The Star Citizen Thread v5
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When you say year can you be more specific about your intended meaning?
The meaning of the word may be currently being refactored as we speak!
(the answer to your question of course is - No!)
it not strange to start with a licencable engine and then mod it the way it fit, you add to it features you need or priortise. Up to point there come to point that merge from crytech branch is to much hasle then it has become a new fork of that family of engines and need to have its own name. The biggest family of game engine are those of ID Soft. And that is example of ho wrong you probaly are.
If you look at C4 engine and the number of modules and systems it has. Each version increment , many system are even not touched.
John Carmack statet that there is stil code from 2 engine version before. ID2 vs ID4 .So common to evolve engine but a next version the change can be large but often is not.
a other example of crytech fork is the dunia engine for farcry 2 and up. It done before.
Keep in mind Cig has a engine team with bunch of Crytech former employee. So the knoledge is probaly strong and that give the ipertunity to heavenly mod the game to stand on its own.
It's a new IP , we don't know the real status of the production state , but keep in mind they produce with a very large team and altho it taged as Open development it realy is not. Lot can be hidden.
So if they don't have much to show for as some have that opinion there might be much more that we do not are aware of. That the big Unkown. Most gamers only go for released games and keep notice of what might come. But would not follow a game mid production on a dayly basis.
It.s normal if fan do that. But critics? Make no sense the counter part of a fan. People who lost interrest follow other games that looks promising.
You probaly are not aware. But
The lion den cig forums where the fans are. Are of course positive.
Then strong hold of mayor critics gathering in this forum. Elite fan are mostly anti SC and this is there strong hold and become the gathering of SC critics.
Other forums across the world are much more neutral so to the majority who does not follow this attack and defending soap. They hear about it from magazines or wenn major game site gives update.
I am Dutch on the dutch forum Got the are more rambling on BAR badge?
So wenn it is released then it get its reviews and if it decent or bit rough on the edges, they wil give it numbers if it okey ish and get atrack a audience. Then the majority comes in those who only go for game if the review is good or decent. And there is something in it they realy like. Keep in mind most people do not know Elite for them is Elite dangerous something new. For some do know freelancer. But Privateer is even before there time. Battlecruiser and Xseries where what keeps the genre slumbring in it dark ages. After freelancer.
Even failures wil not be forgotten. But wil it fail? Mayby maybe not but you don't have full fact only the producer of that game have. I just wait and see.
Maybe but if release is trouble some and current game industry most games are. Patches and feature updates makes releases better. I am used to that.
I also don't like beta gaming as game on release can be so different. Due to radical balance tweaks.
For me count release. And the first and second patch.
Also it how CR roles his production , dev differ. He strive for big. Where other go for save.
If he get the freedom to do his thing then Strike commander is possible it his sucses.
Freelancer is not.
My impression is that CR don't take deadlines and that is confict with publisher who are very strict or are not cabable to adjust his ignoring deadline.
It could be that with SC he get to do its thing , or it not enough
It 50/50 thing. We don't have that inside knowledge of production state. Even the workers in some of his studios.
my opinion even failures are blood and sweat of dev a game that I realy mis is
Stargate SG1 the aliance? Perception vs Jowood. Canceled.
I see mostly critic based on asumtion. Often biting in a little point blowing up to accolyptic proportion while there might not be that much wrong and be counterd by the still growing funds.
It never that black and white. But most critics see everything extreem negative. In such excesive way that I don't have to be critical here.
The engine choice has its pro and cons its trade of to take. Depending on the situation going for licencable engine is beter tradeoff.
No idea, but there were some rumours of a SQ42 prelude in the works. CIG have shown they can create a scripted NPC sequence, at least, so it shouldn't be that hard, especially when you take into account the lack of framerate problems in offline play. Now that I think about that, the announced changes to SCM might be a part of a release plan for a prelude.
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2.7 was relabelled 3.0 for reasons (probably to give the illusion of more progress though)
They're positive because any sign of a criticism is either banished to the concern sub-forum or closed/deleted outright.
Remember that the large majority of posters here are or were SC backers, and they don't post because of malice or deep-seated hatred, they are just disappointed.
Single-player SQ42 prelude with a few tightly scripted missions and no replay value, sounds like an MVP.
MVP parameters established.
That reminds me wasn't there a scandal surrounding Star Lancer having fewer missions than it said on the box.
If you point out the flaws, have issues with the direction, take note of the refactoring, and are generally disappointed and unimpressed with what is going on at RSI/CIG with CR and SC you are immediately caste as anti-SC which says more about those "pro-SC" than it does about anyone else. Someone posted that game "We Happy Few" previously and it absolutely fits with the SC faithful. They have replaced reality with delusions so positive that everything is going swimmingly within RSI/CIG with SC and will defend every single action that is made despite all evidence that development is off the rails. Demos/marketing hype videos like AtV and RtV and 10ForThe, are their "joy pills."
You talk as if there is only room for one video game.....
Maybe the devs are as fiercely competitive towards the other games as you think they are. Maybe they aren't. In the end it's irrelevant, because I will still play SC/SQ42 even if I think COD:IW has a better story.
I think the true believers don't care about the MVP term being invoked because since Chris conveniently doesn't define it, they assume he must mean it's a positive thing: that Chris ONLY considers a game with almost everything included as the only possible MVP. Due to his um, high quality "Wing Commander: The Movie" standards or something.
Charming to read that this is considered "the lion's den." No wonder there's an endless procession of fresh meat putting on the spiritual armor, lifting the Shield of You Don't Understand Game Development, and strapping on the Sword of Lesnick +2 to do battle with the unbelievers! Giggle. Talk about melodramatic!
Ps. Meow.
Charming to read that this is considered "the lion's den." No wonder there's an endless procession of fresh meat putting on the spiritual armor, lifting the Shield of You Don't Understand Game Development, and strapping on the Sword of Lesnick +2 to do battle with the unbelievers! Giggle. Talk about melodramatic!
Ps. Meow.
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Perhaps, as you say, the "true believers" dont care about what the MVP is. But surely they are out numbered by the average backer who will care?
It's partly why I dont understand why this isnt more of an issue for SC fans as whole. I am not seeing this topic discussed on the CIG or other forums to any degree... its seems to have gone by unnoticed...
I am pretty sure if I had backed a game on KS and the Devs turned round and started talking about releasing and MVP I would be asking them to justify such a move.
Is it just me?
Haha! That's laughable. If you have a PC that can run SC, then you have enough disposable income for a few video games.
On the RSI forums it would be deleted and you'd be banned, on reddit it'd be karmic death. Hard to read and discuss the truth where it's never been allowed.
Which immediately locks out a large number of potential customers.
You do know that this isn't a good thing, yeah?
Optimization is key for a wide audience (well, and marketing outside the "bubble" and a proficient product to back it up).
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Also, for mass markets with high-end gaming PCs you need to be hitting the high frames-per-second FPS crew. A smaller market is the sim crowd.
You need best-in-class plus a shedload of marketing to even get your foot in the door.
Tell me where CIG are in this these respects?
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Anything on the official forums that's not on message gets shunted off to somewhere where no-one will see it so it can't pick up steam.
Anything like that on Reddit gets down voted to oblivion - even in the Avocado reveal thread - where lots of people got rilly upset that someone was telling them what was happening in the open development that they didn't know about - someone was trying to drum up support for deleting that kind of reveal thread in the sub reddit in future.
It really isn't surprising that people don't bother - or at least can't be seen to bother - because it gets buried.
They've got it pretty well sewn up at the moment.
But if the reason you have disposable income is that you rarely spend unwisely then you'd be very unlikely to drop cash (disposable or otherwise) on some dudes delayed exaggerated under-performing generic tech demo.
It isn't good or bad. It is what it is. The project was meant to push the limits of hardware from the beginning.
Fixed it.
Now it's just pushing the limits of patience and reputations 
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