The Star Citizen Thread v5

[dsmart]

Not connected enough to know about the worm, though

LOL!! Yeah, but as you know, that one was so ridiculous, that it ended up being the best kept secret - out in the open. Nobody saw it coming because it couldn't possibly have been true. Then it was.

 

[1500]

What's the deal with this guy, anyway? CIG employee? Has he/she made any predictions that have been accurate? Something concrete? Really curious.... just asking. It would be interesting if so.

has made lots of predictions that have been accurate

 

[FuriousMeow]

Many of the backers seem to be waking up to the lack of delivery and the over promising. The (sand)worm sure has turned recently.

 

[Knightshark]

What's the deal with this guy, anyway? CIG employee? Has he/she made any predictions that have been accurate? Something concrete? Really curious.... just asking. It would be interesting if so.

I think it was him that predicted the animation system for SQ42 is , which turned out to be true. I'd say given this is specific and not easily guessed info, he seems to have some connections at least.

 

[Jenner]

Thanks for the clarification, all.

 

[Dogeh]

He also didn't know about the lulzmoppers, too.
I mean that is comedic gold on its own.

 

[Asp Explorer]

I'm not sure anyone could have known about the lulzmoppers and taken it seriously.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Brave man that Mr Agony_Aunt.

Nah, it was just something that i was genuinely curious about so decided to go to the horses mouth as it were.

Same as last time i posted in there, i did my best to be respectful and polite, and i'm happy to say that a vast majority of posters were polite and respectful in return. There were a few niggly ones, and one in particular seemed to do his best to be insulting and derogatory.

I'd say there were quite a few defensive posts, rather than answering the question repeating the same old stuff which didn't really address my question.

However, there were some really good responses as well.

Basically, the general feeling i got was that, while some people are frustrated, few don't want to see a barebones release like happened with ED, but are happy to wait, even if it takes many more years to arrive. Some of them being quite realistic from my point of view, putting dates as far forward as 2020 for a fully working game.

So, in conclusion, there are fans there whose eyes are quite wide open in terms of the state of SC and pace of development.

Assuming CIG can deliver, then it seems like there are still plenty of fans (for the moment) who are fine with the pace of development and the idea that the game will release when its ready and not before.

Whether they will maintain this stoic attitude as time goes on remains to be seen.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Nah, it was just something that i was genuinely curious about so decided to go to the horses mouth as it were.

Same as last time i posted in there, i did my best to be respectful and polite, and i'm happy to say that a vast majority of posters were polite and respectful in return. There were a few ly ones, and one in particular seemed to do his best to be insulting and derogatory.

I'd say there were quite a few defensive posts, rather than answering the question repeating the same old stuff which didn't really address my question.

However, there were some really good responses as well.

Basically, the general feeling i got was that, while some people are frustrated, few don't want to see a barebones release like happened with ED, but are happy to wait, even if it takes many more years to arrive. Some of them being quite realistic from my point of view, putting dates as far forward as 2020 for a fully working game.

So, in conclusion, there are fans there whose eyes are quite wide open in terms of the state of SC and pace of development.

Assuming CIG can deliver, then it seems like there are still plenty of fans (for the moment) who are fine with the pace of development and the idea that the game will release when its ready and not before.

Whether they will maintain this stoic attitude as time goes on remains to be seen.

Wasn't SC originally supposed to be built-in a modular fashion? Wasn't that the original ethos of its development?

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Wasn't SC originally supposed to be built-in a modular fashion? Wasn't that the original ethos of its development?

Not sure. I think whatever they were going for in the early days though has long been left behind once they got carried away with all their stretch goals.

Now they have promised the world and have to deliver the world. The feedback from the reddit thread is people think if CIG release in anything less than a full state, there will be too much negative feedback that SC will not survive, like what happened with NMS.

 

[Skizomeuh]

- Developped with modularity in mind, but meant to be delivered all at once,
- Highly physicalized space flight model, but presented like it's WWII planes (both in designs and cinematics/ads)
- A hardcore space sim, but focus on FPS
- Not P2W, but everything is already sold
- Ship cost will rise, but here take a look at this promotion
- etc.

The BDSSE is not everything and beyond, it's everything and its contrary. This is a schizophrenic Vision from a bipolar mind.

 

[Toumal]

Don't forget it's extremely realistic, but there's only 100 star systems in the galaxy and the scale of everything is competely out of whack.

 

[Tippis]

Don't forget it's extremely realistic, but there's only 100 star systems in the galaxy and the scale of everything is competely out of whack.

Yes, but you have to remember that it's made by a man who thinks you can create a net gain in momentum and that quasars hide inside solar systems, but who's really into physics! Somehow.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Ah, that does bring up the new flight model.

One of the speculation comments was something like: It will make combat more reliant on timed boosts and make it more like WW2 dogfighting.

To which i thought... erm... so, more like ED then?

So, all those times people have said SCs flight model is better than EDs, and yet, it might be that they are making it more like EDs...... strange that.

 

[Zetta]

So, all those times people have said SCs flight model is better than EDs, and yet, it might be that they are making it more like EDs...... strange that.

They will claim that this was always the plan and that actually, Frontier copied it from CIG.

 

[Cmdr Snuffler]

Was shopping in town on Sunday and came across a shop that sold Idris!
http://www.superdry.com/idris
...but didn't buy for a number of reasons...
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They will claim that this was always the plan and that actually, Frontier copied it from CIG.

From what I have seen since 1984 is CR playing catch up to DB...but always being 10 steps behind
Everything CIG has done or said has been done before. Not one thing is original, yet CR is portrayed as the godfather of Space Sims...I don't get it.

 

[Viajero]

*Mod hat off

Nah, it was just something that i was genuinely curious about so decided to go to the horses mouth as it were.

Same as last time i posted in there, i did my best to be respectful and polite, and i'm happy to say that a vast majority of posters were polite and respectful in return. There were a few niggly ones, and one in particular seemed to do his best to be insulting and derogatory.

I'd say there were quite a few defensive posts, rather than answering the question repeating the same old stuff which didn't really address my question.

However, there were some really good responses as well.

Basically, the general feeling i got was that, while some people are frustrated, few don't want to see a barebones release like happened with ED, but are happy to wait, even if it takes many more years to arrive. Some of them being quite realistic from my point of view, putting dates as far forward as 2020 for a fully working game.

So, in conclusion, there are fans there whose eyes are quite wide open in terms of the state of SC and pace of development.

Assuming CIG can deliver, then it seems like there are still plenty of fans (for the moment) who are fine with the pace of development and the idea that the game will release when its ready and not before.

Whether they will maintain this stoic attitude as time goes on remains to be seen.

Heh, brave indeed!

The main reason that a barebones release is seen as a problem is that Chris Roberts always promised the full monty, the BDSSE. And hence barebones is a broken promise, overall. And if you acknowledge that Chris can break promises, anything about the game is therefore basically at risk. Which leads to establish that all this "open development" is basically worthless.

That is until he first mentioned the MVP a few months ago.

We have now also seen many instances where Chris himself, or CIG in general, have confirmed content cuts or straight cancellations (or indefinite delays depending on your semantics stance) of original promised features (some of them dating back to the kickstarter)... So, weather we like it or not, some sort of MVP or barebones is probably what is coming I am afraid.

Some may rage and be upset, some may even ask for a refund, no doubt. But the only thing that matters is if that MVP/barebones will be solid enough to make the game survive the reviews, the market, and thrive commercially.

 

[Cmdr Snuffler]

But the only thing that matters is if that MVP/barebones will be solid enough to make the game survive the reviews, the market, and thrive commercially.

I am assuming we'll find out sooner rather than later
If you remember back to the ED Kickstarter DB said that it would go Alpha, Beta, Release (Gamma) and then stated that gamma would last a few years, similar to Minecraft.
So essentially Frontier released a "barebones" Gamma open to all the public.
...and to be honest Frontier have been working around the clock and we've had regular updates, patches and feature enhancements since then.

 

[Skizomeuh]

Don't forget it's extremely realistic, but there's only 100 star systems in the galaxy and the scale of everything is competely out of whack.

And they can build a planet in a week, but there's still problems with <<use>> 4/5 years in the making.

 

[ZeeWolf]

Defining the release status of an open world multiplayer space game is tricky and pretty subjective. You have so many ways to play and so much play space to fill. There's a marked difference with something like planet coaster where every player is performing the same task of placing assets and adjusting sliders, it's much easier to understand what represents a complete experience for the majority of the audience.

We've seen this with virtually every big open world space game released before. At some point, imho, Frontier figured this out and made an appropriate decision to release an MVP that was perfectly in Keeping with the Elite franchise.

It seems to me that SC has simply ignored all this and boasted all things to all men in space, this is simply ridiculous. GTA takes place in space when you think about it, you simply have to decide what your product is. It seems odd that even after having prior experience and considering Frontiers approach CR is still aiming to build the ambiguous castle for an ambiguous release.