The Star Citizen Thread v5
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It's an interesting parallel (SC FM and the cognitive thing)
So, about that Dunning-Kruger effect… [haha]
It has a few points but too often descends into madness. I had to quit before the end after ten minutes of sheer fantasy about commanding hundreds of AI underlings and companions all of whom have detailed backstories and missions and then alien races welcoming you as their own etc - I'm not sure he has any idea how much development time all this could require and he was already not being overly fanatical and positive.
I think it's a bit of a plant.... set up to make some faint negatives then back off into la la land where the game will surely be amazing and all you've ever dreamed of because why not?
Don't say that, it's the part I look forward too the most
Landing on planets. That's the bit I'm waiting for. I could live without gameplay if there are sufficiently interesting and varied terrains to explore. Informal canyon races too, of course - one of my favourite relaxations while playing ED, and could be just as good in SC.
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Never settle for a lesser evil, go big or go home. (Make evil great again).
Vote Cthulhu 2020.
Sorry to pull this up without reading everything that came after... but according to Ben Perry they got More than just the source code to LY, they also got the full history of revisions (if I didn't read him incorrectly).
What that means (and why it's such a big deal) is that devs can look at every individual change Amazon did to bring the code base from 3.7 to 3.8, with comments as to why, and can see the end result. For a project that supposedly stalled in the effort to transition 3.7 to 3.8, that would truly be a godsend.
Now this absolutely means that the engine switch is not completed. The whole "we put 2 engineers on it, they did it in a couple days" thing.... any developer knew that wasn't possible. Ben suggested that work was about a) integrating LY into their source control, and b) possibly doing some cherry-picking of features that could be dropped into their live code base. They must still have a lot of work ahead of them, but it's the kind of work that can be done by a team without significant engine knowledge as long as you've got a couple of engine guys monitoring the progress, the performance, the overall stability of the transition. The biggest decisions will be when to throw out StarEngine custom code and replace it with LY/CE 3.8 code. Those decisions are coming, there will be things that Amazon did better than CIG in the same functions.
It will take longer to do this than to not do this (i.e., to consider their version of CE stable and not need to integrate any CE advances) but if upgrading to CE 3.8 was still planned, they saved themselves months of work.
All speculation of course, but speculation informed by many years of software dev.
Not quite.
CIG were using a CE core which they had modified and attached other modules to.
Similarly for Amazon and Lumberyard, except the changes were different.
Merging codebases is always going to be a problem, even when they are based off the same core. But merging is perhaps overstating things.
From what Chris Roberts said, the transition to Lumberyard involved attaching all of CIGs own modules that were attached to its core CE engine and attaching them to Lumveryards core CE engine. Then...CIG took changed modules from its own core CE engine and used them to overwrite the core modules in Amazons CE core. The end result is that CIG essentially switched licenses from CE to LY and gets access to use any of Lumberyards new features and netcode..
IF it can integrate them into its own engine. But for now, the reason the engine change went so smoothly is that it mostly hasn't changed at all.
Could be. But the reddit thread of the same title is full of SC fans who aren't so hopeful.
I really hope they do so it can all start coming together but I remain genuinely concerned once the feature nerf hammer starts falling to get updates out the already stretched player base might revolt. So many dreams have been nudged on and on up to 3.0 and if it doesn't satisfy them then that 2% retention rate might seem like halycon days
Indeed, if Frontier's offlinegate is any indication of how the denizens of the space sim community react to dropped features, then I think CIG will need to invest in ear plugs if features start falling over.
I'm still following this thread on the subreddit about switching to Lumberyard and this is a continuation from what was posted earlier, I like how asking a question or viewing a bit of scepticism instantly requires a passive-aggressive response and then for some odd reason Mr.Smart is dragged into it from nowhere.
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This seems like the most reasonable understanding.
As already mentioned the fun begins if/when CIG want to migrate to the next version and/or integrate Lumberyard functionality, especially where it clashes with the StarEngine updates.
Oooh... in that reddit is a link to a Roberts interview where he describes the Sq42 plot
Eeek. That's just terrible. I hope they don't have to rescript and reshoot.
ps. i should include this bit too
Eeek. That's just terrible. I hope they don't have to rescript and reshoot.
ps. i should include this bit too
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Stop it. It hurts. And demands Picard-facepalm images, which is never a good thing.
Does he not realise that his OS comparison directly defeats the argument he's trying to make? :S
This is a different person that's joined the convo.
I don't think he does realise or if he does, he is purposely trying to dumb down the differences between 3.7 and 3.8.
It's quite interesting reading this sort of logic especially when talking about 2 guys making patches for all these changes in just 1 day...
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Oooh... in that reddit is a link to a Roberts interview where he describes the Sq42 plot
Eeek. That's just terrible. I hope they don't have to rescript and reshoot.
ps. i should include this bit too
Oh, so in other words the initial plot of Squadron 42 is, as is the Chris Roberts MO, a shameless hack job of the novel Heart Of Darkness, which was the inspiration for Apocalypse Now, mixed in with a side of Battlestar Galactica (the original bad 1970's hackneyed sci-fi version at that, not the thoroughly improved updated version from a decade ago) and even with a hint of his own Wing Commander movie too....
It.
Will.
Be.
TERRIBLE!
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I didn't realise that this was supposed to be a bad thing? But then again I do get my kicks from deliberately rolling my SRV down cliffs. And none of those namby pamby options to alleviate VR sickness neither.
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