The Star Citizen Thread v5

[Tuub t Tute]

I guess this is the same logic as displayed on any thread critical of the main game here, where there is a finite number of posts before someone says "If you feel that negative about it, maybe this isn't the game for you, leave play something else!"

However nicely it is dressed up, it is still nothing more than an attempt to stifle posters with opposing opinions, instead of engaging in discourse with them.

Back on topic, Ben's comment from his dev colleague about "We have good results with less planets" was a wonderful piece of understatement. I smiled

 

[DLewth]

We were recently told that every Friday afternoon, all members of the development team are allowed to work on whatever they want. Sadly they nixed our plan of performing an in-depth study into the real-world effectiveness of the Ballmer Peak.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ballmer_peak.png

An XKCD 'toon is as good a 'Nature' paper in my book.

Yes. I know.
And thats called Hater in the Internet.

Which is exactly what this Forum is Full of. Haters.

For heavens sake if you are then stop being annoying and demand a Refund.
Once you got your Money Back the only thing your losing to it is the time you keep wasting hating on it.

If they denied Refunds I could somehow understand you guys sitting here Hating on it. But they dont. You can still get your Money back so why do you sit here playing the Dying Swan ?????

Err, OK.
Not what you originally said, so grab an actual dictionary, look up "hate", and get back to us.

Also, for pity's sake, work out what the 'shift' key is for. Protip: You don't help your case by making yourself look like a drooling imbecile.

 

[ianw]

Yes. I know.
And thats called Hater in the Internet.

Which is exactly what this Forum is Full of. Haters.


For heavens sake if you are then stop being annoying and demand a Refund.
Once you got your Money Back the only thing your losing to it is the time you keep wasting hating on it.


If they denied Refunds I could somehow understand you guys sitting here Hating on it. But they dont. You can still get your Money back so why do you sit here playing the Dying Swan ?????

Where does it say you have to be a backer to discuss SC? Where does it say if you're a refunded backer you can no longer discuss SC?

Why are you - and so many other backers so keen to control what other people say?

Sooner or later you need to accept that people will say what they want regardless of you and your "gg".

Or you can carry on until eventually you realise that all your efforts do nothing more than provoke further and more detailed anti SC sentiment.

 

[Zetta]

Yes. I know.
And thats called Hater in the Internet.

Which is exactly what this Forum is Full of. Haters.


For heavens sake if you are then stop being annoying and demand a Refund.
Once you got your Money Back the only thing your losing to it is the time you keep wasting hating on it.


If they denied Refunds I could somehow understand you guys sitting here Hating on it. But they dont. You can still get your Money back so why do you sit here playing the Dying Swan ?????

Dude, stop hating on this thread....

People are allowed to post whatever they want providing it doesn't break Frontier's rules. You may not like what they have to say but they still have the right to say it.

 

[AlPilg]

Well I'll put my hand up and say I hate it, pretty much every aspect of SC.

Mind you I didn't at first, they've slowly worn me down and my patience with these people is a mere, hollow husk of what it was.

Ben seems like a fine fellow (Parry, no relation to Mike I hope!) however, it's the rabid fanbase that has irked me.

Some of them are really annoying, trying to think of some examples, hmmm.

Have fun!

 

[Sunleader]

An XKCD 'toon is as good a 'Nature' paper in my book.



Err, OK.
Not what you originally said, so grab an actual dictionary, look up "hate", and get back to us.

Also, for pity's sake, work out what the 'shift' key is for. Protip: You don't help your case by making yourself look like a drooling imbecile.

I would never look like you. No matter what I do with My Shift Key.
Sigh.

 

[DLewth]

I would never look like you. No matter what I do with My Shift Key.
Sigh.

A hit, a very palpable hit!

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Don't make me bite my thumb at you, sir.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

If you want to discuss each other's bodily fluid leakages, can you two get a room?

Hitting the "No, you smell!" school of debating is a new high even for this thread!

Back on topic, I take it there was no official mention at all of the 2.6 roadmap slipping? It was a case of "Let's adjust it and hope there is no fuss?"...

 

[Tippis]

Back on topic, I take it there was no official mention at all of the 2.6 roadmap slipping? It was a case of "Let's adjust it and hope there is no fuss?"...

We've always been at war with Eastasia.

 

[DLewth]

If you want to discuss each other's bodily fluid leakages, can you two get a room?

Hitting the "No, you smell!" school of debating is a new high even for this thread!

Back on topic, I take it there was no official mention at all of the 2.6 roadmap slipping? It was a case of "Let's adjust it and hope there is no fuss?"...

But his juices smell weird. [ugh]

And yes, the slippage was noted a page or two back.

Edit: I just tried to check, but it's least 10 pages. This thread is worse than Canonn.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

But his juices smell weird. [ugh]

And yes, the slippage was noted a page or two back.

Aye, it was noted by Angela Lansbury and Peter Falk, I wondered if Disco 2000 or any of the CiG crew had made an explanation?

 

[Zetta]

Back on topic, I take it there was no official mention at all of the 2.6 roadmap slipping? It was a case of "Let's adjust it and hope there is no fuss?"...

They pretty much painted the backers into a corner with that chart, they can adjust it without saying a word and no one can complain because they're being given "unprecedented levels of access to development". It feels really passive aggressive to be honest.

 

[DLewth]

Aye, it was noted by Angela Lansbury and Peter Falk, I wondered if Disco 2000 or any of the CiG crew had made an explanation?

Ha. If a tree falls down in reddit and no-one upvotes it, does it make a post?

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They pretty much painted the backers into a corner with that chart, they can adjust it without saying a word and no one can complain because they're being given "unprecedented levels of access to development". It feels really passive aggressive to be honest.

"Look how open my development is! Don't you want to put something in here?"

(Edit: Kudos to whoever put together the FDev naughty word list)

 

[Sunleader]

4 years of dissapointment will do that to a person. Though it's not hatred, it exasperation.
Hopefully, things will turn a corner in terms of progress - we shall see.

Thats something I dont Understand to be Honest.
The Game has been making a Slower than Expected. But Fairly Steady Progress.
I have been Logging in now and then. Checking how things work.
And when I do they have usually improved something. Added something or made it more Playable.

You guys claim they will never Finish a Game. But seriously said. They pretty much got a Game there. One that alot of People already Play.
Sure its not Finished and it has Bugs.
But for those who might not have Noticed it.

They got a Game in which you can Walk around with your Avatar, Get into your Spaceship which you can Walk around. You can have First Person Shooter Fights all over the Map including inside your Ships.
You can have Space Battles all over the Place. You can have Spacebattles WHILE someone is Walking around on your Ship or even Fighting on your Ship. You can have People inside your Ship Man Turrets of your Ship and even Run from 1 Turret to another Turret during Space Combat.
The First Person Shooter is roughly the lvl of an Older Counterstrike Game. Currently. But it Works. lol.
The Space Combat is a bit lacking on Physics. But aside from that its very Detailed and Pretty Fun to do. Being Honest. Space Battles in Star Citizen Alpha are much more Enticing and Fun than Space Battles in Elite Dangerous.



And see here is something that might be the Difference for someone experienced in that Field a bit.
From the Get Go. Star Citizen is making Progress at an Pretty Good Rate to be Honest.
You can Argue that given their insane amount of Staff it should go Faster. But their Progress is pretty much what I would Expect from a Big Company Developing an even Bigger Game.
What they did wrong was that they kept the Timetable after adding all sorts of things.
They became a 100 Million Dollar Game but their Timetable was still that of the 2 Million Dollar Game which they Started Kickstarter with.

Anyone whose IQ is even just barely above his own Body Temperature. Could see that they would never be able to hold true to that.
They could be Super Competent but this Timetable could never Work. The Rate of Progress they would have Required to meet these Dates would have beaten any Records by 3 times.
You cant Expand the Games Size by Factor 10 and Seriously Expect that you will still be Finished in the same Time.

From the Get go given the Games Size. An Development Time from 8-10 Years and thats assuming that they Work very Efficient Already.
The Main Factor of Cost on an Game is the Developers. So your Best Bet to know how long a Game will take to be Developed. Is to just Calculate how long they will be able to Work with that.
If a Game for 100.000.000 Dollars is going to be Developed. By an lets say. Team of 100 People. You can assume that each of them Requires Equipment each needs to be Paid and each needs Software and Licenses to work with.
Let say your Average Cost per Person is 10.000 Dollars. (The Guy Cleaning the Computers doesnt cost that much and your Top Programmers cost way more. Its an Average) Then if you Run it Down. You Still end up on a Development of over 8 Years.



Sorry. But Star Citizen is making Progress at the Fairly Normal Speed you usually See when Video Games are Developed. Their Progress is nowhere near the Records they apparently Planned to Break.
And its also nowhere close to the Stagnation that some People keep claiming it to be.
Its making a Fair and Steady Progress.

And Sorry.
But I for my Part Hate the Haters in here. Which no matter what SC does only Ridicule it and Trashtalk anything its doing no matter how Awesome it is what they Archieve or Create.
And Just so you know. I hate Hardcore Fans which Jump around like Crazy for any new Announcement just as Much.

Because for Heavens sake. Get this into your Head.
The Guys Programming that are normal Humans. And they are Developing it at an Completely Human Speed like Thousand Games got Developed before them.
SC will not be out at least not properly by 2017. I can tell you this.
Given its Development Speed and Workload. I would Estimate 2018 to 2019 for an Release of the Game.

 

[Tippis]

But I for my Part Hate the Haters in here. Which no matter what SC does only Ridicule it and Trashtalk anything its doing no matter how Awesome it is what they Archieve or Create.

That's just it: they're not creating or achieving anything awesome. When they do — which occasionally happens with their visual presentation — it gets whatever cheering it deserves. But for the most part, what they offer up is broken, incoherent, contrary to earlier promises, and above all late, late, late. Pointing this out is not hate — it's stating a matter of fact. This is the disconnect that you need to get into your head: just because it's negative doesn't mean it's hate, and just because there's a lot of it doesn't mean that it's the only thing ever said. The amount of negativity simply accurately reflects what is actually coming out of the CIG offices when you no longer have a cheer-everything-no-matter-what filter applied.

Because for Heavens sake. Get this into your Head.
The Guys Programming that are normal Humans. And they are Developing it at an Completely Human Speed like Thousand Games got Developed before them.

They really aren't. The games before it that took this long for this many people to get this not-even-remotely-far were shut down for being too slow to be worth-while. The programmers may do the best they can, but it is all for naught because of the disastrous management of the project that keeps nullifying any and all potential for progress.

 

[DLewth]

Thats something I dont Understand to be Honest.
The Game has been making a Slower than Expected. But Fairly Steady Progress.
I have been Logging in now and then. Checking how things work.
And when I do they have usually improved something. Added something or made it more Playable.

You guys claim they will never Finish a Game. But seriously said. They pretty much got a Game there. One that alot of People already Play.
Sure its not Finished and it has Bugs.
But for those who might not have Noticed it.

They got a Game in which you can Walk around with your Avatar, Get into your Spaceship which you can Walk around. You can have First Person Shooter Fights all over the Map including inside your Ships.
You can have Space Battles all over the Place. You can have Spacebattles WHILE someone is Walking around on your Ship or even Fighting on your Ship. You can have People inside your Ship Man Turrets of your Ship and even Run from 1 Turret to another Turret during Space Combat.
The First Person Shooter is roughly the lvl of an Older Counterstrike Game. Currently. But it Works. lol.
The Space Combat is a bit lacking on Physics. But aside from that its very Detailed and Pretty Fun to do. Being Honest. Space Battles in Star Citizen Alpha are much more Enticing and Fun than Space Battles in Elite Dangerous.



And see here is something that might be the Difference for someone experienced in that Field a bit.
From the Get Go. Star Citizen is making Progress at an Pretty Good Rate to be Honest.
You can Argue that given their insane amount of Staff it should go Faster. But their Progress is pretty much what I would Expect from a Big Company Developing an even Bigger Game.
What they did wrong was that they kept the Timetable after adding all sorts of things.
They became a 100 Million Dollar Game but their Timetable was still that of the 2 Million Dollar Game which they Started Kickstarter with.

Anyone whose IQ is even just barely above his own Body Temperature. Could see that they would never be able to hold true to that.
They could be Super Competent but this Timetable could never Work. The Rate of Progress they would have Required to meet these Dates would have beaten any Records by 3 times.
You cant Expand the Games Size by Factor 10 and Seriously Expect that you will still be Finished in the same Time.

From the Get go given the Games Size. An Development Time from 8-10 Years and thats assuming that they Work very Efficient Already.
The Main Factor of Cost on an Game is the Developers. So your Best Bet to know how long a Game will take to be Developed. Is to just Calculate how long they will be able to Work with that.
If a Game for 100.000.000 Dollars is going to be Developed. By an lets say. Team of 100 People. You can assume that each of them Requires Equipment each needs to be Paid and each needs Software and Licenses to work with.
Let say your Average Cost per Person is 10.000 Dollars. (The Guy Cleaning the Computers doesnt cost that much and your Top Programmers cost way more. Its an Average) Then if you Run it Down. You Still end up on a Development of over 8 Years.



Sorry. But Star Citizen is making Progress at the Fairly Normal Speed you usually See when Video Games are Developed. Their Progress is nowhere near the Records they apparently Planned to Break.
And its also nowhere close to the Stagnation that some People keep claiming it to be.
Its making a Fair and Steady Progress.

And Sorry.
But I for my Part Hate the Haters in here. Which no matter what SC does only Ridicule it and Trashtalk anything its doing no matter how Awesome it is what they Archieve or Create.
And Just so you know. I hate Hardcore Fans which Jump around like Crazy for any new Announcement just as Much.

Because for Heavens sake. Get this into your Head.
The Guys Programming that are normal Humans. And they are Developing it at an Completely Human Speed like Thousand Games got Developed before them.
SC will not be out at least not properly by 2017. I can tell you this.
Given its Development Speed and Workload. I would Estimate 2018 to 2019 for an Release of the Game.

The thing is, SC and ED had their kickstarters at the same time. There's even a video conference with DB and CR discussing their projects that I can dig out if you like. In the intervening years, CR has got a lot more money, but DB has got a lot more game published.

Why is this?

 

[Tuub t Tute]

Thats something I dont Understand to be Honest.
The Game has been making a Slower than Expected. But Fairly Steady Progress.
I have been Logging in now and then. Checking how things work.
And when I do they have usually improved something. Added something or made it more Playable.

You guys claim they will never Finish a Game. But seriously said. They pretty much got a Game there. One that alot of People already Play.
Sure its not Finished and it has Bugs.
But for those who might not have Noticed it.

They got a Game in which you can Walk around with your Avatar, Get into your Spaceship which you can Walk around. You can have First Person Shooter Fights all over the Map including inside your Ships.
You can have Space Battles all over the Place. You can have Spacebattles WHILE someone is Walking around on your Ship or even Fighting on your Ship. You can have People inside your Ship Man Turrets of your Ship and even Run from 1 Turret to another Turret during Space Combat.
The First Person Shooter is roughly the lvl of an Older Counterstrike Game. Currently. But it Works. lol.
The Space Combat is a bit lacking on Physics. But aside from that its very Detailed and Pretty Fun to do. Being Honest. Space Battles in Star Citizen Alpha are much more Enticing and Fun than Space Battles in Elite Dangerous.



And see here is something that might be the Difference for someone experienced in that Field a bit.
From the Get Go. Star Citizen is making Progress at an Pretty Good Rate to be Honest.
You can Argue that given their insane amount of Staff it should go Faster. But their Progress is pretty much what I would Expect from a Big Company Developing an even Bigger Game.
What they did wrong was that they kept the Timetable after adding all sorts of things.
They became a 100 Million Dollar Game but their Timetable was still that of the 2 Million Dollar Game which they Started Kickstarter with.

Anyone whose IQ is even just barely above his own Body Temperature. Could see that they would never be able to hold true to that.
They could be Super Competent but this Timetable could never Work. The Rate of Progress they would have Required to meet these Dates would have beaten any Records by 3 times.
You cant Expand the Games Size by Factor 10 and Seriously Expect that you will still be Finished in the same Time.

From the Get go given the Games Size. An Development Time from 8-10 Years and thats assuming that they Work very Efficient Already.
The Main Factor of Cost on an Game is the Developers. So your Best Bet to know how long a Game will take to be Developed. Is to just Calculate how long they will be able to Work with that.
If a Game for 100.000.000 Dollars is going to be Developed. By an lets say. Team of 100 People. You can assume that each of them Requires Equipment each needs to be Paid and each needs Software and Licenses to work with.
Let say your Average Cost per Person is 10.000 Dollars. (The Guy Cleaning the Computers doesnt cost that much and your Top Programmers cost way more. Its an Average) Then if you Run it Down. You Still end up on a Development of over 8 Years.



Sorry. But Star Citizen is making Progress at the Fairly Normal Speed you usually See when Video Games are Developed. Their Progress is nowhere near the Records they apparently Planned to Break.
And its also nowhere close to the Stagnation that some People keep claiming it to be.
Its making a Fair and Steady Progress.

And Sorry.
But I for my Part Hate the Haters in here. Which no matter what SC does only Ridicule it and Trashtalk anything its doing no matter how Awesome it is what they Archieve or Create.
And Just so you know. I hate Hardcore Fans which Jump around like Crazy for any new Announcement just as Much.

Because for Heavens sake. Get this into your Head.
The Guys Programming that are normal Humans. And they are Developing it at an Completely Human Speed like Thousand Games got Developed before them.
SC will not be out at least not properly by 2017. I can tell you this.
Given its Development Speed and Workload. I would Estimate 2018 to 2019 for an Release of the Game.

The makers of the game flatly refuse to give any release date for either Sq42 or SC, beyond "An update is scheduled for soon". CR and crew have never once, intimated anything like an 8 to 10 year schedule, which would mean 2020 / 2021 depending on if you count the start as 2012 or 2013. So you have just heavily implied that the makers of the game " have IQ is even just barely above his own Body Temperature." which does nothing to inspire confidence.

CR said 3yrs, then next year, then MVP possibly next year. Do you think it would be honest and show integrity of them to publicly state "The games will not release before 2020 and yup, all our talk about being fully funded was incorrect, so if you don't keep giving us money, we will close before we manage to release"?

As it is, they crow repeatedly about every Jpeg sale increasing their revenues, without ever giving a release date, let alone one as realistic as you state, of 2020 or beyond.

Do you think that approach should be free from discussion and criticism? What do you think would happen to their revenue stream if they clearly stated "No game for the next 4 years, keep funding!"

 

[Zyll Goliat]

In the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality, as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth.Denialism is an essentially irrational action that withholds the validation of an historical experience or event, by the person refusing to accept an empirically verifiable reality..........and reality is that there is no GAME to play....If some ppl. calling a game this current alpha-garbage-tech demo.....then they obviously twisting the reality and finding the excuse for current situation......
We need to deal and judge this current FACTS and this game-play we are able to experience.....not to dream and imagine the best possible outcome,especially when we deal with the man that LIES as soon as he open his mouth...period......

 

[DLewth]

In the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality, as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth.Denialism is an essentially irrational action that withholds the validation of an historical experience or event, by the person refusing to accept an empirically verifiable reality..........and reality is that there is no GAME to play....If some ppl. calling a game this current alpha-garbage-tech demo.....then they obviously twisting the reality and finding the excuse for current situation......
We need to deal and judge this current FACTS and this game-play we are able to experience.....not to dream and imagine the best possible outcome,especially when we deal with the man that LIES as soon as he open his mouth...period......

"I indend to live forever. Or die trying"
Plus, I need a decent game to while away the years. Any takers?

 

[Dooguk]

Would I be right in thinking that the amount of jpegs a SC backer has, is directly proportional to the amount of "faith" they have in Chris Roberts?
Or is it percentage of income invested? i.e. those who are in a bit too deep.