The Star Citizen Thread v5

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I also understand that there are cultural differences between posters. We do sarcasm and taking the pee in a big way in the UK (back me up guys). Not every country does.
It's that Saxon big-bladder gene making itself known, that's all… :p


Perhaps he is, but the thing is, do you think the original crowdfunding campaign would have taken off nearly as well as it has without Chris Roberts' name attached to it? Imagine how it would have looked if it were started by people without such a brand, without a history in space sims. For reference, you can check how much other space sims crowdfunded campaigns have made (excl. Elite: Dangerous, since that had David Braben behind it).
Of course, if Star Citizen should fail, that'll also be on Mr. Roberts. Not "evil publishers", not Derek Smart, not evil journalists, and so on: nobody has as much control nor influence over CIG as Chris Roberts does.

That's kind of the funny thing about the whole DSmart part of the story: the fact that he's the big satan whose mere existence (somehow) jeopardises the entire project rests on thing — that Chris proclaimed it was so. In deciding to blame Derek for pretty much everything ever in his letter to The Escapist, Chris empowered Derek with a degree of credibility as a threat and a critic that his long-winded whining and grand-standing could never have done on its own.

Even setting aside the astounding tone-deafness of the letter, it's really messaging 101. Spending that much time and effort on introducing a person and blaming them for everything in relation to a piece where they were previously not even mentioned, will only ever be interpreted in one way: that this person matters to you, a lot. It's Amy's Baking Company levels of doing it wrong, and just like with those guys, I have a sneaky suspicion that Chris will never understand that this, too, was something of his own making.

The funny thing is, regardless of whether the project will succeed or not, in my opinion it would already be a pretty good basis for a play. You know, "any resemblances to real persons are completely unintended" et cetera.

…or better yet, a proper journalistic exposé, similar to Conspiracy of Fools (read this book — it's great), if nothing else because I think there might be an awful lot of overlap in the historical narrative. :D
 
In case that you miss here is the latest Scott Manley opinion about the SC 2.6

[video=youtube;_BTD9sZg0iQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BTD9sZg0iQ[/video]
 
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I really hate this thread and all the thoughts and opinions you guys have about...stuff, but I simply can't stop reading it intensely. Boy it makes me so mad. I'm going to read every word of it before declaring my hatred of it all and everything possibly even slightly associated with it in a separate unrelated forum on the interwebs.

That'll show you.
 
Some people seem to really hate this thread, enough that it is apparently stopping them from buying the game (LOL)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5kdrss/now_that_theres_this_amazon_partnership/

While it's true that there's some rather unneeded jabs at individual persons and SC in general in this thread (and I admit it's easy to get pulled in), the thing these people forget is this:

When ED was in development, and even after its release, every single news comment thread was filled with detracting statements, all basically saying that one shouldn't buy Elite because there's this other space game coming out *real soon*, one that has a "much bigger scope", and really Elite can't possibly hope to be able to compete. And a lot of potential buyers got sucked in and bought this claim. Now here we are, years later.

What comes around...

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It's hard to say. If SQ42 had been on the schedule that it seemed to be, maybe 3.0 wouldn't have been unreasonable for this year. Maybe a little over optimistic like usual.

Hmm.. I don't believe that you guys have trading, piracy, bounty hunting, cargo transport and mercenary mechanics in the game yet, and I also don't believe that it was realistic to say in Mid August that these features would come in December.

Remember back then I wrote a post about the scheduling: December is essentially 2/3 or even 50% of a month. QA and testing takes time, even if we assume a breakneck 2 weeks for internal tests and 2 weeks for evocati testing, it would still mean one month down the drain for that alone. So you essentially had September, October, and half of November for development of 3.0, all while 2.6 was still in development and already getting delayed again and again.

2.5 months for several major key gameplay systems? Ben, I don't believe the delays of SQ42 have anything to do with this.

But that's just my assumption. If you guys have large parts of these features working already... maybe. But again even then it would be a super tight schedule. Like, super-crunchtime no-weekend sleep-in-the-office kinda schedule.
 
While it's true that there's some rather unneeded jabs at individual persons and SC in general in this thread (and I admit it's easy to get pulled in), the thing these people forget is this:

When ED was in development, and even after its release, every single news comment thread was filled with detracting statements, all basically saying that one shouldn't buy Elite because there's this other space game coming out *real soon*, one that has a "much bigger scope", and really Elite can't possibly hope to be able to compete. And a lot of potential buyers got sucked in and bought this claim. Now here we are, years later.

What comes around...

So much this.

Since beginning there's group of very loud SC backers claiming ED a failure and copycat. And unfortunately for rest of SC fans they have defined 'SC vs. ED' for years. If anyone feels threatened, it's them. I don't feel threatened. For me ED is good enough, while I want it to be expanded upon, I can play it, I can enjoy it for what it is. I personally find these attacks just annoying now. ED is in safe hands, while I want it's development to move on faster, I think I can say for sure FD knows how to move forward after Season 2 - 50/50 of base game improvements and new features - and it seems community supports this move.

Even on this subreddit thread I read these theories how we ridicule SC just because they definitely will destroy every other game in vicinity, ED included. Why this thought is so persistent? What they gain from it?
 
Really awful there. Wonder what his system is seemed like he was getting incredibly low fps there throughout not to mention the really janky lagging.

Recording at 480p. Is he running the game on a potato, or is the optimisation just that bad?
 
Just a general note on gameplay videos and youtube - something to bear in mind when viewing fan-made videos of Star Citizen (or any other game)

1. Unless you are using a hardware based capture device, very high quality graphics will often get gimped by your capture software, and ultimately the top speed of your disk writing.
2. Youtube severley gimps quality in video uploads, unless you have one of their premium paid accounts (like game devs would have)
3. Sometimes what looks terrible on video, feels fine when you're playing

I know this from doing video capture from ArmA 3 - just some capture of the go-Kart racing stuff. It looks totally awesome when I play it, but no matter how high I set the capture settings for NVIDIA or OBS, after uploading to youtube it looked awful, with natsy colour noise all over the place.
I also know from early days of ED alpha videos, some of my friends said they did not like the looks of the HUD woblling around as you speed up and slow down - but when I let them have a go of the game, it was not a problem.

Just a few things to think about - if you do have access to Star Citizen (or any other game), it is better to judge it by actually having a go.
 
Even on this subreddit thread I read these theories how we ridicule SC just because they definitely will destroy every other game in vicinity, ED included. Why this thought is so persistent? What they gain from it?

You have to remember that these are people who think that PC gaming is in need of saving. You know, the market that is selling better than ever — even outpacing all but perhaps one console — and which has been alive and well for closing in on a quarter of a century…

They must be under attack — doesn't matter from what or from where — or a huge part of their self-image would turn out to be complete nonsense, and we can't have that! Consequently, not only must everything be attacked “in retaliation,” but obviously, everyone else must be as protective of their particular game and be on constant attack mode, too, because it can't be the SC community that is… ehrm… a bit bonkers, now can it?
 
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Even on this subreddit thread I read these theories how we ridicule SC just because they definitely will destroy every other game in vicinity, ED included. Why this thought is so persistent? What they gain from it?

In the past years i realized something, all the hyped up games with pretty and awesome videos and alot of promises are ALL better then ED will ever be....until they get released and reality hits them..*cough* no mans sky as a example.
It was the complete same thing...how often did i hear how much better NMS, is how revolutionary, how faster developed and how much more there is to it then ED will ever have. Just remembering the meltdown of dreams and fantasy when the game got released makes me delight in schadenfreude.

Not because it was a competitor...because it was good to see all those ,lets take the SC approach, "haters" that belittled ED getting what they deserved. A Type-9 full of biowaste on their ego.

Hearing the same stuff for years from the SC fanbase just screams to me that a fleet of type-9 is ready to drop out of supercruise and offload their biowaste on them....

EDIT: And i said it several times, its not for the SC Fanbase to prove my wrong or convincing me otherwise about SC. Its all in CR hands to show me and prove me wrong...so far for the past years i am not impressed and my bar is already very low at this point.
 
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Yeah, no. Not even close. Updating from an older version to a newer is one thing; reintegrating two completely separate forks is something else.

Now let's think about what it means to reintegrate two completely separate forks in order to fork the fork…

So I guess it was indeed dead simple after all [rolleyes]

Chris Roberts
Erin Roberts


Very good move from CIG and also Amazon, Star Citizen longevity is secured with Amazon services (top dog in the cloud service) and Lumberyard that is accommodating the future of video-games, online & VR features. And since they have no capital problems they will for sure continue to invest in the engine at full-force while they can use Star Citizen as a flagship top AAA ambitious game to showcase their Lumberyard Engine.

Win Win for everyone except maybe the doom&scam preachers lol. Wonder why mr Agent leaker didn't saw this coming , must have been busy looking over the coffee machine [big grin].

2 more fan-made videos with top quality, this camera revamp really helps for content makers, joy to watch!

[video=youtube;LrTut3lAFs0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrTut3lAFs0[/video]

[video=youtube;bE6ZzhyblCo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6ZzhyblCo&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Merry Christmas everyone! And to anyone looking for an Idris or Polaris the Boxing Day Sale seems to be live right now! [up]
 
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Just a general note on gameplay videos and youtube - something to bear in mind when viewing fan-made videos of Star Citizen (or any other game)

All fine suggestions, Stormprooter, there are very few properly captured ED experiences on Youtube - in fact, majorit of them make ED to look way worse than in actual life.

What astonished me in this video though is open lag or even freeze of opponent's avatars. This looks terribad. I guess experiences differ form match to match, from person to person.
 
You have to remember that these are people who think that PC gaming is in need of saving. You know, the market that is selling better than ever — even outpacing all but perhaps one console — and which has been alive and well for closing in on a quarter of a century…

They must be under attack — doesn't matter from what or from where — or a huge part of their self-image would turn out to be complete nonsense, and we can't have that! Consequently, not only must everything be attacked “in retaliation,” but obviously, everyone else must be as protective of their particular game and be on constant attack mode, too, because it can't be the SC community that is… ehrm… a bit bonkers, now can it?

It is quite clear that this thought comes from 'siege mentality'. It is very classic and crude way to make people emotionally invested. So I am not surprised to see such sentiment from SC backers. Even some closer friends who are SC backers are very staunch defenders of project and criticise ED for not being ambitious as SC. When I explain how it is in reality they feel quite confused. However I also don't challenge them afterwards - I just feel to state what I think but that's all.

I think ED community had similar issues, but released game helps. We all have invested time and money into ED, but we also got finished game in the end. So many players feel they got worth out of it.

When ED launched we just wanted Elite 4. We didn't think it will save PC gaming, or that it will be VR king (ED didn't promise VR support during Kickstarter, CIG did in fact), or that there will be XBO or PS4 version, or that there will be landings at release. Ambition is something you prove with your work not you declare right out the bat. You don't declare 'teh best game ever', you make it and make players to judge it afterwards.
 
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All fine suggestions, Stormprooter, there are very few properly captured ED experiences on Youtube - in fact, majorit of them make ED to look way worse than in actual life.

What astonished me in this video though is open lag or even freeze of opponent's avatars. This looks terribad. I guess experiences differ form match to match, from person to person.

Yep - my notes were just for balance really :)
 
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