Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat
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And yet we are constantly dragged into comparing the two.
Speaking of which, ED got a new ship coming that I want and I am massively short on credits. Off to smuggle some stuff
The Panther Clipper is it?
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The Panther Clipper is it?
The Panther Clipper is it?
That would be a huge surprise reveal. So far the Beluga is confirmed and the Dolphin is expected, having been seen in one of the Gamescom videos in the background of a Beluga presentation.
Fair enough, it did indeed help clarify what you meant.
Any thoughts on CIG's business practices?
As I said before.
I dont think this is Authentic.
Its something written up in Word.
No Stamps no Logos.
Not really looking like its from Cloud Imperiums.
Sigh...
Learn reading pls.....
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@ Kome & Stig:
Personally I found your cakes hilarious when you consider the context.
But this is supposed to be a family friendly forum. Plus bad taste. *shrug*
Joke is.
I got him on Ignore so I never saw the Cake.
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Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat
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Sunleader, the e-mail replies from CIG to people asking for refunds are 100% legit.
They are real.
Stop trying to stick your head in the sand like a flipping ostrich and actually *accept* the fact that, yes, this IS something that CIG have done and are currently doing to customers asking for a refund.
*Edit* As for the second point, as others have rightly pointed out to you (repeatedly), FDev told people exactly what their plan for planetary landing was going to be. Start with airless, atmosphere-less planets (which constituted over 60% of the planets orbiting the 400 BILLION star systems in the Milky Way). Then in later expansions/seasons, they will add landings on planets with atmospheres, though not Earth-like worlds. Those will come last of all.
That is all there for people to read and look at.
It's a plan of action that was well-thought out and clearly explained to people who bought Elite Dangerous or were interested in it.
I think that it is *you* who needs to "Learn reading pls".
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@ Kome & Stig:
Personally I found your cakes hilarious when you consider the context.
But this is supposed to be a family friendly forum. Plus bad taste. *shrug*
Did you taste it? XD
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It's worded in a less confrontational way than last year presumably in light of them realising that they had no legal leg to stand on when their bluff was called.
This bit was in there last year;
[FONT="]we hope you appreciate that we cannot ask our hard workingpersonnel to return some of their salary nor that it would be appropriate touse current backers’ funds provided for game development as a refund for anearlier and committed pledge.
[/FONT][FONT="]So although they didn't say the money had all been spent the implication was there - as if anyone would actually believe that they ask staff to cover refunds.[/FONT]
Funny given that most people in many polls over on the RSI forums over the years have indicated they want to be miners or space truckers or explorers I'd think that a fair chunk of the backer base wants to know what the actual day to day gameplay is going to be like. What is the grind going to be like? What's the supply chain going to really be like and just how much influence will that 10% of the universes "player population" actually have? That is at the very core of what Star Citizen gameplay is supposed to be centered around.
Surely not the $20.000 coffee machine or the "Space Door"...
Wow.. the level of jokes on this thread has reached rock bottom.
Can we get back to discussing some slightly tasteful jokes?... like Star Citizen.
A commando a commander and a shill walk into a bar
I can't think of a punchline...
Sorry pal, you sound like a former German propaganda minister, repeating misinformation will only make you look silly, even if you take off the silly hat.
However for the sake of the argument pleas tell me again that FD didn't deliver what they said they would, when they said they would deliver, this is going to be good.
The only thing that letter was missing was an appeal for somebody to please think of the children.
Assuming it's real, it's a big deal. It's an official response from CIG / RSI that appears to document the fact that the vast majority of the funds "pledged" so far have been allocated to development work, and there is no contingency fund. Any and all refunds will have a real impact on the development budget for the game, which again speaks to there not actually being a budget as such and that they're going to keep going until the game is made or the backers stop buying ships, whichever happens first. I find this to be an incredibly irresponsible approach to software development, and particularly toward the "pledges" provided at-risk by the backers.
A responsible company would have *at the very least* set a budget for the game and managed their funds in such a way as to insulate their backers from developmental hiccups. There's a very good reason why Frontier class preorders and lifetime passes as deferred income (i.e. income that they cannot book yet), because they may very well have to pay some or all of it back. These are the actions of a *responsible* company, but unfortunately for us CIG don't exist to succeed as a business; they exist only so that Chris Roberts can create the game / movie that he's always wanted to but has been hamstrung by the lack of investment. If the project fails it'll be a hit to his pride, but (as far as he's concerned) nothing else will be lost. 300 people will be out of work, but hey...
Assuming it's real, it's a big deal. It's an official response from CIG / RSI that appears to document the fact that the vast majority of the funds "pledged" so far have been allocated to development work, and there is no contingency fund. Any and all refunds will have a real impact on the development budget for the game, which again speaks to there not actually being a budget as such and that they're going to keep going until the game is made or the backers stop buying ships, whichever happens first. I find this to be an incredibly irresponsible approach to software development, and particularly toward the "pledges" provided at-risk by the backers.
A responsible company would have *at the very least* set a budget for the game and managed their funds in such a way as to insulate their backers from developmental hiccups. There's a very good reason why Frontier class preorders and lifetime passes as deferred income (i.e. income that they cannot book yet), because they may very well have to pay some or all of it back. These are the actions of a *responsible* company, but unfortunately for us CIG don't exist to succeed as a business; they exist only so that Chris Roberts can create the game / movie that he's always wanted to but has been hamstrung by the lack of investment. If the project fails it'll be a hit to his pride, but (as far as he's concerned) nothing else will be lost. 300 people will be out of work, but hey...
An actual game instead of a tech demo of a Crysis mod?
Ouch it was an iron bar.........sorry.
Is there any point? I'm not sure he plays the game, it's abundantly obvious he doesn't read up about it.
This is just a damage control exercise and has been reading exactly like the RSI forums where everything has an explanation, everything bad is a fake and nobody else is coming close to what SC has already achieved. It's got as much point as trying to convince a guard dog that it's owner's business practises are under investigation so you need to come inside and expecting it to actually understand what you're asking.
"...And clip straight through it?..."
Well that and FDEV is a publicly traded company and they have to adhere to GAAP with their corporate accounting. Although I believe the GAAP rules in the UK have a few minor differences with US rules. But yeah, pre-orders should be treated as a liability until the product actually ships.
The barman asks "Good to see you kind folks, it's been quiet here since the notorious b.a.d. guys moved in - can I get you a drink?"
The first commando falls through the floor, the commander T-poses and the shill accidentally hits USE while focused on the commander. The 997 other commandos in the bar die laughing
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