As stated, it's already destroyed, just at the cost of potential interactions of a more desired nature. Why should the 2 be mandated together? What's being asked for isn't truly an open server, so maybe we need to move away from that name.
Frontier. Please make a PVE mode to this game.
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As stated, it's already destroyed, just at the cost of potential interactions of a more desired nature. Why should the 2 be mandated together? What's being asked for isn't truly an open server, so maybe we need to move away from that name.
It isn't a pvp centric game but pretending pvp doesn't exist or lacking the will to understand and adapt to what is, rather than wishful rainbow pony thinking is just sticking your head in the sand and blaming others for your lack of effort.
Also the game isn't a pve game (though it is slowly becoming so because actual pvp is just awful). Improving pvp so that pvpers have some reason to fight each other and some way of winning determined by skill or organisation is the best way to prevent tedium based pyschosis that leads to ganking.
What's so hard to understand about that?
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The suggestion is annoying because you're hearing people say that they don't enjoy PvP interaction in this game, and responding with advice about how to get better at PvP interaction. Bearing in mind that playing cat and mouse with PvP players is PvP interaction whether you escape from the encounter or not.
There is no battle to fight. Some players want the possibility of PvP, and some players don't. Letting the latter group play together in unlimited numbers the way the former group can doesn't harm anybody.
Hey. I've done my fair share of time in open. Don't try to lecture me. I have tried to participate in a CG in open. I couldn't get anywhere in SC. Tried waiting with my back to the star, guess what? Gankers wait too. I know how to run from being interdicted, (4 pips to sys/eng based on which is more viable, turn toward attacker, chain boost, high wake), done it a lot prior to simply leaving open mode. I simply got tired of doing that all the time. Now with engineers, I know for a fact that there are some scenarios where even that won't work.
Oh...and here is the most important part of everything: Don't want PvP encounters at all, but still want some degree of player interaction. I don't need to be told how to survive PvP. I have a method already. I simply don't care for, or about, PvP in any way, shape or form.
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It's really avoiding destructive interaction in a living universe which is itself a vanishingly rare occurrence outside CGs and other high turn out places.
But, no, don't learn the game or play it to its fill potential. Just play it like a very expensive mobile game.
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You are of course entitled to your opinion of PvE games. But Elite isn't a competitive game (to me) and I genuinely couldn't care less about how anybody views the way I enjoy playing it.
The fact remains that I and many other players would like to play the game our way in a single mode rather than being split among many private groups, just like you and everybody who shares your preferences already can.
I never said that you can't play an active role in your own survival, I said that it's a lie to claim that putting a shield on gives you a fighting chance.
I love how you just had to end with a quip about PvErs not being willing to get 'better'. As if PvP is actually difficult. People can already avoid all of these issues if they desire by playing in Solo, I fail to see how a certain cliqué of PvPers think that Open PvE would somehow divide the community further. If anything it'll actually bring members of the community together, as it will mean that many of the players who currently play in Solo (which I don't, just for the record) will be able to interact and communicate with other players.
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The simple fact is that the PvP crowd has to embrace and master virtually every aspect of the game, whereas in PvE you can get away with dithering about the merits of whether a shield will increase your survivability or not. In PvE, you don't need to be good, or skilled at almost anything, whereas in PvP if you haven't mastered the game you're dead. For the record, I certainly don't consider myself a lord of PvP, I'm just a guy trying to up his game, and who isn't too prejudiced to recognize the outstanding achievements of others
The simple fact is that the PvP crowd has to embrace and master virtually every aspect of the game, whereas in PvE you can get away with dithering about the merits of whether a shield will increase your survivability or not. In PvE, you don't need to be good, or skilled at almost anything, whereas in PvP if you haven't mastered the game you're dead. For the record, I certainly don't consider myself a lord of PvP, I'm just a guy trying to up his game, and who isn't too prejudiced to recognize the outstanding achievements of others
If you say so sweetie. I don't think there's an awful lot of skill involved in any aspect of Elite, and there's certainly no skill whatsoever in attacking a T6 in a combat ship, engineered or not, but if it makes you feel better then yes, you people who actively seek out PvP truly are a higher class.
Far be it from me to argue with a pilot who thinks putting a shield on his his ship is a worthless idea. And don't think that I am; I'm simply resisting the idea that Fdev would spend their development time catering to you, as opposed to people who are willing to...put a little more thought into what they do. Have a nice night, sweetie
Far be it from me to argue with a pilot who thinks putting a shield on his his ship is a worthless idea. And don't think that I am; I'm simply resisting the idea that Fdev would spend their development time catering to you, as opposed to people who are willing to...put a little more thought into what they do. Have a nice night, sweetie
I never said putting a shield on your ship is pointless, I merely objected to the notion that putting a shield on a ship was some kind of solution to being ganked.
And I love it, we're getting a major patch in a few weeks that entirely aimed at PvP balance, which is following the release of a major new combat system in SLFs, which itself followed the heat-meta rebalances, and yet its the PvErs that make up the majority of the game's player-base that are the entitled ones? As far as I can see FD have done a fairly balanced job of adding new content to both sides.
And again, a beautiful quip there. "People who are willing to put a little more thought into what they do". You should write that one down.
I'm simply resisting the idea that Fdev would spend their development time catering to you, as opposed to people who are willing to...put a little more thought into what they do. Have a nice night, sweetie
So you are suggesting that combat players put more thought into playing Elite than other non-combat players do, thus they deserve to get the lion's share of development time compared to the explorers, the traders, or the miners? Is that correct?
Far be it from me to argue with a pilot who thinks putting a shield on his his ship is a worthless idea. And don't think that I am; I'm simply resisting the idea that Fdev would spend their development time catering to you, as opposed to people who are willing to...put a little more thought into what they do. Have a nice night, sweetie
Fdev has already spent plenty of time catering to the PvP crowd. Between CQC and 2.2.03, its time for other people to have some FD love
Hmm, let me walk that back a little, because it wasn't non combat players and content that I was really speaking to, but rather the development time for a whole new mode, which I think is a crap idea.
No, bring on the non combat content says I; I would be happy as a clam to go back to Beagle Point if there were more meaningful exploration content & mechanics, for instance. Don't forget boys, in your rush to paint me with the bad 'ol PvPer who can't think past the pew pew because of his OCD, I'm Elite in Trade and Exploration as well as a member of the 65k LY's from Sol Club, so obviously I have a deep love for all aspects of the game
Hmm, let me walk that back a little, because it wasn't non combat players and content that I was really speaking to, but rather the development time for a whole new mode, which I think is a crap idea.
No, bring on the non combat content says I; I would be happy as a clam to go back to Beagle Point if there were more meaningful exploration content & mechanics, for instance. Don't forget boys, in your rush to paint me with the bad 'ol PvPer who can't think past the pew pew because of his OCD, I'm Elite in Trade and Exploration as well as a member of the 65k LY's from Sol Club, so obviously I have a deep love for all aspects of the game
If ED could come up with some way to make Open appealing enough to players who aren't interested in potentially getting murdered for no reason by a player then I would be all for it, but I can't see how they're going to be able to do that to enough of a degree that it would lure people out from Solo play. There are a few things that would help - an actual crime and punishment system would be nice - but the existence of Mobius attests to the fact that a significant number of people are interested in a form of multiplayer experience that does not contain the risk of being attacked or killed by another pilot. The fact that such attacks are indeed very minimal in Open, and could become even less common if killing players for no reason was actually punished, is less relevant to many people than the fact that the risk exists at all.
inb4 somebody replies with "Well maybe they should just learn to avoid it or defend themselves", which is an argument that holds no water whatsoever because it assumes that the reason that people don't play in Open is because they cannot survive being attacked. The point, to my understanding, has never been that people play in Solo because they can't defend themselves, it's that they play in Solo because they find having to defend themselves to be a nuisance that distracts from the experience they desire. I can't really speak for myself in that regard as I do play in Open, but that's my reading anyway.
I'm certainly willing to end the conversation for the night on a civil, reasonable note. Have some rep and a nice evening--I really wasn't trying to be disrespectful
I'm certainly willing to end the conversation for the night on a civil, reasonable note. Have some rep and a nice evening--I really wasn't trying to be disrespectful
I meant to write in that last paragraph that I didn't mean you when I said 'somebody', it was more aimed other, occasionally less civil, posters.
Adieu.
To be fair I play mostly in open.... I see a few friends here and there. If at a CG I switch to the Hutton private group to avoid the usual troublemakers.
I see no need to add a layer of complexity and a pve mode when all the tools you need are at your disposal already.