The Star Citizen Thread v5

[FuriousMeow]

Well you could say that the "unfaithful" allways like to bring other games and other unappreciated discussions to make comparisons when it suits them.
COD? Mass Effect? ED? NMS? Doors? CoffeMachines? Tickling? So innocent and most importantly classy right.. [rolleyes]

"Like me" - except I don't bring up other games at all, I only respond when YOU bring up the comparisons. So, swing and a miss.

Edit, but now your true colors have shown. Not like they haven't always been but now it is obvious. The sole point of you posting here is to defend SC because it can NOT stand on its own merits at all. So you are one of the faithful brigade to defend it.

 

[Dooguk]

Well you could say that the "unfaithful" allways like to bring other games and other unappreciated discussions to make comparisons when it suits them.
COD? Mass Effect? ED? NMS? Doors? CoffeMachines? Tickling? So innocent and most importantly classy right.. [rolleyes]

Chris Roberts started it. He had a pop at Frontier. So there!

 

[Monk]

I usually only report serious breaches of decency. Personal attacks gone too far, type of stuff. Sniping and trolling...etc etc...let the mods stumble upon it.

FWIW, I've never been banned. I've been reprimanded but not for anything in this thread. My salty language has gotten me in trouble in other parts of the forum. All that passion, ya know!

Anyway, Orlando...Gord, anything particularly saucy for you guys from the latest media dump?

 

[IceGryphon]

FRIDAY <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0

Ok, let's get back on track:
Building a custom engine was not an option and wouldn't have been a good choice for a project that went AAA.

 

[FuriousMeow]

FRIDAY <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0

Ok, let's get back on track:
Building a custom engine was not an option and wouldn't have been a good choice for a project that went AAA.

It was an option, it would have been the best option under someone who knew what they were doing. Someone who had made a game in the past decade.

And "went AAA?" Like battery? Money from fooling customers != AAA game.

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

"Like me" - except I don't bring up other games at all, I only respond when YOU bring up the comparisons. So, swing and a miss.

Edit, but now your true colors have shown. Not like they haven't always been but now it is obvious. The sole point of you posting here is to defend SC because it can NOT stand on its own merits at all. So you are one of the faithful brigade to defend it.

Yeah I'm sure It wouldn't be hard to find (multiple) posts of you bringing other games to the table to suit your narrative, but this thread is not about that. You only need defending something if that something gets attacked.

I usually only report serious breaches of decency. Personal attacks gone too far, type of stuff. Sniping and trolling...etc etc...let the mods stumble upon it.

FWIW, I've never been banned. I've been reprimanded but not for anything in this thread. My salty language has gotten me in trouble in other parts of the forum. All that passion, ya know!

Anyway, Orlando...Gord, anything particularly saucy for you guys from the latest media dump?

If your talking about the Kotaku article I gave my insight here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-v5/page1165?p=4551386&viewfull=1#post4551386

If you are asking about media as in video/pictures the only new thing semi-worthy (for me) is a compilation of all the recent characther assets shown in one video. (and the explanation about the integration of 1st and 3rd person from the guy that made it, but that's not media):

Spoiler

[video=youtube;Zd_k9bKCk1s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_k9bKCk1s[/video]

Fixed

Sorry, was thinking of Batman

 

[McGlashan]

All mechanics in place with 1 full system (Stanton) with all the features: planetary landings, dogfighting, FPS, EVA, Multicrew, Racing, multiple planets to land, moons, derelict ships, comarrays, satelites etc, multiple ships, economy, basic professions and respective ships and server infrastructure up and running.

What's telling about that list is how few game play mechanics are involved, unless you're into racing I guess, or the sort of aimless, sandbox PvP dogfighting. Great, I can land on a planet (or land on a different planet! or on a moon! Three entirely separate and distinct features according to your list), or stand around on a ship that someone else is flying, or EVA, or visit comm arrays (EVA again), or visit satellites (and again, three more exciting and distinct features) or fly a ship, or fly a different ship. Everything else is locked away in the "basic professions" black box.

Also, half of those things are yet to make a live appearance in any form.

 

[Monk]

If your talking about the Kotaku article I gave my insight here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-v5/page1165?p=4551386&viewfull=1#post4551386

If you are asking about media as in video/pictures the only new thing semi-worthy (for me) is a compilation of all the recent characther assets shown in one video. (and the explanation about the integration of 1st and 3rd person from the guy that made it, but that's not media):

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_k9bKCk1s

Sorry, was thinking of Batman

Oh, it is media...but that isn't a bad thing

Those characters look pretty good...do we expect the same level of detail for SC? These are for Sq42, right?

EDIT: and thanks for the link to your response...I have a tendency to scroll past the longer posts

I think the article can be interpreted in several ways...which is actually a testament to the objective nature of the reporting and the lack of conclusion or opinion in the end. If it is to become a series, I think the tone set by this article lends towards it going more negative but I could be wrong.

 

[IceGryphon]

It was an option, it would have been the best option under someone who knew what they were doing. Someone who had made a game in the past decade.

Reading the article and seeing the job adverts of CIG, they're lacking engineers. You know what you need to build a custom engine? Exactly, engineers CIG is and was lacking from the beginning. If they would have opted for a custom engine, they would most probably still be building it (at least if they would have been aiming for the quality CryEngine is able to deliver).

And "went AAA?" Like battery? Money from fooling backers != AAA game.

As much as i know AAA is defined by budget, looking back at the original "budget" it was far away from being AAA, so yeah "went AAA" would be a good definition of what happened.

@Zyll Goliath
At least you're not spamming unrelated pictures.

 

[Stigbob]

I usually only report serious breaches of decency. Personal attacks gone too far, type of stuff. Sniping and trolling...etc etc...let the mods stumble upon it.

FWIW, I've never been banned. I've been reprimanded but not for anything in this thread. My salty language has gotten me in trouble in other parts of the forum. All that passion, ya know!

Anyway, Orlando...Gord, anything particularly saucy for you guys from the latest media dump?

I got my only forum holiday for criticizing the way FD (don't) dealt with cheats. Or so I thought at the time, I later found the cheats website were they go to moan when they get banned (LOL).

Odd that the first time this thread found common ground was comparing infractions. Maybe we should all try to be nicer to save the mods from getting ulcers.

Group hug ?.

 

[Prince Thrakkath]

I see CR has decided to start insulting ED now http://www.pcgamesn.com/star-citizen/star-citizen-elite-dangerous-development . What a shameless individual he is, 2 years late, multiple promises broken to backers while still begging for money and he still has time to insult other games.

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

I see CR has decided to start insulting ED now http://www.pcgamesn.com/star-citizen/star-citizen-elite-dangerous-development . What a shameless individual he is, 2 years late, multiple promises broken to backers while still begging for money and he still has time to insult other games.

How was that an insult? [big grin]

Wasn't the game released with the bare minimum and evolved from there? Remember the threads in Beta saying/hoping for much more content at release? The main critics when the game released was exactly the lack of depth, mile wide inch deep etc etc... It's just the truth.

 

[Monk]

I see CR has decided to start insulting ED now http://www.pcgamesn.com/star-citizen/star-citizen-elite-dangerous-development . What a shameless individual he is, 2 years late, multiple promises broken to backers while still begging for money and he still has time to insult other games.

IDK, I don't see that as an insult. It is a fair comparison for what he is trying to do compared to what Elite is doing.

Elite Dangerous 1.0, for all intents and purposes is a bare bones release. We didn't have proper route planning, we didn't have as many ships, there were no wings, no powerplay, no engineers, no planet landings, no SRVs, no CQC and a whole host of other QoL additions.

We had trade...for the most part...trade. There was bounty hunting, but it was incomplete (too easy). Exploration is still very basic...

CR wants to do all that and more with his first release of Star Citizen. It is super ambitious a probably fraught with hubris, but that's him. He thinks his way is better, which he should, since he committed to it.

 

[dsmart]

Reading the article and seeing the job adverts of CIG, they're lacking engineers. You know what you need to build a custom engine? Exactly, engineers CIG is and was lacking from the beginning. If they would have opted for a custom engine, they would most probably still be building it (at least if they would have been aiming for the quality CryEngine is able to deliver).

LOL!! uhm, no.

 

[Prince Thrakkath]

http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_small/83/832458/3133576-4142921506-3o7TK.gif

How was that an insult? [big grin]

Wasn't the game released with the bare minimum and evolved from there? Remember the threads in Beta saying/hoping for much more content at release? The main critics when the game released was exactly the lack of depth, mile wide inch deep etc etc... It's just the truth.

Except that's exactly what CR was originally supposed to do and alluded to in 2012. The 'base' game would get released and he would build out from there with a '2014' launch adding things like FPS later on, he then started moving the goalposts and begging for more money while letting scopecreep get completely out of control, Frontier with ED has done nothing wrong apart from single player(always said it would be built in stages) and CR is not doing what he originally said he would do. Also what exactly is an 'MVP' thats CR's latest buzzword? Sounds pretty 'barebones' to me, not much meat on the bones of the current 'PU' either yet CR sees fit to use the term to insult ED and pretend hes doing something different.

 

[Dementropy]

I see CR has decided to start insulting ED now http://www.pcgamesn.com/star-citizen/star-citizen-elite-dangerous-development . What a shameless individual he is, 2 years late, multiple promises broken to backers while still begging for money and he still has time to insult other games.

I don't see it as an insult, per se. However, when the guy in charge of a project, and who has walked expectations back to a nebulous MVP, says that launching with just the basic features is *not* the way to go, then I (and perhaps others can elucidate) have a tough time balancing the equation.

 

[Prince Thrakkath]

IDK, I don't see that as an insult. It is a fair comparison for what he is trying to do compared to what Elite is doing.

Elite Dangerous 1.0, for all intents and purposes is a bare bones release. We didn't have proper route planning, we didn't have as many ships, there were no wings, no powerplay, no engineers, no planet landings, no SRVs, no CQC and a whole host of other QoL additions.

We had trade...for the most part...trade. There was bounty hunting, but it was incomplete (too easy). Exploration is still very basic...

CR wants to do all that and more with his first release of Star Citizen. It is super ambitious a probably fraught with hubris, but that's him. He thinks his way is better, which he should, since he committed to it.

And what does Star Citizens current 'mini PU' release have? What is an 'MVP'? It is by definition barebones and CR's target for release.

 

[Monk]

Except that's exactly what CR was originally supposed to do and alluded to in 2012. The 'base' game would get released and he would build out from there with a '2014' launch, he then started moving the goalposts and begging for more money while letting scopecreep get completely out of control, Frontier with ED has done nothing wrong apart from single player(always said it would be built in stages) and CR is not doing what he originally said he would do. Also what exactly is an 'MVP' thats CR's latest buzzword? Sounds pretty 'barebones' to me, not much meat on the bones of the current 'PU' either yet CR sees fit to use the term to insult ED and pretend hes doing something different.

Again, I don't think it was an insult. He used it to draw a comparison between his philosophy and Frontier's. Regardless of whether his past narrative lines up correctly. Also, I don't think MVP is his buzzword. I believe he said it once and after some discussion with a few backers, I think it was mostly a slip up from his usual word salad of nonsense.

I think you may be looking for a bone to pick here...lets focus on the fact that despite the clear restructuring leading to delays story is what is driving the bulk of frustration with the project. CIG/RSI need to get out in front of this, formulate a reasonable plan and then let the backers in on it, with the caveat, "all things subject to change and delay"....this is all I really want from them at this point, other than delivery of a delayed game I've already paid for.

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And what does Star Citizens current 'mini PU' release have? What is an 'MVP'? It is by definition barebones and CR's target for release.

Except that isn't the release version. Really, you are just looking for stuff to crap on when there is already plenty out there that is so easy to go after.

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

Except that's exactly what CR was originally supposed to do and alluded to in 2012. The 'base' game would get released and he would build out from there with a '2014' launch adding things like FPS later on, he then started moving the goalposts and begging for more money while letting scopecreep get completely out of control, Frontier with ED has done nothing wrong apart from single player(always said it would be built in stages) and CR is not doing what he originally said he would do. Also what exactly is an 'MVP' thats CR's latest buzzword? Sounds pretty 'barebones' to me, not much meat on the bones of the current 'PU' either yet CR sees fit to use the term to insult ED and pretend hes doing something different.

Yes but since he got more money he didn't need to do that, community voted for more pledges and increase of scope. MVP is yet to be defined, they are working in several game mechanics to include as much as CR thinks its satisfactory, considering how perfectionist you can be assured that it will be no shortage of content.

 

[Marak]

Wasn't the game released with the bare minimum and evolved from there? Remember the threads in Beta saying/hoping for much more content at release? The main critics when the game released was exactly the lack of depth, mile wide inch deep etc etc... It's just the truth.

What 'Depth' is SC promising?

Yes - the SQ42 will have a scripted single player campaign, but what will add depth after that?

They will have to add thousands of pretty awesome missions to keep the depth that they want, and I can't see that somehow.

In ED now there are tons of options with ships, outfitting, engineer mods, passenger missions, mining, wings, Powerplay, Background sim... ( I could go on [for quite a while actually]).

Where is all this 'depth' that SC is promising coming from?

Or will SC be 'An inch wide, and an inch deep'?