Please, define where I've used "outright baloney" in any of my posts.
Okay, outright baloney as follows :-
There's a theme that crops up every time Frontier threatens the immersion or senseless grind that's seemingly favored by the old guard.
That is outright baloney, right there.
Reading ComprehensionI'm sorry that the immersion meme (essentially the truth) hurts you so.
This too.
There aren't many forums out there that don't joke about this forum.
I think that the only one worse (and only marginally) is the SC forums. They are a special kind of people over there.
Baloney sandwich right there.
This is something that the majority of people on this forum can't seem to comprehend.
This here ignores what the majority voted for in relation to this debate.
From my point of view and my point of view only (though it may be shared):
1. Any money making loophole in this game has been decried as an affront to immersion at least once on this forum.
2. Any QOL feature that takes away from player work load (Not that there is much of one to begin with) has been decried as something foul by the immersion crowd. The best part though is that all of the proposed features were entirely optional and did not negatively effect gameplay for anyone not using them.
3. The "Instant -vs- Delay" debate, where immersion was pretty much championed by the echo chamber as the prime reason for why "Instant" could not exist in the universe. Examples included everything from exploration being degraded / the scale of the galaxy being degraded (even though you could only transfer a ship to a station, at cost, in the tiny little pinprick of the galaxy that is currently populated), to theories of mass murder outside of CGs, mass exploitation of CGs using the transfer mechanic, to simple trade routes being tainted by such an immersion breaking mechanic.
All from people who didn't even have the slightest clue as to how Frontier planned to implement the mechanic outside of a vague statement about pricing being looked into. People who created such an uproar that Frontier had to backpedal on plans they had already developed over a feature that hadn't even seen a public test build. All for the sake of "immersion".
This forum has made "immersion" a bad word. There's no other game out there where that happens because 99% of those other communities understand that a game is a game, not a reenactment of real life. Hell, even the people who cried immersion over the realistic portrayal of The Division got over their gameplay woes (bullet sponge enemies) and learned to enjoy the game (at least until end-game content was reached).
Some of us looked at instant transfers as a good thing for legit reasons, like only having a limited amount of time to play, which would make pairing up with friends easier to accomplish. Some of us shrugged at the feature as an "Oh, that's nice.. I might use it once" kind of deal because not everyone chooses to have a stable of ships that need to be moved from place to place. Then the old guard reared its collective head and cried foul.
As for this lot, okay,
1. Simply not true
2. Again, not true
3. Not all of those are about immersion, apart from that, many of them are perfectly valid
Let me ask you this, if instant was going to be such a great feature, such a game changer for those of us, (me included), with not much time to play that was not going to harm the game in any way, shape or form then why did Frontier even put it to a vote? And before you cry 'whining masses', there have been literally 10's if not 100's of issues where Frontier have ignored the masses and done what they feel is right for their game. Has it even occurred to you that maybe, after some deliberation in the office that even Frontier thought it was a bad idea?, or are you suggesting that they would deliberately nerf their game because of the unofficial polls?
Some of us wanted a delayed ship transfer for legit reasons too, it is still an improvement on no ship transfer and still a QOL feature that has been added. Some of you guys are acting as if you have lost something, look at what you have been given instead of not being able to see past a word you heard a dev say in a stream. Nobody, and I mean nobody was even mentioning let alone contemplating an 'instant' ship transfer before the livestream, but once heard, apparently it was a 'can't live without' feature.