The Star Citizen Thread v5

[jmg]

So… next to nowhere, with the same embarrassing errors still skulking around, and core foundational gameplay still completely undefined? [haha]

yeesh, I gotta stop typing on my phone.. I barely understood my last post myself.

I wouldn't refer to the glitches as "embarrassing" errors.. I'm not embarrassed when I get the occasional glitch, but then again, like much of the areas we cover in this thread, it's very subjective, so I won't fight you on it. it's a big universe, and except for vanduul space, it's a free universe, so you can feel embarrassed an no one will knock you. The bottom line is that we have cool game with a decent vertical slice, with PVP, multicrew ships, and arcade play, if you're into that, that we didn't have years ago.. I like it, and I can't wait to see more in 2017!!!


The only thing I'm embarrassed about is that instead of going for the $165 hurricane today, I went for the $320 hurricane/terrapin package... I'll have to get some roses to smooth that over with my wife

 

[Viajero]

Hope you realize many of the last couple of years ships sold as concepts wont be in the game at release? (whenever that ends up happening)

 

[Asylum]

yeesh, I gotta stop typing on my phone.. I barely understood my last post myself.

I wouldn't refer to the glitches as "embarrassing" errors.. I'm not embarrassed when I get the occasional glitch, but then again, like much of the areas we cover in this thread, it's very subjective, so I won't fight you on it. it's a big universe, and except for vanduul space, it's a free universe, so you can feel embarrassed an no one will knock you. The bottom line is that we have cool game with a decent vertical slice, with PVP, multicrew ships, and arcade play, if you're into that, that we didn't have years ago.. I like it, and I can't wait to see more in 2017!!!


The only thing I'm embarrassed about is that instead of going for the $165 hurricane today, I went for the $320 hurricane/terrapin package... I'll have to get some roses to smooth that over with my wife

Are you bragging about your purchase? This is like he 5th time you've mentioned it.

I'm stoked you're excited about it, but the second time was enough.

Thanks

 

[Tippis]

I wouldn't refer to the glitches as "embarrassing" errors.

I would, especially when they persist year in and year out. Same with the spelling errors — they just scream nonchalance and incompetence, and even outright disregard and disrespect for the customer when it keeps appearing in PR material.

Oh, and the game isn't even remotely near vertical slice status — it simply lacks far too many fundamental features and mechanics to even begin to approach that state.

it's a big universe, and except for vanduul space

It really isn't, and there is no Vanduul space. There's not even a single star system yet, which makes it one of the tiniest “space” games I've ever come across. Hell, even their failed attempts at number-bragging (failed, because they can't even get the unit right — another embarrassing show of incompetence) ends up revealing that their “universe” is far smaller than even something as simplistic as KSP.

The only thing I'm embarrassed about is that instead of going for the $165 hurricane today, I went for the $320 hurricane/terrapin package.

That makes sense. Wasting money on something you can get for free, where you don't even know what you'll get in the end (if anything at all) is really a decision that most people would regret and try to brush under the carpet. Don't worry, though, the procedures for getting a refund are well tried and tested, so there's no reason why you should stay embarrassed for long.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Interestingly - SC absolutely refuses to work with my 4k TV - as in it won't display anything.

Launcher - blip - blank screen - endless wait.

Everything else I've thrown at it works just fine - although for some unknown reason it keeps resetting out of PC 60Hz mode back to horrid 30Hz nastiness after every standby.

 

[jmg]

Hope you realize many of the last couple of years ships sold as concepts wont be in the game at release? (whenever that ends up happening)

depends on what you mean by release... if you mean beta, yes, I get it... many of the ships are not going to be avialalbe at beta, whenever that happens (TM).
full commercial release, that's probably too far out to make any predictions... we may have all evolved to a energy-like beings by then, and I'll REALLY be annoyed that I spent all this money on the game

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Interestingly - SC absolutely refuses to work with my 4k TV - as in it won't display anything.

Launcher - blip - blank screen - endless wait.

Everything else I've thrown at it works just fine - although for some unknown reason it keeps resetting out of PC 60Hz mode back to horrid 30Hz nastiness after every standby.

delete the user folder. Works every time. There's alsk a user.cfg floating around (very easy to find with google) .. I can send it to you.
I'm running 2x Titan (pascals) in srround over 3 27" 4k monitors, and it runs fine.. very much more stable in with the 2.6.1 release.
If you're running SLI, there are a few tweaks I can offer for the .cfg file that can help as well.

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I would, especially when they persist year in and year out. Same with the spelling errors —

that's what's great about our countrie(s). We can disagree. You think it's embarrassing, I don't, and we can each go our merry way without trying to impose our point of view on the other.
Spelling errors do irk me, writing is a big part of what I do... I won't say it's embarrassing. I do plan to send an email to concierge to ask them to fix it, see how far that gets. If you see any other spelling errors, let me know and I'll include it in my email -- we all want a better game.

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That makes sense. Wasting money on something you can get for free, where you don't even know what you'll get in the end (if anything at all) is really a decision that most people would regret and try to brush under the carpet. Don't worry, though, the procedures for getting a refund are well tried and tested, so there's no reason why you should stay embarrassed for long.

NAh... appreciate the advice, but roses will take care of it. I've been a backer on many ships since late 2014, and I haven't returned one yet, or regretted it. I actually had no idea you *could* return them, since my understanding was that the money was a pledge.. a donation if you will, where you got a free gift (like donating to PBS and getting a crappy tote bag). I'm happy knowing I'm backing a game I enjoy, and will hopefully go commercial before my grandkids pay off their mortgage.

 

[Viajero]

I was referring to actual release. And it was not a prediction but a CIG statement. Not all ships sold as concepts after around the Endeavour will be at release.

I personally can't see much point in buying something that may not be at release, such as this Hurricane, and that by the time it is, post release, I may already have the in game credits to buy without paying a single dollar more.

 

[Cmdr Cheese Wedge]

yeesh, I gotta stop typing on my phone.. I barely understood my last post myself.

I wouldn't refer to the glitches as "embarrassing" errors.. I'm not embarrassed when I get the occasional glitch, but then again, like much of the areas we cover in this thread, it's very subjective, so I won't fight you on it. it's a big universe, and except for vanduul space, it's a free universe, so you can feel embarrassed an no one will knock you. The bottom line is that we have cool game with a decent vertical slice, with PVP, multicrew ships, and arcade play, if you're into that, that we didn't have years ago.. I like it, and I can't wait to see more in 2017!!!


The only thing I'm embarrassed about is that instead of going for the $165 hurricane today, I went for the $320 hurricane/terrapin package... I'll have to get some roses to smooth that over with my wife

Get a refund, take your wife on a holiday.
You both win.

 

[Tippis]

depends on what you mean by release.

Release means release. And they've been pretty clear that a lot of what they've promised won't be in that release.

Spelling errors do irk me, writing is a big part of what I do... I won't say it's embarrassing. I do plan to send an email to concierge to ask them to fix it, see how far that gets.

It gets nowhere. Again, these errors have been around for years. People have been pointing them out for years. That's what makes it embarrassing for anyone who wants to project any kind of image of professionality.

NAh... appreciate the advice, but roses will take care of it. I've been a backer on many ships since late 2014, and I haven't returned one yet, or regretted it. I actually had no idea you *could* return them, since my understanding was that the money was a pledge.. a donation, where you got a free gift (like donating to PBS and getting a crappy tote bag).

They're not donations — they're purchases, which is why you're being charged VAT.

They're also not pledges — a pledge is what you hand over to a pawn shop as security for a loan. If anything, what CIG hands over to you would be the pledge, to ensure that if they don't pay your money back, you can now sell the goods in your possession… except, of course, that CIG never gives you possession of anything, and definitely not anything that actually corresponds to the amount they borrow from you.

And no, roses won't make it any less silly to purchase something that is free and that you don't even know what it is yet or if you'll even ever get it.

 

[jmg]

I was referring to actual release. And it was not a prediction but a CIG statement. Not all ships sold as concepts after around the Endeavour will be at release.

I personally can't see much point in buying something that may not be at release and that by the time it is I may already have the in game credits to buy without paying a single dollar more.

well, like everyone is pointing out repeatedly in this thread, not everything CR has stated has come to fruition, whether to changing goals or higher than anticipated sales, etc. Given the extended production cycle they're seeing now, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot more ships than originally anticipated at commercial release .. but I also woudln't be surprised if we didn't. But, I pledged with my eyes open, so, whichever way it goes, it goes.

I'd just be happy to see a commercial release before I'm in a nursing home

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And no, roses won't make it any less silly to purchase something that is free and that you don't even know what it is yet.

We spend money on things that are free all the time my friend --- you a bottled water drinker? But, regardless, I don't agree that applies here.. I'm donating money to CIG. In return, I get a better game on a faster time schedule. and a cool ship that I get to fly whenever it's ultimately released. building a quality game ain't free bud!!


As for the roses.. that is your opinion, and you are without doubt entitled to it. But my wife here DEFINITELY disagrees with you

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Get a refund, take your wife on a holiday.
You both win.

I'm fine with the ship, and we're going to spain and portugal for three weeks in May. She loves the roses, and I get a cool ship, AND we get a holiday. so win-win-win I say!

 

[McGlashan]

I was referring to actual release. And it was not a prediction but a CIG statement. Not all ships sold as concepts after around the Endeavour will be at release.

Of course that depends on "release" happening in less time than it would take to squeeze all of those concepts through the pipeline, and assuming they don't hold them back artificially. But they're not exactly pumping (finished) ships out with tremendous efficiency, so I suppose it could go either way.

 

[Tippis]

We spend money on things that are free all the time my friend --- you a bottled water drinker?

Water isn't free.

But, regardless, I don't agree that applies here.

Doesn't matter. Those are just the facts, and if you think otherwise, you're definitely not going into this with your eyes open. You're making a purchase. Mislabelling it as a donation or a pledge does not suddenly turn your purchase into either of those, because they are very different things that do not correspond to the transaction you're making.

All you're getting for your money is a weak promise that you might at some point be allowed the use of a virtual good (that you'd be able to use without spending that money), if they can ever be bothered to actually make it. What you're not getting in return is speed or quality, as the ever increasing delays and persistent errors amply demonstrate.

building a quality game ain't free bud!!

No, but it can be very very cheap. And the correlation between cost and quality is somewhere in the region of nil.

 

[jmg]

Of course that depends on "release" happening in less time than it would take to squeeze all of those concepts through the pipeline, and assuming they don't hold them back artificially. But they're not exactly pumping (finished) ships out with tremendous efficiency, so I suppose it could go either way.

I agree.

 

[Viajero]

All the changes to the playable content so far have been in the form of delays or cancellation. Never acceleration. If you apply that behaviour to ships released the odds of Chris surprising you with the opposite are very slim. Chances are much higher you will only see the Hurricane by the time you have enough credits in game to buy it without needing any real money now for it.

But that is just by the by. Adding insult to injury the confirmation about the missing ships at launch comes direct from CIG.

 

[jmg]

All the changes to the playable content so far have been in the form of delays ir cancellation. If you apply that behaviour to ships released the odds of Chris surprising you with the opposite are very slim. Chances are much higher you will only see the Hurricane by the time you lo have enough credits in game to buy it without needed any real money.

I would agree that the smart odds are on delay... but, one can always hope.
The hurricane write up specifically states that since it's based on the other anvile ships (super hornet and gladiator), for that specific ship they expect to release "later in the year." I don't doubt other ships will take longer, and I'll believe the hurricane release whenI see it.

 

[tooterfish]

building a quality game ain't free bud!!

Building a terrible one isn't either...

 

[MTBFritz]

uh, wait... you're serious? You're actually still giving that guy money?

leading by example mate, leading by example

Oh my, that disclaimer…

Its like they KNOW it looks like a turd and combine their 5year-old design with begging in order to get money. If thats not desperate

They seem to be sneaking it in very slowly as Spectrum (that name…) becomes the “one platform that does it all”, the latest being that they disabled the ability to create new threads. In time, the old forums will be archived, and Spectrum becomes its replacement.

I checked just now because of Snarfs comment and indeed there are new threads popping up, one of the latest ones (of course) related to the Hurricane Sale. I remember that report about limitations very well tho and I dont know if it just concerns certain sub-forums or if only a select few backers are allowed to post. Maybe a trusted source with RiS forum access can check that?

Release means release. And they've been pretty clear that a lot of what they've promised won't be in that release.

Keyword "MVP".



About the Hurricane design. Its a tiny ship bristling with cannons to the point where it appears to be a super-deformed ship with oversized guns instead of heads. The design itself is bland and absolutely boring / lazy. Compared to their older designs this one didnt get any creativity love at all. Plus its not needed....like...at all. The SC universe has fighters in all shapes and sizes and the described role as a heavy attack fighter is also claimed by a few other ships already. Which look better anyway but their problem is.....people own them already I guess so in order to generate more scam-money they need to dangle a new carrot. I hope only the dumbest donkeys will go for that tasty morsel but it seems "taste" is one of the traits that you lose first when you go into the sc-hole heads-first

Will the Hurricane make an appearance in pre-alpha btw or is it another MVP-excluded item that will come sometimes after release? I d love to see ingame footage about the tiny dwarf flitting around like a fly handing it to the big guys. Realistic game design live

 

[Cmdr-Wotherspoon]

I'd just be happy to see a commercial release before I'm in a nursing home

That's what we're all hoping for, but those of us that are getting on a bit might be unlucky. To be honest, I'd settle for a moderately playable Squadron 42 if the PU is too ambitious for CIG to deliver.

 

[Gnorok]

I'd just be happy to see a commercial release before I'm in a nursing home

That's what we're all hoping for, but those of us that are getting on a bit might be unlucky. To be honest, I'd settle for a moderately playable Squadron 42 if the PU is too ambitious for CIG to deliver.

I will strictly refuse going to a nursing home that hasn´t internet access and a high quality game rig in every room

Concerning MVP and concept ships: I´m quite optimistic that all the ships we have seen so far will be in game when/if the game launches. Unfortunately that optimism is based on my pessimism about the release date [blah]

 

[Dooguk]

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"I think CR expanded the scope of the PU and made Squadron 42 a seperate game so he could build his company up to where he wanted it to be. Now that he got his AAA game company for free, I expect things to be developed a lot faster in 2017 and beyond. But, will see.

In the end, I'm almost as excited to maybe read a book about how he was able to accomplish building a multimillion dollar company solely on backer pledges than I am about the game."


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