The Star Citizen Thread v5

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I'm not someone who believes you're entitled to a refund in the first place. Consumers (in any market, not just SC) are given refunds far more often than they should, in my opinion.

If you're not happy with a product or the product changing design/scope/not existing when it said it would, then the consumer has every right to request and expect a refund.

Companies/business' that do not allow the possibility of refunds are companies that don't last very long. (Unless it's Scientology of course)
 
If you're not happy with a product or the product changing design/scope/not existing when it said it would, then the consumer has every right to request and expect a refund.

Companies/business' that do not allow the possibility of refunds are companies that don't last very long. (Unless it's Scientology of course)

Don't get sucked in: he's avoiding answering your question, instead answering one you didn't ask
 
If you're not happy with a product or the product changing design/scope/not existing when it said it would, then the consumer has every right to request and expect a refund.

Companies/business' that do not allow the possibility of refunds are companies that don't last very long. (Unless it's Scientology of course)

Perhaps you're looking for this forum, where scientology is up for discussion.
 

Naw. I've gotten a partial refund for a creative cloud subscription then re-upped the following year with no problem or deleted account. They aren't vindictive about it nor have they been revealed to brand customers as "special snowflakes" like CIG has done. It's a business selling a product, not a dream.

It's great that you don't believe in refunds and don't think customers are entitled to them, but you'll probably need to convince many governments to agree with you before that's considered normal.

Ah, the wonderful world of Stockholm Citizen!
 
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Perhaps you're looking for this forum, where scientology is up for discussion.

We're not talking about scientology, we're talking about Star Citizen. Some are noting however, that Star Citizen has certain similarities to scientology, which is on-topic to Star Citizen

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Naw. I've gotten a partial refund for a creative cloud subscription than re-upped the following year with no problem or deleted account.

I guess technically that doesn't count because CIG is too incompetent to process partial refunds
 
It's going to get progressively worse (e.g. see the latest Valentine's Day sales metrics. A sale which, hilariously, is going to be live until Feb 28th) because most of the early whales are gone, the funding chart doesn't take refunds into account, the game is getting killed (evidenced by the utter failure that is the current free fly) in gaming circles where it's the laughing stock now.

And to top it off, aside from the hardcore who are firmly stuck in Sunk Cost Fallacy and who grudgingly admit (by continuing to give CIG/RSI money) that without their on-going funding the whole Ponzi scheme will collapse, there is no more financial growth. And 2017 has only just started. There is absolutely nothing - nothing - that they can do with this project now to regain any backer's confidence. So, like all those F2P games which rely on 5 whales to pay for a 1000 freeloaders, the project is now in that realm whereby a handful of whales are responsible for propping it up. Problem is, with all these studios and all these people - and a game that's not even 15% completed yet, there is simply no way that this project survives to the release of a completed Star Citizen or SQ42.

The question I've been wondering about is how much of the money has effectively been channeled out of the project.

Did they honestly burn through all of it, leaving the management with nothing but what they have saved from their salaries? Even 10% of the total funding would be a lot of money for a handful of people to share between themselves.
 
For that you'd need one company that actually owns the IP, one company to license it, and one company to broker between the two at a reasonable industry-standard fee per-transaction :D
 
The question I've been wondering about is how much of the money has effectively been channeled out of the project.

Did they honestly burn through all of it, leaving the management with nothing but what they have saved from their salaries? Even 10% of the total funding would be a lot of money for a handful of people to share between themselves.

What makes you think money would have been channelled out of the project? And why would CIG be in financial trouble? :rolleyes:
 
No, they just cancel the service you just bought as one would expect and, in the case of CC, move you back to the free membership.

You don't retain your full CC account, with access to all the cool toys, do you? Don't think so.

You also retain the documents you created, but Adobe doesn't give you a freebie option to continue editing your Premiere comps.

We're sort of splitting hairs on a point here. If you believe cancelling your CIG account is going to "cost" you the value of your grey market ships, the solution is simple: sell them before you cancel. I believe GM ships aren't quite TOS to begin with, so the problem (as already stated) is on that the player created on their own.
 
You don't retain your full CC account, with access to all the cool toys, do you? Don't think so.

You also retain the documents you created, but Adobe doesn't give you a freebie option to continue editing your Premiere comps.

We're sort of splitting hairs on a point here. If you believe cancelling your CIG account is going to "cost" you the value of your grey market ships, the solution is simple: sell them before you cancel. I believe GM ships aren't quite TOS to begin with, so the problem (as already stated) is on that the player created on their own.

Haha, so Adobe wasn't really a good comparison at all. Hey I can think of another example: scientology!
 
What's stopping you from getting a new SC account in a year, if you cancelled/refunded last week?

Why would you need to create a new account when you've already have one? Why should the old one be cancelled or, worse, deleted?

You don't retain your full CC account, with access to all the cool toys, do you?

I retain my account, which is the whole point. I don't retain the full CC service for the very obvious reason that I'm not paying for that service. And if I refund something else, nothing (still) happens to my account nor to the full CC service. So it's nothing like what CIG is doing, and definitely not for such a strange reason CIG is doing it.
 
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Perhaps you're looking for this forum, where scientology is up for discussion.

I don't think the very last 5 words, which were bracketted to show they were off tangent and only situationally related, of my SC related text are grounds to suggest discussing a completely different obvious scam in another thread.

Adobe doesn't count as far as I'm concerned, I got a refund of a Photoshop license that was purchased by my company in error just last year. (Already had a fully licensed version and a mistake was made by our web guy). They were very good about it and it was taken care of in a few hours without suddenly becoming a leaver, doubter, naysayer, snowflake or any other term similar to how CIG and it's 'fans' describe refundees and they also allowed my company to keep the license and software we had already aquired. :)

CIG are just salty when someone isn't happy with their 'great works' and punishes the unhappy customer for having doubts about the used car salesmans ability to create an up to date modern piece of gaming software with a futuristic setting that actually works and has such complex things as 'avatars' and 'vehicles' while not dumping the user to desktop everytime they touch a wall at an oblique angle with their nipplejets engaged. :D
 
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CIG are just salty when someone isn't happy with their 'great works' and punishes the unhappy customer for having doubts about the used car salesmans ability to create an up to date modern piece of gaming software with a futuristic setting that actually works and has such complex things as 'avatars' and 'vehicles' while not dumping the user to desktop everytime they touch a wall at an oblique angle with their nipplejets engaged. :D

There's also the added benefit (for them) that, should the same person want to buy back in, they have to further pad that already massively inflated PR number that CIG likes to trot out in their marketing. In fact, the poor sap probably has to pad both PR numbers — win-win (for CIG).
 
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