Frontier. Please make a PVE mode to this game.

[Daffan]

If there is a PvE mode.

There should be a separate galaxy server with only Open. Heh, if that existed - you could turn the current Open into a PvE mode for all I care.

For people who want meaningful gameplay/PvP instead of the entire game revolving around Solo grinding to affect bgs/pp/minor factions. Couldn't care less about ganking or murder, just a place for meaningful gameplay where you don't have to grind in solo to not feel behind.

 

[Gandalf06]

If there is a PvE mode.

There should be a separate galaxy server with only Open. Heh, if that existed - you could turn the current Open into a PvE mode for all I care.

For people who want meaningful gameplay/PvP instead of the entire game revolving around Solo grinding to affect bgs/pp/minor factions. Couldn't care less about ganking or murder, just a place for meaningful gameplay where you don't have to grind in solo to not feel behind.

Why, if you advocate open, do you grind in solo? Surely the whole point is that you should do everything in Open?

Cheers
G

 

[Robert Maynard]

If there is a PvE mode.

There should be a separate galaxy server with only Open. Heh, if that existed - you could turn the current Open into a PvE mode for all I care.

For people who want meaningful gameplay/PvP instead of the entire game revolving around Solo grinding to affect bgs/pp/minor factions. Couldn't care less about ganking or murder, just a place for meaningful gameplay where you don't have to grind in solo to not feel behind.

Frontier have been very clear that they are not going to duplicate the galaxy - and with the PS4 release expected sometime in the next 6 months or so that will be another platform added and there's no cross-play expected with it either (just as there is no cross-play between PC/Mac and XB1).

 

[Littlerift]

Nope, just splits the player base yet again, and also splits development efforts.

Another assumption is that all of the PvP players are constantly looking for any sign of life to pounce on it and vaporize. This assumption amuses me, because it assumes that the PvP players either...

A: Magically appeared in the game with a fished out Corvette from the very beginning and have no rebuy costs.

B: Bought said Corvette with credits earned strictly in solo because they're afraid of flying anything else in Open.

I always love the happy little illusions people build up to support their self-inflicted anxieties. Yet ultimately I just wish everyone would shut up and focus on making suggestions that actually improve the game, instead of cutting it off at the knees by overreacting to minor annoyances.

How does it split the community at all? Currently people who are willing to accept the risk of PvP play in Open (group A), and those that aren't play in Solo (i.e. they aren't even part of the community (Group B)). We also have Mobius (Group C). If we introduce PvE Open then Group A remains as it is, Group C remains as it is just in Open PvE rather than Mobius, and many members of Group B will migrate into Group C. No more groups are made, Group C is just expanded.

 

[verminstar]

How does it split the community at all? Currently people who are willing to accept the risk of PvP play in Open (group A), and those that aren't play in Solo (i.e. they aren't even part of the community (Group B)). We also have Mobius (Group C). If we introduce PvE Open then Group A remains as it is, Group C remains as it is just in Open PvE rather than Mobius, and many members of Group B will migrate into Group C. No more groups are made, Group C is just expanded.

Would sir like some sauce with that plate full of assumptions?

 

[Jason S]

How does it split the community at all? Currently people who are willing to accept the risk of PvP play in Open (group A), and those that aren't play in Solo (i.e. they aren't even part of the community (Group B)). We also have Mobius (Group C). If we introduce PvE Open then Group A remains as it is, Group C remains as it is just in Open PvE rather than Mobius, and many members of Group B will migrate into Group C. No more groups are made, Group C is just expanded.

Agreed open PvE will not split the game more as it is already split. What would happen is many from solo and mobius moving to open PvE.

 

[Littlerift]

Would sir like some sauce with that plate full of assumptions?

Only if you're still ordering the "We're all doomed!!!" assumption salad, I don't want to still be eating once you've finished.

But if you have an actual counter-argument I'd love to hear it.

 

[LeoBartlet]

Agreed open PvE will not split the game more as it is already split. What would happen is many from solo and mobius moving to open PvE.

As a solo play I can say with absolute confidence that I wouldnt move to a pve mode.

 

[Jason S]

As a solo play I can say with absolute confidence that I wouldnt move to a pve mode.

And as a solo player I can say I would move to PvE.

 

[verminstar]

Only if you're still ordering the "We're all doomed!!!" assumption salad, I don't want to still be eating once you've finished.

But if you have an actual counter-argument I'd love to hear it.

First of all, ye assume solo players arent a part of the community...why not? We play the game same as everyone else fer reasons of our own, but we are as much a part of the community as anyone else.

Yer also making the assumption may will move there...how do ye know that? How do ye know where players will move to?

Secondly, mobius is a singular player running a very large player group...it is not an official mode of play as some seem to think. Many cant move to mobius now as it is already full, so to be able to take in x number of thousands of players? Thats a lotta strain to put a player group under and it would need a capacity 3 or 4 times what it is now.

 

[Littlerift]

First of all, ye assume solo players arent a part of the community...why not? We play the game same as everyone else fer reasons of our own, but we are as much a part of the community as anyone else.

For the purpose of this discussion Solo players aren't part of the community, because we're not talking about the forum community or the wider community consisting of everybody who plays the game, but the internal community that interact within the game-world. This distinction is implicit in the accusation that the introduction of the PvE Open mode would split the community, because if what people meant by 'community' was simply every game owner then they wouldn't make that claim at all.

Yer also making the assumption may will move there...how do ye know that? How do ye know where players will move to?

Many Solo players have expressed a desire to have an Open PvE mode, and the existence and success of Mobius proves that there is a major desire for an Open PvE mode.

Secondly, mobius is a singular player running a very large player group...it is not an official mode of play as some seem to think. Many cant move to mobius now as it is already full, so to be able to take in x number of thousands of players? Thats a lotta strain to put a player group under and it would need a capacity 3 or 4 times what it is now.

Erm, this is another good reason to introduce an Open PvE mode... It would remove the necessity for an externally arranged group, remove the issues with instancing and server size that Mobius has, and allow Private Groups to go back to being primarily the domain of players that want to play only with a small group of friends. If Open PvE is introduced then Mobius wouldn't need any more capacity at all, in all likeliness it would be able to downsize considerably.

 

[LeoBartlet]

For the purpose of this discussion Solo players aren't part of the community, because we're not talking about the forum community or the wider community consisting of everybody who plays the game, but the internal community that interact within the game-world. This distinction is implicit in the accusation that the introduction of the PvE Open mode would split the community, because if what people meant by 'community' was simply every game owner then they wouldn't make that claim at all.



Many Solo players have expressed a desire to have an Open PvE mode, and the existence and success of Mobius proves that there is a major desire for an Open PvE mode.



Erm, this is another good reason to introduce an Open PvE mode... It would remove the necessity for an externally arranged group, remove the issues with instancing and server size that Mobius has, and allow Private Groups to go back to being primarily the domain of players that want to play only with a small group of friends. If Open PvE is introduced then Mobius wouldn't need any more capacity at all, in all likeliness it would be able to downsize considerably.

Plus it has the added benefit of fracturing the player base further with the addition of a 4th log in option.

 

[Littlerift]

Plus it has the added benefit of fracturing the player base further with the addition of a 4th log in option.

Again, explain how it fractures the player base? It relocates certain members of the player base, but if that results in people enjoying the game more then I frankly don't give a damn.

The only people who are going to move are those who aren't happy with the currently available modes, and such people are either playing in Solo (i.e. not interacting with people anyway and thus currently irrelevant in terms of a 'fractured community'), or in Mobius (see the last addendum).

Explain where this fracturing comes from?

 

[verminstar]

Many Solo players have expressed a desire to have an Open PvE mode, and the existence and success of Mobius proves that there is a major desire for an Open PvE mode.

Im well aware because Im one of them...Ive certainly left enough comments in this, and other threads supporting the open pve mode idea. Your previous assumption was that many solo players would move to mobius as opposed to an open pve mode. What do ye base that assumption on? Personally I avoid all groups, even mobius...thats not gonna change anytime soon. So far, all I can see is you making assumptions based off guesswork, and regardless of yer argument, I still consider meself a part of the community as a whole.

 

[flyauburn41]

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Again, explain how it fractures the player base? It relocates certain members of the player base, but if that results in people enjoying the game more then I frankly don't give a damn.

The only people who are going to move are those who aren't happy with the currently available modes, and such people are either playing in Solo (i.e. not interacting with people anyway and thus currently irrelevant in terms of a 'fractured community'), or in Mobius (see the last addendum).

Explain where this fracturing comes from?

Bad at math?

 

[Littlerift]

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Bad at math?

I would say that it's the "But it'll fracture the community" crowd that are bad at mathematics, but if you want to explain what's wrong with my logic then perhaps put some effort in?

 

[LeoBartlet]

Again, explain how it fractures the player base? It relocates certain members of the player base, but if that results in people enjoying the game more then I frankly don't give a damn.

The only people who are going to move are those who aren't happy with the currently available modes, and such people are either playing in Solo (i.e. not interacting with people anyway and thus currently irrelevant in terms of a 'fractured community'), or in Mobius (see the last addendum).

Explain where this fracturing comes from?

Four log in options with dilute existing modes in particular open I imagine once people figure out they have can have all the benefits of player to player communication without the nasty downside of pvp combat.

Anyhow feel free to reply but i'm breaking my 15 hour old new years resolution to not participate in circular arguments/circle jerks so im gonna pass on replying further.

Im fairly certain though that frontier will probably add a pve mode as it seems more than willing to pander to certain sections of the wider player community (in this context the vocal minority on the forum).

Examples include:

The 3rd or so weapons 'balance' in a year yet no content added for explorers, mining is woeful in particular ice mining and anyone remember DB saying during the horizons live stream that content would be added for the alliance.
Allowing trolls to continue to disrupt the game with little or no consequence (See SDC for examples)
Avoiding like the plague the idea of a viable crime and punishment system incase they upset people.
No bacon decals.

Happy new year btw.

 

[excalibus]

First of all, ye assume solo players arent a part of the community...why not? We play the game same as everyone else fer reasons of our own, but we are as much a part of the community as anyone else.

Yer also making the assumption may will move there...how do ye know that? How do ye know where players will move to?

Secondly, mobius is a singular player running a very large player group...it is not an official mode of play as some seem to think. Many cant move to mobius now as it is already full, so to be able to take in x number of thousands of players? Thats a lotta strain to put a player group under and it would need a capacity 3 or 4 times what it is now.

No one is claiming that solo players are not part of the greater game community, but for the purpose of this discusson, unless you are in solo purely to avoid PVP and would prefer to be playing in a multiplayer PVE mode with other likeminded players but cannot unless they are a member of a private group which cannot guarantee no PVP, then you are not part of the community wanting to play in such a mode.

We all make assumptions, some assume that griefers exist everywhere in the current open play mode and so they refuse to go there under any circumstances, some assume that the addition of an OPEN PVE mode would cause a sudden mass exodus of the current open play, yet others assume that private groups and solo are all you need if you want to PVE only...

There is a reasonable basis for claiming that some (not all but some) solo players would leave solo and join a sanctioned PVE only mode, just as the existence of the various large private groups for PVE players clearly shows a definite need for a better solution than the private groups function was designed for.

The reason mobius groups 1 and 2 are full is because they both have reached the hard capped capacity that is part of the private group system, those of us asking for an open PVE mode see it as a double effect in so far that by creating such a mode, the various fractured PVE only private groups will consolidate into the open PVE mode, and by doing so will take the strain off the private groups system which will mean there would be no need to further develop additional tools for managing large private groups...

 

[Littlerift]

Four log in options with dilute existing modes in particular open I imagine once people figure out they have can have all the benefits of player to player communication without the nasty downside of pvp combat.

Anyhow feel free to reply but i'm breaking my 15 hour old new years resolution to not participate in circular arguments/circle jerks so im gonna pass on replying further.

Im fairly certain though that frontier will probably add a pve mode as it seems more than willing to pander to certain sections of the wider player community (in this context the vocal minority on the forum).

Examples include:

The 3rd or so weapons 'balance' in a year yet no content added for explorers, mining is woeful in particular ice mining and anyone remember DB saying during the horizons live stream that content would be added for the alliance.
Allowing trolls to continue to disrupt the game with little or no consequence (See SDC for examples)
Avoiding like the plague the idea of a viable crime and punishment system incase they upset people.
No bacon decals.

Happy new year btw.

If Open PvP becomes a barren wasteland because people migrate to Open PvE then the community will be less fractured because suddenly a larger number of players will be playing in the same mode (as some Solo and Mobius players will likewise move to Open PvE).

 

[Roybe]

If Open PvP becomes a barren wasteland because people migrate to Open PvE then the community will be less fractured because suddenly a larger number of players will be playing in the same mode (as some Solo and Mobius players will likewise move to Open PvE).

Have some rep!

Open PvE would unify the PVE folks that are splintered into various groups and Solo....at least those that desire a large scale co-operative experience.