The Star Citizen Thread v5

[Agony_Aunt]

Guys, i can't put my mod hat on here, but have a care or you might summon one of the other mods.

While Space Dandy has a point, and comparisons with ED are inevitable, its best to stay clear of discussing ED in this thread unless its very pertinent.

ED has its development issues, there is no denying that, but there is a whole forum out there to discuss those things, and people do.

Let's focus on SC here.

 

[Jason S]

While there is a lot of logic in what is said hear and I agree with a lot that is said, it is still worth a note that the General Chat in SC forums is mostly of a positive nature.

When/if that turns then the doom and gloom will likely become real, until then SC still has a very real opportunity to continue its funding and develop a very good space game.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

While there is a lot of logic in what is said hear and I agree with a lot that is said, it is still worth a note that the General Chat in SC forums is mostly of a positive nature.

Of course, because everyone is just dreaming of what they think the game will be once released. Same with many game forums, ED's included.

Then the game gets released, and people start saying "What the game really needs now is X", and someone says, "No it doesn't" and someone says "Yes it does".... and from that day forward, the forums become more and more argumentative, because no matter what CIG promise, they will never please everyone.

Within a few months of release (or even earlier) we will see threads with the following themes:

Buff/Nerf X
Devs are incompetent
Why haven't devs done X
This game sucks
Carebears/Greifers are ruining the game
I'm a backer for a billion dollars and CIG should listen to me
We need more X
ED does X better than SC
Explorers - space is too small - there is nothing to discover
Fed up with walking everywhere, can we get a teleport

And many many more.

 

[Stigbob]

Ofc it isn't but that wasn't what I was talking about and I wasn't talking about you if that's what you think.

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See this is the kind of thing that I mean, I came here to talk about SC instead immediately found a couple people bashing some people talking about SC cause ED this and that but when we try and refute the comparison we are the ones somehow in the wrong?

This is about SC sure but if someone quotes us and goes on about ED we have every right to reply in kind cause lets face it they are both space games so are bound to be used in comparison same as they are both crowd funded game on top of it so again will be compared.

Also I dislike your insinuation that I came here to "whine" about ED. If there a rule we can't talk about ED in this thread then I expect no talk period of ED in it... be it positive as well as negative.

That's not true, you popped into the thread and immediately criticized ED in an inaccurate and disingenuous way and then went "WAAAH, I'm being picked on, not about ED, why are there ED fans in this forum" when the comparisons all showed SC in a bad light. This is not a new and original thing to say.

You like to encourage people to read threads from a few years ago, follow your own advice and read the first umpteen versions of this thread and you'll see how many times everything you've said has been said and disproved before.

 

[Yaffle]

I don't know why this is so difficult to grasp...

This thread, as in the one you are reading, the one called The Star Citizen Thread is about the game Star Citizen. See, the clue is in the title. It is about Star Citizen.

There is a whole forum here - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/29-Elite-Dangerous about Elite.

Now, using very small words - post about Star Citizen ONLY in here. Just Star Citizen. Star Citizen.

Got that?

In case you are still confused - Elite Dangerous IS NOT STAR CITIZEN and this isn't the place to discuss it.

Star Citizen in this thread; Elite Dangerous anywhere here - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/29-Elite-Dangerous

This thread is for Star Citizen.

Star Citizen.

 

[Jason S]

Of course, because everyone is just dreaming of what they think the game will be once released. Same with many game forums, ED's included.

Then the game gets released, and people start saying "What the game really needs now is X", and someone says, "No it doesn't" and someone says "Yes it does".... and from that day forward, the forums become more and more argumentative, because no matter what CIG promise, they will never please everyone.

Within a few months of release (or even earlier) we will see threads with the following themes:

Buff/Nerf X
Devs are incompetent
Why haven't devs done X
This game sucks
Carebears/Greifers are ruining the game
I'm a backer for a billion dollars and CIG should listen to me
We need more X
ED does X better than SC
Explorers - space is too small - there is nothing to discover
Fed up with walking everywhere, can we get a teleport

And many many more.

Soooooo true,
Perhaps CIG know this and hence part of the reason not to rush to release ....

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I know the writing was on the wall for VR in SC but to know its officially on the backburner now..... I am gutted. It was a stretch goal which hooked a lot of buyers back at a time when CIG didn't have mega millions. Looking at the design at its core one wonders if it was ever seriously on the cards or just a money spinning sales pitch.

The worst of it is, its Ben Parry who worked on Elite and who surely knows the effect VR had on the promotion of ED who dropped the news.

Was looking forward to SC, feeling deflated about it now, vr for me is as important in cockpit game as wheel in a racing sim

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Soooooo true,
Perhaps CIG know this and hence part of the reason not to rush to release ....

Of course they know it. They know that when any substantial release and first gameplay compromises are made money flow will drop considerably.

 

[MTBFritz]

Dunno I pre ordered SC and so far I like what I have played though I am waiting till its more complete to do more than testing. Guess what I am getting at is that perhaps it's good that some of us are able to throw cash in the hopes of getting a good game we will like...

I mean just imagine how ED may never have happened if some of us hadn't thrown money at Frontier "pre order" like even after Frontier didn't *gasp* do a whole bunch of what they were suppose to... like offline mode etc etc.

Something to think of before anyone ridicules others for hoping something good will come of it.

This thread really isnt about the concept of kickstarter or crowdfunding. Everybody should realize that without crowdfunding we wouldnt have access to sometimes genre breaking games. The ongoing discussion is about CiG NOT FULLFILLING its part and focusing on money making without releasing anything of return value except hot air and dreams. Worries on my part are that its an elaborate ponzi scheme by now with CR knowing he cant do it but still trying to rack in money by milking his backers since 2014.

If you want to compare the project to ED then just compare what each company released since they started. I guess you ll realize why CiG is getting a good and deserved ribbing.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

I will try to paste most of the info from the new Schedule Report.
2.6.1 OVERVIEW

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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/jo2qrmo6ll8cyr/source/261-High-Level-1.png

BUG PROGRESS

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Since the release of 2.6.0, we continued to make fixes for bugs in preparation for this 2.6.1 patch. Below is an overview of the kinds of issues that we have fixed since releasing Live:

• Crashes
  • Fixed crash in CEntityAttachment::OnAttach
  • Fixed crash in CParticleContainer::UpdateState()
  • Fixed crash with SZoneBBox:perator AABB_tpl< double >
  • Fixed crash due to missing elite archetypes
  • Fixed crash in StarCitizen!HUD::CSeatReticlesContextComponent::Enter()
  • Fixed crash in StarCitizen!CHomeScreenComponent::Enter()
  • Fixed crash in CTexture::InsertTextureArrayElement
  • Fixed crash in CPlayerStateItemUnstow::OnUpdate
  • Fixed crash in CEntityComponentLegacyUpdater::EnableEntityForUpdateImpl
  • Fixed a crash when launching a “Classic Race” without changing the map
  • Fixed crash in CThrusterManager::clampToGrid
  • Fixed crash in CZone::RefreshObjectsBBox_ZonePartition
  • Fixed crash in CCameraViewManager:opGroup

• Main Menu
  • Players in a party will now all be returned to the lobby
  • Players are now able to enter a game as a pure spectator
  • Fixed menu box becoming offset
  • Custom resolutions greater than 1920×1080 now function correctly

• Arena Commander / Crusader
  • Killed pirates in Pirate Swarm no longer appear twice in the feed
  • Best lap time was inconsistent across multiple players in Race mode
  • Fixed infinite load screen when entering Arena Commander as a spectator
  • Fixed an issue with players become stuck in place when picking up weapons at Security Post Kareah
  • Fixed an issue where ship retiles could persist on HUD death and respawn
  • Fixed the issue where players could spawn at Grim HEX with no crime stat
  • Fixed an issue where players would be prompted to press ‘X’ to respawn in Pirate Swarm and Vanduul Swarm when they are out of respawns
  • Shotgun in Security Post Kareah can no longer be picked up through the grating
  • Added a kill column to the scoreboard in the Swarm modes
  • Fixed an issue where players landing at Cry Astro pads would get locked into the mobiGlas menu
  • Fixed an issue where teams in Arena Commander where teams were awarded 600 points before the match had started

• Star Marine
  • Weapon sights now being correctly positioned after respawn
  • Control terminal now shows the correct screen when joining a game in progress
  • Revenge kill now resets on round end
  • Dead player was able to capture a control point
  • Thrown grenade impacts now have audio
  • Fixed issue where players could remain on a black screen when joining an Elimination game
  • Fixed Audio corruption during multiplayer matches
  • It is now possible to pick up weapons from killed players
  • Weapon tail audio now works correctly
  • Fixed an issue where vaulting into ZeroG broke MediPens and reloading
  • Fixed an issue where sections of Star Marine maps would flicker when using SLI graphics cards

• Ships
  • All Auroras can now equip a Size 2 missile rack
  • Fixed animations in the Caterpillar that could be interrupted
  • Fixed and issue with vehicle bodies falling through the floor when destroyed in gravity
  • Fixed an issue with incoming missile warning do not disappear from the HUD
  • Adjusted fuel consumption rates
  • Adjusted weapon health
  • Further adjustments to ship speeds
  • Maximum Afterburn is now allowed on all ship axis

• Network
  • Fixed various issues with the GIM
  • Various fixes to improve overall network stability

• Cameras
  • Added “Pure Spectator Mode” which allows users to spectate a game rather than participate in it
  • Added persistent save/load of cameras between game sessions and the 1st person spectator mode
  • Fixed issue where the player could see their character without a head through the helmet when in 3rd person view
  • Fixed an issue where killed players distort when viewed in spectator mode

• Misc
  • Improvements to various ship and environment LODs within the game
  • Missile POV camera now deactivates when releasing the missile fire button (Middle Mouse)
  • Improvements to atmospheric audio throughout the game and certain spot SFX in Crusader
  • General fixes to reduce log spam

Here’s the current list of bugs and changes that are considered a priority to fix before releasing 2.6.1:

• Crashes
  • GPU crashes and hangs

• Networking
  • Client disconnects (code 7, 8, and 0)
  • Memory leaks and corruption
  • Desynchronization

• Arena Commander
  • Missiles not inheriting velocity from ships
  • Missiles travelling erratically

STAR MARINE

Spoiler

WEAPON BALANCE

• We are adjusting the damage output of the shotgun and the sniper rifle, which both feel to be lacking the punch we would like from these weapons
• Balancing for 2.6.1 is Complete pending further feedback

MAP IMPROVEMENTS

• We are making some adjustments to the maps in order to make the map layout more balanced between the teams
• Artwork for these updates is now complete
• Design have placed props to populate the changed areas
• UI Art have created propaganda posters to be placed around the level to add more to the feel of the environment
• ETA is TODAY

DIALOGUE LINE IMPROVEMENTS

• Work for this is now Complete

SHIP BALANCE / IMPROVEMENTS

Spoiler

REVIEW OF SHIP SPEEDS

• After seeing feedback from 2.6.0 we feel that further changes need to be made to the speeds of ships in SCM to create a wider spread that is in line with the ship role.
• Complete
  • More tuning may be needed after internal testing

FUEL CONSUMPTION TWEAKS

• An extension of the above. This is intended to make fuel more of an expendable commodity that has to be managed.
• Complete
  • More tuning may be needed after internal testing

WEAPON AND MOUNT HEALTH BALANCE

• After reviewing feedback, we’ve found that weapons and their mounts can be too easily destroyed with splash damage. We are increasing the health of both components to combat this.
• Complete

WEAPON PROJECTILE SPEED BALANCE

• We’ve found that weapon projectiles have a varied speed across the game, which makes aiming with certain weapon setups in flight a challenge due to the position of the lag pips. Adjusting projectile speeds should bring these pips closer together in more setups to reduce the current extreme offsets we’re seeing.
• Initial pass Complete
  • More tuning may be needed after internal testing

ALLOW MAX AFTERBURN ON ALL AXIS

• Allowing the ability to reach maximum afterburn speeds on all ship axis when strafing, but at a reduced acceleration rate on any other axis than Y (straight ahead) as regular maneuvering thrusters don’t have the power to reach those speeds at the same rate,
• Complete

NETWORK

Spoiler

SERIALIZED VARIABLE

• Originally moved out of the 2.6.0 goals due to the time required to complete this.
• Work for this is now Complete
  • This is now in testing with QA and may require more time for bugfixing

MESSAGE ORDERING

• Originally moved out of the 2.6.0 goals due to the time required to complete this.
• Work for this is now Complete
  • This is now in testing with QA and may require more time for bugfixing

MEGA MAP (SINGLEPLAYER)

• Originally moved out of the 2.6.0 goals due to the time required to complete this.
• Tests on this feature in our Development branch have been promising, so we are aiming to release the singleplayer aspect of the Mega Map with 2.6.1
• Work for this is now Complete
  • This is now in testing with QA and may require more time for bugfixing

MULTI REGION SERVERS

• This will allow players to select which region they wish to connect to for Arena Commander and Star Marine matches, and also the PU
• Server regions now supported are:
  • North America
  • Europe
  • Australia
• Work for this is now Complete
  • This is now under heavy testing with QA and the Backend Services team

UI

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BUG FIXING

• Since 2.6.0 went Live, we’ve identified a number of issues with the new main menu, and also other bugs with the UI in general that we would want to fix for 2.6.1. This bugfixing is where the bulk of the time is going to be spent for the UI team
• ETA is 9th February

IN-GAME LEADERBOARDS

• Work for this is Complete
• In testing with QA

IN-GAME LOADOUT CUSTOMISATION

• Work for this is Complete
• In testing with QA

GRENADE INDICATOR

• Adding an indicator to visually mark the position if thrown grenades.
• Delayed due to higher priority bugfixing
• ETA is 7th February (was 3rd February)

CONTENT

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SUPER HORNET UPDATE

• Work for this is now Complete
• In testing with QA

Source:https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report

Later will post the TLDR of "The Happy Hour"

For those wanting a catch-up back on page 2290: Rolan: our roving SC fact reporter and all-round good bloke posted up a decent summary of the state of 2.6.1

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

For those wanting a catch-up back on page 2290: Rolan: our roving SC fact reporter and all-round good bloke posted up a decent summary of the state of 2.6.1

All hail to Rolan.

I suspect 2 week delay on 2.6.1, but we will see about that. No big surprise though.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

The ongoing discussion is about CiG NOT FULLFILLING its part and focusing on money making without releasing anything of return value except hot air and dreams.

Just going to pull you up here.

This thread is for all things related to SC, not just bashing CIG. Even if it is the primary theme around here.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Just going to pull you up here.

This thread is for all things related to SC, not just bashing CIG. Even if it is the primary theme around here.

It's primary theme because we have nothing else to go on on facts.

Trust me I would better read what kind of real economy system CIG might cook up for SC 3.0 Alpha. Because that's always interests me in such games like this.

But they don't even share those details, despite they should have been nailed down ages ago.

 

[GaryII]

But they don't even share those details, despite they should have been nailed down ages ago.

I doubt, we will get any gameplay details anytime soon...since 3.0 looks like is NOT coming out anytime soon...I guess at 2017 Q4...

btw their video shows quality are totally going downhill, this one was hard to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q52nm5Sn1sk&t

No surprise its has a lot of dislikes...other one "Happy Hour" is also not a fan favorite...

 

[ianw]

Of course, because everyone is just dreaming of what they think the game will be once released. Same with many game forums, ED's included.

Then the game gets released, and people start saying "What the game really needs now is X", and someone says, "No it doesn't" and someone says "Yes it does".... and from that day forward, the forums become more and more argumentative, because no matter what CIG promise, they will never please everyone.

Within a few months of release (or even earlier) we will see threads with the following themes:

Buff/Nerf X
Devs are incompetent
Why haven't devs done X
This game sucks
Carebears/Greifers are ruining the game
I'm a backer for a billion dollars and CIG should listen to me
We need more X
ED does X better than SC
Explorers - space is too small - there is nothing to discover
Fed up with walking everywhere, can we get a teleport

And many many more.

You forgot;

I have full LTI - why is my replacement ship taking so long to be delivered?!

 

[Tuub t Tute]

You forgot;

I have full LTI - why is my replacement ship taking so long to be delivered?!

Or "Can I pay more to speed up my LTI rebuild, I've been ganked 8 times today and now I have to wait a week to get my Idris back :/"

 

[MTBFritz]

Just going to pull you up here.

This thread is for all things related to SC, not just bashing CIG. Even if it is the primary theme around here.

Not saying it isnt, I just said what you underlined that most points being brought up are based on my claim. Delays, changes, more stuff not originally intended, "forgetting" past promises etc.

And personally I dont see this thread being here for "bashing" SC as you say. Its just that under neutral conditions (everybody has the same rights here) SC somehow comes out at the very bottom which is openly stated. bashing SC is a logical consequence when there is so much to bash em for. We could talk more about the stuff CiG dreams up but regarding their track record so far and missing features from years ago it remains dreams and theory crafting.

I d like to focus on facts, the few which are available and under that light SC shines in a dirty light. I dont bash SC for bashings sake you know.

 

[Frank]

I know the writing was on the wall for VR in SC but to know its officially on the backburner now..... I am gutted. It was a stretch goal which hooked a lot of buyers back at a time when CIG didn't have mega millions. Looking at the design at its core one wonders if it was ever seriously on the cards or just a money spinning sales pitch.

The worst of it is, its Ben Parry who worked on Elite and who surely knows the effect VR had on the promotion of ED who dropped the news.

Was looking forward to SC, feeling deflated about it now, vr for me is as important in cockpit game as wheel in a racing sim

It could well be that the reason why it was Ben Parry that mentioned bad news about VR was because he is well aware of the importance that it will have in cockpit sims.

Star Citizen was announced half a decade ago. It's starting to look very outdated even before it's released.

 

[MTBFritz]

It could well be that the reason why it was Ben Parry that mentioned bad news about VR was because he is well aware of the importance that it will have in cockpit sims.

Star Citizen was announced half a decade ago. It's starting to look very outdated even before it's released.

Its backwards game developing for sure. It was said and established at the very start that CiG would have to pour in much more work and effort in order to keep polishing content and assets which in the meantime proved itself time and time again.

Why this fact needed to be "tested" or "given a chance" is beyond me anyway. History has shown that this is the worst possible way to make a game. There was no need to "give it another try". Everybody who creates games for a living or follows game developing should see the risk and danger in doing so. Maybe I was blinded as the rest of the people when SC was announced and I was hoping that CR had some kind of "masterplan" which would enable them to tackle said problems in a never-before-seen way and overcoming them. Sadly it became appearant pretty soon that this is not the case and CR in a naive way started with the part of game developing which would generate the most hype and cash-inflow. That happend to be something which usually happens at the END of a game development cycle. Another reason to assume that the game never really was the focus of CR and delivering anything that is Star Citizen didnt really have a chance even at the start.

Star Citizen has tried to catch up to CRs claimes and promises since it started and so far hasnt really caught up the mark and is currently way behind expectations.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I doubt, we will get any gameplay details anytime soon...since 3.0 looks like is NOT coming out anytime soon...I guess at 2017 Q4...

btw their video shows quality are totally going downhill, this one was hard to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q52nm5Sn1sk&t

No surprise its has a lot of dislikes...other one "Happy Hour" is also not a fan favorite...

Sound levels were bad.

Also, why are Lesnicks fingers permanently stuck pointing? :O