The Star Citizen Thread v5

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The most important thing he said though, I'll just paste:
"I don't think a discussion of SC VS Elite makes any sense, Elite is getting very good results for the context of their game (billions of planets) we are getting good results in the context of Star Citizen (less planets more artists driven with more background story etc.)"

Don't tell that to Reddit. They'll chase you up a tree and set fire to it. :D
 
Lord of War is one of the few films I've watched multiple times and if I was flicking around the channels I`d watch it again. Worth a watch despite CR`s best attempts I`m sure.
 
Its still possible to get your money back from star citizen, but it won't always be possible. Once the bath tub is empty, there isnt any more water left and you can't get any out.

It won't be possible for everyone who has been taken in to be made whole, far too much of the money has already been wasted.

So act fast, act TODAY.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/
 
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"I don't think a discussion of SC VS Elite makes any sense, Elite is getting very good results for the context of their game (billions of planets) we are getting good results in the context of Star Citizen (less planets more artists driven with more background story etc.)"

Less planets as in none, story as in the silly garbage ship commercials, and I seriously don't know how that actually was stated. There is nothing on the client side that resembles that statement for SC. There are bits and very much very hand crafted demos that also don't resemble what is incoming for clients either - the demos were absolutely built solely to sell more crappy ships that have no point in the SC "'Verse" (of eventually 100 star systems, maybe).

So where can a statement like that come from? It's like even the devs are theory crafting.
 
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Less planets as in none, story as in the silly garbage ship commercials, and I seriously don't know how that actually was stated. There is nothing on the client side that resembles that statement for SC. There are bits and very much very hand crafted demos that also don't resemble what is incoming for clients either - the demos were absolutely built solely to sell more crappy ships that have no point in the SC "'Verse" (of eventually 100 star systems, maybe).

So where can a statement like that come from? It's like even the devs are theory crafting.

Well, that's the tricky bit. There *are* some good people at CIG: The problem is turning their work into a decent game. I have no problem believing that the planet team are making good progress, but also no problem in believing they'll take an arrow to the knee and have to start over for some reason.

But hey, I'm apparently motivated by hatred. In 30-odd years of IT, I've never seen a project fall flat on it's face due to bad management. Err, or something.
 
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SC financials are on a downward trend as they have gone past their peak and delivered squat. There's only so many times you can flog the same horse before the whole thing just loses credibility, even to the deluded mob. When the crunch comes it going to come fast and by this time next year its going to be in the toilet. I must checkout Paddy Power to see if I can throw a few quid his way on SC folding to make up for the 50 euro I wasted on SC 4yrs back.
 
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SC financials are on a downward trend as they have gone past their peak and delivered squat. There's only so many times you can flog the same horse before the whole thing just loses credibility, even to the deluded mob. When the crunch comes it going to come fast and by this time next year its going to be in the toilet. I must checkout Paddy Power to see if I can throw a few quid his way on SC folding to make up for the 50 euro I wasted on SC 4yrs back.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers. Look at President Trump. [ugh]

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Here's the thing.
I don't *think* anyone really wants SC to fall and break it's hip.

OK, maybe Derek has a line of "Derek Smart was right" T-shirts lined up, but after this and this the guy's due a break (lol. Sorry Derek). But, I can live with this: OK, the man has a passion, but he's not smegging Hitler.

We're the Scot Manley's and Obsidian Ant's of the world: We like our space games.

We like "Children of a Dead Earth", and "Rodina", and "Kerbal Space Program", and "Infinity: Battlescape" and "Eve online" and "House of the Dying Sun".
Personally, I sank a lot of hours into "Vega Strike" but I suspect it's dead. Hope I'm wrong. "Outerra" has no game, but it's 'will you sleep with me' gorgeous in terms of crafted + PG Tech.

No, we don't hate Star Citizen. Or CIG/F42. Or even - and there are exceptions - Chris Roberts. If CR turned up in my local tonight, I would buy the man a beer.

And then I'd ask where where the smeg my game was.

And then I'd kick him in the happy place.

This is why this thread is here. If you ask these questions on /r/starcitizen or RSI.com, you get vanished. But you'll find the same comments here as you will on Ars Technica or PCGamer or any other site: it's just that FDev keep a running thread on it, and allows criticism.

This makes us worse than ISIS, apparently.

Edit: He wasn't in my local, so I'm going to bi--h about him as usual. :D
I like the *idea* of SC. I'm just not sure I'll live long enough to see it. And that's not down to processor limitations, or graphics limitations, or latency limitations, or coder limitations, or Ben's ability to figure out why shadows move when you're not watching them (lol).

It's down to management.

Someone needs to kick Chris up the bottom, hard.
 
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Sigh. And here we go again.
Can you guys actually contribute anything worth reading ? Or is stupid comments to vent your hatred for Star Citizen the full extend of what your capable off ? :)

You think they can make two groundbreaking, not done before games for $130m? Good luck with that.
 
Sigh. And here we go again.
Can you guys actually contribute anything worth reading ? Or is stupid comments to vent your hatred for Star Citizen the full extend of what your capable off ? :)

4 years of dissapointment will do that to a person. Though it's not hatred, it exasperation.
Hopefully, things will turn a corner in terms of progress - we shall see.
 
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Viajero

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So, I spoke to the guy in charge of this stuff, Marco, and besides laughing a bit about the 64-bit thing, he gave me some specifics that I hope are what you were actually asking. So, he says, "yes, the planet seamlessly generates the complete surface as you move anywhere you go in a planet," when they refer to an area as "handcrafted" they mean the detail objects have been hand placed, whereas other areas have the procedural scatter seen upthread. There are hand-made 2D terrain maps used in the system, but they're layered in with noise and random factors, just less of that than Elite.
The most important thing he said though, I'll just paste:
"I don't think a discussion of SC VS Elite makes any sense, Elite is getting very good results for the context of their game (billions of planets) we are getting good results in the context of Star Citizen (less planets more artists driven with more background story etc.)"

Thanks Ben, let´s see how that pans out when it arrives to our PCs. Shame you had to waste some perfectly good Friday beer time here. Dont let this (us) bunch to distract you from priority stuff :) .
 
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So, I spoke to the guy in charge of this stuff, Marco, and besides laughing a bit about the 64-bit thing, he gave me some specifics that I hope are what you were actually asking. So, he says, "yes, the planet seamlessly generates the complete surface as you move anywhere you go in a planet," when they refer to an area as "handcrafted" they mean the detail objects have been hand placed, whereas other areas have the procedural scatter seen upthread. There are hand-made 2D terrain maps used in the system, but they're layered in with noise and random factors, just less of that than Elite.
The most important thing he said though, I'll just paste:
"I don't think a discussion of SC VS Elite makes any sense, Elite is getting very good results for the context of their game (billions of planets) we are getting good results in the context of Star Citizen (less planets more artists driven with more background story etc.)"
I have so many questions - not in order to dissemble but to understand. One big one though that shouldn't be unanswerable.

When they showed the planetary editor it seemed to involve a fairly empty PG base world with all the detail/ecosystems/water/objects hand placed (excluding basic ground object scatter) - this would seem to involve a lot of data. How large is the data going to be for an average planet?
 
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Thanks Ben, let´s see how that pans out when it arrives to our PCs. Shame you had to waste some perfectly good Friday beer time here. Dont let this (us) bunch to distract you from priority stuff :) .

If Ben's anything like I used to be, he does his best coding whilst half-way down the bottle, and ranting on the internet. :D
 

Mu77ley

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If Ben's anything like I used to be, he does his best coding whilst half-way down the bottle, and ranting on the internet. :D

We were recently told that every Friday afternoon, all members of the development team are allowed to work on whatever they want. Sadly they nixed our plan of performing an in-depth study into the real-world effectiveness of the Ballmer Peak. ;)

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Err, that's not how humanity works, or the internet. If I give a company $20 for a pizza and they don't turn up for 3 hours, I'll moan about it on Yelp. If I give them $100 for a computer game and it doesn't turn up for years, I'll moan about that, too. I also moan about the weather, earthquakes, and the twinge in my back, but you don't have to listen to it. :)




Yes, but they haven't taken $135 mil and promised the world. Heck, Rodina is basically *one guy* - but it's one guy with realistic expectations.



Or, because we're very disappointed in it. The world isn't as black and white as you seem to think.



Well, yeah, I'm a forum member and you can't do that because of the rules: CR isn't, so people can moan. It's pretty straightforward, I think.

But if I'd wandered off with $135 million and failed to deliver on my promises, I'd certainly expect someone, somewhere, to have more than few choice words about me.


Yes. I know.
And thats called Hater in the Internet.

Which is exactly what this Forum is Full of. Haters.


For heavens sake if you are then stop being annoying and demand a Refund.
Once you got your Money Back the only thing your losing to it is the time you keep wasting hating on it.


If they denied Refunds I could somehow understand you guys sitting here Hating on it. But they dont. You can still get your Money back so why do you sit here playing the Dying Swan ?????
 
Yes. I know.
And thats called Hater in the Internet.
No, that's called being a sensible consumer.

A hater is someone who actually, you know, hates. If you have trouble finding examples of this, I would suggest looking through r/sc and the RSI forums.

For heavens sake if you are then stop being annoying and demand a Refund.
Getting a refund doesn't stop SC from being a woeful display of incompetence and mismanagement, and thus a topic worthy of discussion and fascination.
 
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