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Roberts has always said that the schedule we get to see is the internal schedule (for unparalleled open development lol), so they either don't have an internal schedule yet or the schedule we get to see is not the internal one at all.

:eek:

I think there is the internal schedule as in internal to the company.

And then there's the internal schedule in CR's head which is more akin to some sort of hallucination/acid trip.
 
Oh wow. So not even a teeny tiny schedule for 2.6.2? At a loss for words really. I seriously hope the community starts to wake up.

Everyone with the sense to recognize another missed date followed by a random collection of buzzwords as a red flag probably got off the hype train already.
 

dsmart

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Well, like I said, we're all entitled to our opinion. I'm not entirely sure about your legal analysis is correct though... you've researched every jurisdiction in the U.S. on the issue? bravo.. I've been a lawyer for almost 20 years, and I could never have done it that quickly!! I can't speak to Brit law, so if that's what you're referring to, I'll defer to you on that.

Well that's new (it's also probably false, but I digress); the vocal backers tend to have varying professions (all unsubstantiated, but that one "FBI" guy, was hilarious while it lasted), but this is the first time one claims to be a lawyer* (of 20 years no less). Your writing doesn't seem to indicate someone with a working knowledge of English (I always thought you were German or something), let alone broad enough to pass the Bar exam. You were joking though, right? It's hard to tell these days. If you weren't joking, what area of law do you practice, and in what State?

* I checked to see if you were Ortwin; as that would put this post within the Star Citizen discussion context :D
 
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dsmart

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Roberts has always said that the schedule we get to see is the internal schedule (for unparalleled open development lol), so they either don't have an internal schedule yet or the schedule we get to see is not the internal one at all.

:eek:

They do have an internal schedule. Thing is, if they share it, panic would ensue. It's something that sources talk about all the time. So what they do is cull the "near term"* items, then make that public. Which is why they haven't yet put up the 2.6.2 schedule, let alone the 3.0 or even SQ42.

* and they only started doing this with 2.6.0 due to backlash from the CitizenCon "demo", 3.0 not being released etc. It was to be a false sense of security for the backers. Despite the fact that - as far back as 2013 - they were giving out dates and schedules, while missing all of them. That was back when croberts had promised to give monthly schedules. Then he didn't. Like how Star Marine showed up, unexpectedly after being canned, in order to show 2016 progress; the latest schedule fiasco is kinda like that.
 
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You are right that masculinity plays a huge role in the whole story. It is a social dynamic, not a genetic program , though.

It is a conflict between men and different masculinities on all sides. SC is a western, white, male fantasy where you can act out your scifi-dudeness with heavy gear, nice looking ships and big guns. The gameplay is all about stereotypically male dominated activities etc. The devs are mostly men too, especially the top-guys who are in charge while Sandi Gardiner (the only woman in this project in a higher position) is kind of the attractive hostess presenting the game in public. It is a very stereotypical, male-dominated world where dudes rule and women play no important roles at all (which is even mirrored by the fact that there is no female avatar).

On the other side you have groups like the goons and guys like dr. derek smart. The critics of SC seem to be heavily male dominated too. The whole conflict is a conflict between men. In these cases it is quite typical that 'male honor' comes into play, nobody wants to be the fool and lose their face, but especially in this setting where the ideological groundwork idealizes strong, committed men, it is impossible for many of these guys on either side to admit that they were wrong, or that they don't know (so all sides come up with vague explanations that carry no information besides confirming the position of the speaker). So you have these endless, toxic fights in online-forums that don't produce anything constructive, instead the focus is on degrading the male opponent and leaving the battlefield as the triumphant hero.

A touch over the top, but delicious and not without merit. I'd rep you if I could.
 
Disco Lando | CIG@DiscoLando-CIG10:58 pm said:
Basically production has to cull all the relevant data, go through IC reports, see what worked, what didn't, what still needs fixing, make priorities

That stuff isn't some sort of post-process which should only happen when it's time to deliver a sanitised version of the schedule to the commiunity, it's basically the very definition of "production", and the stuff which producers ought to be doing day-to-day as part of their jobs.
 
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Viajero

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Interpretations vary, but people on r/starcitizen generally think it's a bogus excuse: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5w27pe/about_262_production_schedule/

LOL, from that thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5w27pe/about_262_production_schedule/de6ysfj/

"I see that we have evolved from getting the content/patches delayed at the last possible moment to getting the schedule with the stuff that will get delayed at the last possible moment delayed at the last possible moment
Luckily the sales are still on time."
 
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dayrth

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What does it matter what CIG does?
People still give them ridiculous amounts of money so they'll continue doing whatever they want.
 

Viajero

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What does it matter what CIG does?
People still give them ridiculous amounts of money so they'll continue doing whatever they want.

I honestly dont know what amounts people give them. There is no way to tell what that funds tracker really does.
 
You are right that masculinity plays a huge role in the whole story. It is a social dynamic, not a genetic program , though.

It is a conflict between men and different masculinities on all sides. SC is a western, white, male fantasy where you can act out your scifi-dudeness with heavy gear, nice looking ships and big guns. The gameplay is all about stereotypically male dominated activities etc. The devs are mostly men too, especially the top-guys who are in charge while Sandi Gardiner (the only woman in this project in a higher position) is kind of the attractive hostess presenting the game in public. It is a very stereotypical, male-dominated world where dudes rule and women play no important roles at all (which is even mirrored by the fact that there is no female avatar).

On the other side you have groups like the goons and guys like dr. derek smart. The critics of SC seem to be heavily male dominated too. The whole conflict is a conflict between men. In these cases it is quite typical that 'male honor' comes into play, nobody wants to be the fool and lose their face, but especially in this setting where the ideological groundwork idealizes strong, committed men, it is impossible for many of these guys on either side to admit that they were wrong, or that they don't know (so all sides come up with vague explanations that carry no information besides confirming the position of the speaker). So you have these endless, toxic fights in online-forums that don't produce anything constructive, instead the focus is on degrading the male opponent and leaving the battlefield as the triumphant hero.

What's exactly your issue with men?
 
You are right that masculinity plays a huge role in the whole story. It is a social dynamic, not a genetic program , though.

It is a conflict between men and different masculinities on all sides. SC is a western, white, male fantasy where you can act out your scifi-dudeness with heavy gear, nice looking ships and big guns. The gameplay is all about stereotypically male dominated activities etc. The devs are mostly men too, especially the top-guys who are in charge while Sandi Gardiner (the only woman in this project in a higher position) is kind of the attractive hostess presenting the game in public. It is a very stereotypical, male-dominated world where dudes rule and women play no important roles at all (which is even mirrored by the fact that there is no female avatar).

On the other side you have groups like the goons and guys like dr. derek smart. The critics of SC seem to be heavily male dominated too. The whole conflict is a conflict between men. In these cases it is quite typical that 'male honor' comes into play, nobody wants to be the fool and lose their face, but especially in this setting where the ideological groundwork idealizes strong, committed men, it is impossible for many of these guys on either side to admit that they were wrong, or that they don't know (so all sides come up with vague explanations that carry no information besides confirming the position of the speaker). So you have these endless, toxic fights in online-forums that don't produce anything constructive, instead the focus is on degrading the male opponent and leaving the battlefield as the triumphant hero.

Repped. :D
 
My reaction to this thread right now:
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Curious to know why you feel the need to answer for Britney
More toxic masculinity?

No? I was commenting, just as Neo-ST was.

e: I didn't see any criticism in Britney's remarks, but Neo-ST seemed to interpret that there was. I disagree with him. I can't speak for Adept.
 
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well truth be told she does come across a little strong not hesitating to generalize males regardless of individual behaviour. I had the same thought as Neo when I read her last post simply because I saw no appearant trigger for such a post anywhere. Discussing male-female dynamics (regardless if they are true or false) are as off-topic as it gets in this thread and as far as I m concerned....not important to the dicussion at all. If she feels the "urge" or "need" to bring it up there must be a reason for it. Thats how I took Neo-STs question.

I expect the mods going through the last 2 pages with hammers swinging soon :)
 
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