The Star Citizen Thread v5

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2 Games built at the same time. 1 Composer for each game. Seems about right. [big grin]

Not really, considering Pedro wrote the music years ago and has had plenty of time. They just wanted someone better with more experience now that it isn't a small project any more, no need to limit yourself to the cheap options.
 
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What are the current expectations for the release date? Would like to know both from believers and heathens.
SQ42 shoved out in a bad state at the end of 2017 because of necessity to recoup some funding and consolidate development efforts. If the backlash isn't severe enough, they get to squeeze out a very-MV beta version in '18 that eventually gets honed to a releasable product lacking the vast majority of features and gameplay, but with an MT business model that lets a decimated team drip-feed minor content upgrades for a year or two… If the backlash is sufficient, on the other hand, Chris steps down and the chances of an actual full-featured game in '18 increases dramatically. :D

Hindering? Guess who can afford high end pcs? It was deliberately aimed at high spenders, again, marketing is not their weak point
In other words, they're hindering the potential sales by focusing on a niche of an already-small niche, overlapped with a second niche. Sure, it may be the type of customer they're aiming for with their whale-centric marketing, but that just means they've deliberately reduced the sales potential of the game.

What's wrong with Tandy Orange?
The Tandy part.

Ofc you've seen it, it's sci-fi purposely made with very multiple recognizable mundane stuff, it's been done in every great sci-fi movie from Star Wars to Alien or Blade runner and it helps the viewer/player connect with it.
No. That's exactly what sets Star Wars, Alien and Blade Runner apart from the run-of-the-mill stuff: they have a unique style, which is then aped by tons of followers who don't have the visual acumen of Ridley Scott, Ralph McQuarrie, Syd Mead, Ron Cobb, and H.R. Gieger. Their artistry is what sets those movies apart from the copy-cats. Their being copied does not mean that they're generic — it means they're original. SC's design work is not original. It's one of the copy-cats… and not even of the good original designs, but of other copy-cats.

Yeah steam greenlight games aren't quite the same scope or development process as Star Citizen.
Scope, no, but that's not a factor; development process, yes, because that doesn't actually change — software is software is software. Well, I suppose it changes if we're talking about a competent team vs. an incompetent one. So as far as finding these “real alphas” go, you have no problem finding the full gamut there. If we were to introduce scope as a variable, it gets worse: we can look at those simpler games and see how long it takes for them to get from the state SC is in to beta to release, and now we multiply it by the complexity of what CIG claims they're doing at which point we end up with a release date somewhere in the mid-'70s.

Cryengine 3 is not the same engine that is being used for Star Citizen now.
…and it's still the CryEngine rendering pipeline with the stuff that's available in that engine. The rendering pipeline is the reason they picked the engine to begin with, and even with the point upgrades, it is still an engine that is now lagging behind. There's simply no two ways about it: unless the completely rip it out and replace it with something more modern, it is not standing up to what's currently top of the crop, and will definitely not stand up to what's released by the time the game is actually out. Console games are beating SC at the moment. Guess where the SOTA will be in two or three years?

He is the CEO and the one that leads the vision but there's no need to blame him for everything
There is when it's a well-known fact that he micro-manages every project he's in and when he has a well-established, well-documented history of needing to have the final word about all things visual (a word that may then change at a whim). He's the one who decided that they should go with the most inefficient and outdated method possible of creating world detail. It doesn't really matter how much experience the actual artists and developers have when their expertise is being overridden by someone who thinks he knows better in spite of having no worth-while experience at all…
 
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Oh Derek my dear friend... you're passion allways obscured your reasoning. We've come a long way... way before you adopted Smart as your last name (I know and understand your reasons, no biggie one does what one has got to do to cope with these things).

And yes Derek, your info comes from us that feed you stuff in the SA thread and the rest is up to your imagination.

We are the same guys that mocked and alienated you 10 years ago and we are doing the same now, and you know it, but since it suits your agenda you roll with it.

You know that both Bootcha/Beer/Ace or any disgruntled ex-employees are just using you, you can try and use them back to raise "awareness" for your cause but you know that there's no way that this will end up good for you, but you don't really care, there's really nothing left for you besides GamerGate and CitizenHate.

The thing is, there's no stopping this Star Citizen train, whatever you and your gang of hecklers try: mock/ harass / stalk / CIG staff at will, scavenge for all the furniture, concept art, lawsuits, peoples personal life at will, do your best at being your worst. It doesn't matter in the end it's just lulz while the Big Boys work.

And people do care about what I do think and post, that's why they feel the need to post back. As you know Star Citizen now has way way more than 500.000k paying backers. In 2015 alone they got 178 million page views and 9.5 million visitors while having 80,000 players playing the 2.0 Crusader Universe. Have a look at the videos in their channel, their weekly show has +100k views , the minor ones go from 20k to 50k. Their gamescom demo amassed millions of views between the 3 official versions and around 4.5 million$.

What's the number of the haters cultists that you gathered? 50? 100?

Just because you try your best to keep screaming and shouting very loud adnauseum doesn't mean people will listen. It's the opposite really, like I said, you burned your bridges by making this personal, you are emotionally attached and that's hindering your judgement even when using the text-book trolling tactics. You went from "Warlord" to "Oh Lord". Oh yes your twitter stats are also impressive 32k tweets 90% about Star Citizen or it's Staff, talk about having a collective aneurysm over a video-game. [rolleyes]



Why do you say I've lost it? Do you see me punching coke machines or shouting from the top of my lungs so that you let me fk finish? Might as well call my PSD Nam Vet friend to clear things out. ;)

You want sources about your 2015 Gamescom diatribes, sure you asked for them.

Just skim trough the pages while you sip your coffee, careful to not spill it. [big grin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfJgirJ-HgI

Enjoy Citizens!

What a curious post.
 
So is "mate" the new lever to try and get reactions from people with? Interesting...

I saw someone earlier say they had put 10 people on ignore. My first thought was "The thread has been deci-mated..."

CitCon is going to be a real hum-dinger this year, whichever way the cookie crumbles. Either naysayers (me included to a point) will have some humble crumble to chew on; or the yaysayers will have to set expectations to "soon"tm

I wonder if the BMM will be the shock reveal?
 
Sure, that's fine. But the problem is that once it's said, it can't be unsaid. Frontier stated that there'd be an offline mode in Elite, and when it turned out that had been silently cut it invoked a a fiery hellstorm. They learned a hard lesson, one that CIG haven't yet (or are at least starting to re: refunds). It's fine to say that you'd like something to be in the game, because most right-minded folk would take that with a pinch of salt. However, if you say "yes" to everything don't be surprised when there's a backlash if you don't deliver on it. See: 22cans - Godus (or Peter Molyneux in general), Hello Games - No Man's Sky.


Seems we all want the same thing. If CIG were to report their finances to the backers (as per the agreement), all this speculation would go away one way or the other.

Sorry, catching up with thread backwards, there is a good YT minidoc on molyneaux, by kim justice iirc, three parts, was shocked to learn when CR and DB were in kickstarter stage ppl trusted CR more citing Outsider as DB failure (apparently Freelancer fiasco got somehow forgotten), people cLaiminG it's better to promise whatever comes to your mind and never deliver as being the better option should watch it. Molyneaux had problems for freaky ing acorn planting (sure bit more, but bloody hell, acorn vs farming, oxygen levels simulation, thrusters, pg birds you name it), godus sure, that was closer to CR (and kickstarted accidentally too), but acorn?

EDIT: found it, part I here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAuvaAGnqQw well worth the watch, makes NMS fiasco more understandable, ppl hate being lied to, as easy as that
 
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Where else would we get gems like "Console games are beating SC at the moment" [big grin]

Well technically, console games are currently beating SC due to being actual products that have been released to the public. Even DNF beats SC on that front, but I think DNF has gone into 2nd place in the 'promised features bragging' section.

But hey, the power of dreams over the cold harshness of reality eh? :)

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Lighten up mate [big grin]

Chill down?
 
Sorry, catching up with thread backwards, there is a good YT minidoc on molyneaux, by kim justice iirc, three parts, was shocked to learn when CR and DB were in kickstarter stage ppl trusted CR more citing Outsider as DB failure (apparently Freelancer fiasco got somehow forgotten), people cLaiminG it's better to promise whatever comes to your mind and never deliver as being the better option should watch it. Molyneaux had problems for        g acorn planting (sure bit more, but bloody hell, acorn vs farming, oxygen levels simulation, thrusters, pg birds you name it), godus sure, that was closer to CR (and kickstarted accidentally too), but acorn

Any links/names to that documentary? Would be interesting to see.

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But Star Citizen is already an product released to the public, just not as a finished one. Hence the alpha state.

Hence why it can be criticized: CIG are asking massive amounts of real money for access/DLC/whatever.
 
Hence why it can be criticized: CIG are asking massive amounts of real money for access/DLC/whatever.

Considering that buying the game is entirely option and you have access to everything added during development paying just for the basic package I don't see how CIG is forcing people to spend "massive amounts of real money".

Don't forget about the Free-Fly Weeks! They have one every 2/3 months so people can actually try the game for free before making their decision. ;)
 
CitCon is going to be a real hum-dinger this year, whichever way the cookie crumbles. Either naysayers (me included to a point) will have some humble crumble to chew on; or the yaysayers will have to set expectations to "soon"tm

As one of the known "naysayers" (lol @ such a word) it'll take a darn sight more than a flashy demo/CRobblers "playing" (lol because he doesn't know his own game) a demo level (lol because its all marketing) and a bunch of overinflated promises/estimates (lol because they never make good on either).

To be completely honest and without taking the mickey out of what's obviously become the 'slow kid' (CIG) at dev prep school, unless they have the full playable/complete S42 as a product ready for release and looking at least as good in terms of visual quality (and without lol jumpcuts/editing trickery this time) as their attempt at the 3.0 demo, then I'll continue to laugh at them and continue regretting lending them my money. We all know exactly how this is going to turn out, they'll be lot's of flashy (dreams) vids, lot's of T-shirts and cups to buy, maybe even another "trophy" marking the event that we can all buy to show off in our hangers that no one else can see, but most of all there'll just be a massive push for more money. Same as every event CIG attend, they are like a ridiculous pastor with a tv show claiming to grant happiness in exchange for 'prayers' (money).

Come to Citcon...



BRING MONEY!!!
 
Considering that buying the game is entirely option and you have access to everything added during development paying just for the basic package I don't see how CIG is forcing people to spend "massive amounts of real money".

It's completely optional to give money to a Ponzi scheme but that doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to get out of it what you expect.

CR is a very good salesman.

Don't forget about the Free-Fly Weeks! They have one every 2/3 months so people can actually try the game for free before making their decision. ;)

Weirdly the people who've given CIG the cash aren't really interested in free-fly...
 
But Star Citizen is already an product released to the public, just not as a finished one. Hence the alpha state.

No, it's not released to the public, it's a test build released to paying backers only.

Free fly doesn't count as it ceases being avalible once the time limit expires.
 
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It's completely optional to give money to a Ponzi scheme but that doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to get out of it what you expect.

CR is a very good salesman.



Weirdly the people who've given CIG the cash aren't really interested in free-fly...

Best part comes when you a backer who paid 45$ need to wait for a free fly week to try bigger ships with all the freeloaders, those high-end ships are definitely getting tested right with so few people having access to them
 
No, it's not released to the public, it's a test build released to paying backers only.

Free fly doesn't count as it ceases being avalible once the time limit expires.

No, it's released to the public as a product: you can buy packages and get charged purchase tax on it. Players are consumers, whatever CIG or the players themselves say.
 
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