherwise Steal your Ship. This is very Importand after all.
But the Keyword is Friends. You should not just let anyone on your Ship.
3.
I assume currently they are Prioritizing to get the actual Game rather than the Hangar Running.
4.
Nope. For Most Part what I see is not Discussion of SC. Its merely Trashtalking and Negativity. Something for a reason Prohibited on Forums. As an sidenote. Trolling and constantly Derailing the Topic like alot of People do in here. Is also Prohibited in this Fourm.
The Mods not taking Action to Clean up this Topic is an Mystery to me.
5.
See this is exactly the thing. Your are scratching an actual Topic. But then you Immediately go for an Insulting Behavior making Remarks on People and SC etc.
6.
Your not Discussing Star Citizen. Your only Insulting it.
An Discussion would require an Neutral Attitude and an Interest to actually find out and talk about the Game.
This does Include Negative and Positive Aspects and an Neutral Evaluation of the Games Development.
However
What your doing is attempting to find Fault with the Game and anyone Supporting it and attacking this fault as relentlessly as possible while completely ignoring anything else.
That has nothing to do with Discussion.

Lets make an Example.
Imagine I start talking about how your Name is a Joke. Because its Written wrong. Is a Cheap Copy of something and Sounds totally Stupid or whatever other crab i could make up on it.
And then I continuesly always only talk about this while Ridiculing and Insulting your Name entirely Ignoring and Blocking any attempt to talk about anything else related to you.
Would you then call this an Valid Discussion of your Person ?

1. And the difference is?

2. I can't lock my ship, how do I keep people off it?

3. the hangar module came out in August of 2013, "In the coming months, we plan to release additional “major” Revisions of the Hangar, where we add more functionality and content. Things like detailed customization of your personal hangar, persistence of the state of all your items (what is equipped and where), in client item purchasing and the ability to invite your friends to your hangar will be part of later revisions of the Hangar Module." - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...14-Letter-From-The-Chairman-The-Hangar-Module

4. We are discussing SC, I'm pointing out something that CR said, and has yet to back up 3 years later.

5. Scraping a Topic? Please fill me in on what you mean.

6. I won't let things slid just because I want a game. He said he would deliver, he hasn't. I'll call him on it.

Your example makes no sense. My parents named me, take it up with them.

 

[Sunleader]

Lolwut...way to aggrandize something so trivial as a forum thread about a video game. The nature of this thread is what it is, like it or not. When it gets too one-sided, I slink off and post elsewhere. I've levied plenty of criticism and trolling at pretty much every game, including Elite Dangerous...its mah damn right! MURICA and all that

The only game I haven't left a pile of stinking dung on at some point is Subnautica, probably b/c I'm about as in love with that game as you are with Star Citizen (not a bad thing, in my book).

Now, about those trenches...a terraforming gun would be pretty cool, imo. I've had one in Subnautica before and built a chill as heck base at the bottom of the sea.

This being an Online Forum does not Change that we are Humans. Talking to each other and maintaining a certain level of Civilization......
But well your Choice.

 

[Asp Explorer]

2. I can't lock my ship, how do I keep people off it?

I find that eating vast quantities of out-of-date Big Benny's, a non-functional Use button on the bathroom, and over-ripe underpants strewn around the ship to be quite handy in that regard..

 

[Marak]

This being an Online Forum does not Change that we are Humans. Talking to each other and maintaining a certain level of Civilization......
But well your Choice.

Sunleader - no-one is attacking you as a person. People are just disagreeing with what you say.

That's what happens on interweb forums.

 

[Monk]

This being an Online Forum does not Change that we are Humans. Talking to each other and maintaining a certain level of Civilization......
But well your Choice.

Indeed, though, who knows, I might be a Thargoid.

Civilization involves humor and parody, too, you know. If it isn't your flavor, well...

I'm not going to attack you or your character, as others have done...but I feel I'm completely justified to parody RSI/CIG and CR as they are public entities who are open to just about whatever short of threats.

I don't want to live in a world where Civilization dictates how I have my harmless chuckles.

Now, on topic...MVP may be feature locked, but do you see any real limit to what CR would add to the game, post-release? Is there an end-state?

 

[Sunleader]

It's true there is a lot of hostility toward SC. I suggest that a mindless cynicism toward the project is largely a reaction to the mindless defence perpetrated by many who defend SC. This is an explanation, not an excuse, and one must keep a level-headed attitude. Just like your arguments have reason to them, so do those of Monk. This thread is really polarized, though I can't pretend there are equal numbers of both sides, but it isn't one-sided. There's always some stupidity to discuss.

In the past I tried a level-headed approach with someone like Gord, who ridiculed me for the attempt. I tried it with Orlando, who contradicted himself as he struggled to shift his goalposts fast enough. It makes you lose hope.

Except for people like you or Briguy, who I think is trying to argue in good faith, I've given up hope for a decent, well-spoken discussion on these things.

As I said.
I generally dont mind Criticism. But thats about Criticism.
The Jokes and Ridiculing Remakrs are not Critics.
I myself would actually make Critics of the Game if I was not so busy defending it from all the Hatred and False Accusations.

And of course I am arguing in Good Faith.
Its not like either ED or SC are somehow Forced to Deliver everything they Promise. Or that we have some sort of lever to make em do it.
I for example still really hope for Stuff like Plants, Animals and Cities on Planets in ED.
And I am sure DB will attempt to Deliver that.
But do you see making One Line Spam Posts.

"Maybe ED should try actually giving us something to walk around on rather than allowing us to walk with nowhere to go."
Or
"Given EDs Station Design so far I wonder if its going to take more than a week before I know all Station Interiors in that Universe"

This sort of Snide Comment is not Helpful. Its Spam Comments and Sniping.
Of course it somehow remotely refers to an Problem with the Game. (Albeit in many cases of the other Posters here they dont even do that...)

But its seriously not an Discussion.

People here have the right to believe that they are not making mistakes but instead are scamming people/consumers. That is their consumer right to believe on that. That does not make them evil or "troll" or whatever childish label that you want to use.

Lol You can Believe what you want. And State your Opinion.
But sorry. As I said above. Snide Comments aint an Discussion.
And if they just want to Rant around about SC. I dont think this is the right place.

1. And the difference is?

2. I can't lock my ship, how do I keep people off it?

3. the hangar module came out in August of 2013, "In the coming months, we plan to release additional “major” Revisions of the Hangar, where we add more functionality and content. Things like detailed customization of your personal hangar, persistence of the state of all your items (what is equipped and where), in client item purchasing and the ability to invite your friends to your hangar will be part of later revisions of the Hangar Module." - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...14-Letter-From-The-Chairman-The-Hangar-Module

4. We are discussing SC, I'm pointing out something that CR said, and has yet to back up 3 years later.

5. Scraping a Topic? Please fill me in on what you mean.

6. I won't let things slid just because I want a game. He said he would deliver, he hasn't. I'll call him on it.

Your example makes no sense. My parents named me, take it up with them.

1.
Difference is that the Persistent Universe means an Virtual World. Where your actions Matter and where you Progress.
Currently only Partial Stuff is Persistent.
While the Plan is for everything to be Persistent

2.
I would dare guessing that they will allow you to Lock your Ship against others in 3.0
Currently Ships are given out for Free etc anyways. And everyone keeps getting Ships over and over.
So its not like there is any big Value to Protecting your Ship.
But that might Change very Soon.

3.
Yes. And as I repeat myself.
I assume that right now they are more Focused on getting the Actual Game Out. Than to Increase the Amount of Side Luxuries like the Personal Hangars and Trophy Storages

4.
Your not Discussing it.
Your Claiming it to be dropped because its currently not worked on. And demand this to be the only allowed Explanation to then Claim that this is what SC does everywhere thus SC would be Bad

5.
Scratching*
You mentioned Squadron 42 Development. As well as Star Citizen Development itself. And how much about they Share.
But then you instantly change from that towards Ridiculing it.
Talking about how its all bad and not gonna happen etc etc

6.
Hoho Force him lol.
If its not Finished its not Finished.
Only around 30% of all Games are Delivered on their Planned Release Date.
Take an Example. The Guild 3 just got its Release Date Pushed back as well. (I am waiting for this one ^^)
Games being Delivered on their Initial Release Date is an Seriously Rare Occurence.
And even if you use the One out of Three Figure. This usually means including Partially Finished Games which Dropped Features to be Released on this Date.
For example Stellaris and Hearts of Iron 4. Which either Delayed their Release Date. Or did Drop several Features to be added later. To make the Release Date. Or even the already Delayed Release Date.

Horizons of Elite Dangerous was also Delayed alot for Example.
And it Continues being Delayed. As Originally the Idea was 1 Season = 1 Year Content.

Delays are an Normal Everyday thing in Games.
What DB said to this.
“It’s ready when it’s ready. It does mean you’ll have to wait a bit longer, but it will be worth the wait.”

 

[Monk]

Horizons of Elite Dangerous was also Delayed alot for Example.
And it Continues being Delayed. As Originally the Idea was 1 Season = 1 Year Content.

Delays are an Normal Everyday thing in Games.
What DB said to this.
“It’s ready when it’s ready. It does mean you’ll have to wait a bit longer, but it will be worth the wait.”

There is a difference in a delay of weeks versus multiple years.

No one at FDev said a season was a year...that is the community's fault for believing such was true...

The worth in the wait deteriorates the more I have to wait.

 

[Soopyyy]

Talk about massive false equivalency. One title has released a game and updates. The other has a steam greenlight worthy tech demo...

 

[Osmanthus]

As I said.
I generally dont mind Criticism. But thats about Criticism.
The Jokes and Ridiculing Remakrs are not Critics.
I myself would actually make Critics of the Game if I was not so busy defending it from all the Hatred and False Accusations.

And of course I am arguing in Good Faith.
Its not like either ED or SC are somehow Forced to Deliver everything they Promise. Or that we have some sort of lever to make em do it.
I for example still really hope for Stuff like Plants, Animals and Cities on Planets in ED.
And I am sure DB will attempt to Deliver that.
But do you see making One Line Spam Posts.

"Maybe ED should try actually giving us something to walk around on rather than allowing us to walk with nowhere to go."
Or
"Given EDs Station Design so far I wonder if its going to take more than a week before I know all Station Interiors in that Universe"

This sort of Snide Comment is not Helpful. Its Spam Comments and Sniping.
Of course it somehow remotely refers to an Problem with the Game. (Albeit in many cases of the other Posters here they dont even do that...)

But its seriously not an Discussion.



Lol You can Believe what you want. And State your Opinion.
But sorry. As I said above. Snide Comments aint an Discussion.
And if they just want to Rant around about SC. I dont think this is the right place.



1.
Difference is that the Persistent Universe means an Virtual World. Where your actions Matter and where you Progress.
Currently only Partial Stuff is Persistent.
While the Plan is for everything to be Persistent

2.
I would dare guessing that they will allow you to Lock your Ship against others in 3.0
Currently Ships are given out for Free etc anyways. And everyone keeps getting Ships over and over.
So its not like there is any big Value to Protecting your Ship.
But that might Change very Soon.

3.
Yes. And as I repeat myself.
I assume that right now they are more Focused on getting the Actual Game Out. Than to Increase the Amount of Side Luxuries like the Personal Hangars and Trophy Storages

4.
Your not Discussing it.
Your Claiming it to be dropped because its currently not worked on. And demand this to be the only allowed Explanation to then Claim that this is what SC does everywhere thus SC would be Bad

5.
Scratching*
You mentioned Squadron 42 Development. As well as Star Citizen Development itself. And how much about they Share.
But then you instantly change from that towards Ridiculing it.
Talking about how its all bad and not gonna happen etc etc

6.
Hoho Force him lol.
If its not Finished its not Finished.
Only around 30% of all Games are Delivered on their Planned Release Date.
Take an Example. The Guild 3 just got its Release Date Pushed back as well. (I am waiting for this one ^^)
Games being Delivered on their Initial Release Date is an Seriously Rare Occurence.
And even if you use the One out of Three Figure. This usually means including Partially Finished Games which Dropped Features to be Released on this Date.
For example Stellaris and Hearts of Iron 4. Which either Delayed their Release Date. Or did Drop several Features to be added later. To make the Release Date. Or even the already Delayed Release Date.

Horizons of Elite Dangerous was also Delayed alot for Example.
And it Continues being Delayed. As Originally the Idea was 1 Season = 1 Year Content.

Delays are an Normal Everyday thing in Games.
What DB said to this.
“It’s ready when it’s ready. It does mean you’ll have to wait a bit longer, but it will be worth the wait.”

With respect, Sunleader, I don't think you actually addressed anything I said.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Talk about massive false equivalency. One title has released a game and updates. The other has a steam greenlight worthy tech demo...

To be fair - it's not all bad. They do have some Grab Eat tshirts left for pre-order

 

[FuriousMeow]

Every single time someone complains about wanting to discuss SC, and when it is and the failures and constant missed timeline - not by a month or two but years - it inevitably is deflected to be about another game or senselessly gets compared to other games that have slight delays but nothing like SC but the games with slight delays also release and are expanding. When SC is compared to games much more akin to it - like Duke Nukem Forever or Daikatana suddenly a full on attack on other games that are far better begins. SC is currently an absolute disaster. It's Freelancer all over again but no one is going to step in to save it. Like it or not, all of the above is actually "discussing" SC because it is factual and based on the current progress of it also a view of where it is headed. It just doesn't happen to be all roses and sunshine and "can't you wait to take a space deuce in a space toilet in your space undies in your space Idris?" "I sure can't wait, my entire Org will have it's own latrine facility on GrimHex and we'll have the best biofuel facility to turn our space deuce into space fuel for our space plants that grow in sppaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccccccceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..." which is where the majority of people who fully believe in CR and SC after missed deadline and delay and failure after failure with this awful shoddy janky mess of a tech demo apparently store their brains.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Buy a stolen Idris on the collapsing grey market.

AYE....They are definitely shaken after we start to question grey-market connections....And as we can see in here amount of so called SC "Fanatics"again rise with some new and some old familiar faces...they will spam this thread with usual old videos and usless news...Their goal is simple avoid to talk about IMPORTANT ISSUES spam usual garbage and talk about Future-tales....but...we all know that PANIC is there and dragging fast their SC stocks lower and lower....

 

[Monk]

Talk about massive false equivalency. One title has released a game and updates. The other has a steam greenlight worthy tech demo...

And yet we are constantly dragged into comparing the two.

Speaking of which, ED got a new ship coming that I want and I am massively short on credits. Off to smuggle some stuff

 

[Artemus]

1.
Difference is that the Persistent Universe means an Virtual World. Where your actions Matter and where you Progress.
Currently only Partial Stuff is Persistent.
While the Plan is for everything to be Persistent

2.
I would dare guessing that they will allow you to Lock your Ship against others in 3.0
Currently Ships are given out for Free etc anyways. And everyone keeps getting Ships over and over.
So its not like there is any big Value to Protecting your Ship.
But that might Change very Soon.

3.
Yes. And as I repeat myself.
I assume that right now they are more Focused on getting the Actual Game Out. Than to Increase the Amount of Side Luxuries like the Personal Hangars and Trophy Storages

4.
Your not Discussing it.
Your Claiming it to be dropped because its currently not worked on. And demand this to be the only allowed Explanation to then Claim that this is what SC does everywhere thus SC would be Bad

5.
Scratching*
You mentioned Squadron 42 Development. As well as Star Citizen Development itself. And how much about they Share.
But then you instantly change from that towards Ridiculing it.
Talking about how its all bad and not gonna happen etc etc

6.
Hoho Force him lol.
If its not Finished its not Finished.
Only around 30% of all Games are Delivered on their Planned Release Date.
Take an Example. The Guild 3 just got its Release Date Pushed back as well. (I am waiting for this one ^^)
Games being Delivered on their Initial Release Date is an Seriously Rare Occurence.
And even if you use the One out of Three Figure. This usually means including Partially Finished Games which Dropped Features to be Released on this Date.
For example Stellaris and Hearts of Iron 4. Which either Delayed their Release Date. Or did Drop several Features to be added later. To make the Release Date. Or even the already Delayed Release Date.

Horizons of Elite Dangerous was also Delayed alot for Example.
And it Continues being Delayed. As Originally the Idea was 1 Season = 1 Year Content.

Delays are an Normal Everyday thing in Games.
What DB said to this.
“It’s ready when it’s ready. It does mean you’ll have to wait a bit longer, but it will be worth the wait.”

1. Uhh...But they've said they've given us, "Persistence" they even have a FAQ on it - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/faq/persistence

2. Do you have anything backing up that statement that we can lock our ships? I'm looking for facts. Please post them. I only have the ship I pre-ordered for. I do not have access to other ships unless I steal them. If someone steals my ship and destroys it I have to pay aUEC in order to spawn it or wait for the timer to run out. The cost goes down the per the timer.

3. Why did they release the hangar module then? Why do we have the pre-alpha? If it was true they wouldn't have hangar flair being released monthly(or is it weekly?) for subscribers. - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15283-April-Subscriber-Flair A list can be found here - http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Subscriber_flair

4. Sir, you are putting words in my mouth. When did I say it was "dropped"? I said it hasn't been implemented yet going on 3 years. The rest of your sentence is garbled, please reformat or explain.

5. I'm sorry, I don't understand. The two are built on the same engine and have the same ships/weapons/items. Please explain what you are trying to get at. I see a lack of progress, and not an infinite amount of capital to keep it going.

6. Again, you are putting words in my mouth, I can't force anyone to do anything. I can just point out they still have yet to deliver. Please link the article(s) or actual stats on your 30% claim. We are discussing SC not another game, stay on topic.

 

[1500]

It's true there is a lot of hostility toward SC. I suggest that a mindless cynicism toward the project is largely a reaction to the mindless defence perpetrated by many who defend SC. This is an explanation, not an excuse, and one must keep a level-headed attitude. Just like your arguments have reason to them, so do those of Monk. This thread is really polarized, though I can't pretend there are equal numbers of both sides, but it isn't one-sided. There's always some stupidity to discuss.

In the past I tried a level-headed approach with someone like Gord, who ridiculed me for the attempt. I tried it with Orlando, who contradicted himself as he struggled to shift his goalposts fast enough. It makes you lose hope.

Except for people like you or Briguy, who I think is trying to argue in good faith, I've given up hope for a decent, well-spoken discussion on these things.

This thread used to be polarized the other way. You were not allowed to say anything critical about the game. In fact at one point you could only same something critical if you posted something positive as well.

 

[1500]

And yet we are constantly dragged into comparing the two.

Speaking of which, ED got a new ship coming that I want and I am massively short on credits. Off to smuggle some stuff

Thanks to that announcement of 2.2 I started playing ED again, wanted that ship. And so I finally finished getting Elite in trading.